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Title: will we be better than last year
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 21, 2011, 06:15:14 PM: i don't care about the schedule. it's overblown that it will be that much more difficult.

we will we better. (that's a question)

and give some reasons.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: sys on April 21, 2011, 06:17:59 PM: no. because of yin-yang w. bball.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: wetwillie on April 21, 2011, 06:18:23 PM: This years team would beat last years team, this years team will finish with a worse record than last years team.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 21, 2011, 06:20:07 PM: Quote from: wetwillie on April 21, 2011, 06:18:23 PM
This years team would beat last years team, this years team will finish with a worse record than last years team.

UGGH! I cannot stand this logic. If we are better, we will have a better record. If we don't both teams are a wash. F*ck.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 21, 2011, 06:25:12 PM: Quote from: wetwillie on April 21, 2011, 06:18:23 PM
This years team would beat last years team, this years team will finish with a worse record than last years team.

100% agree (Sorry fatty).
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Pete on April 21, 2011, 07:15:05 PM: Quote from: wetwillie on April 21, 2011, 06:18:23 PM
This years team would beat last years team, this years team will finish with a worse record than last years team.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: O-town Kat on April 21, 2011, 07:23:36 PM: 6-6 and just plain not good enough to compete in the upper 1/2 of this league
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 21, 2011, 08:34:19 PM: We Must Break this league.
say it in a Dolph Lundgren accent for fun.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM: oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 21, 2011, 09:23:37 PM: BETTER

with a better record

eff anyone who says otherwise
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Rams on April 21, 2011, 09:37:16 PM: Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB

WTF? You're kidding right? :facepalm:
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: catzacker on April 21, 2011, 09:45:32 PM: better

Offense: The Dick will work wonders on our OL. More explosive at the RB position. WR will be better. QB will be more athletic/better.

Defense: A. Brown. More athletic. A. Brown. can't be as bad as last year? A. Brown.

schedule: good home conf schedule - should get 4 home wins, could sneak up and get 2 roadies.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 21, 2011, 10:20:24 PM: Quote from: catzacker on April 21, 2011, 09:45:32 PM
better

Offense: The Dick will work wonders on our OL. More explosive at the RB position. WR will be better. QB will be more athletic/better.

Defense: A. Brown. More athletic. A. Brown. can't be as bad as last year? A. Brown.

schedule: good home conf schedule - should get 4 home wins, could sneak up and get 2 roadies.

what's your take on overall w/l?

i mean, a better defense w/ all the wr's back and a better rb coupled w/ a more athletic/better qb should produce more wins. couple all this with the fact that we don't have to play central florida (top 25 non con team we played last year) and wow. should be nine wins or so. no?
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 10:36:55 PM: Quote from: Rams on April 21, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB

WTF? You're kidding right? :facepalm:

I hope I'm wrong. Obviously we have more big play ability w/ Bryce both as a long ball threat running and as a receiver. But that doesn't necessarily make him a better back than Thomas as of this moment. Thomas will likely go in the 2nd rd of the drat. He's a proven commodity w/ durability. And Powell was an awfully solid 2nd option.

Bryce has a lot of talent and there is a reason he was the #1 recruit in the nation. To be honest, he's more of a 3 down back than Thomas given his ability as a receiver. But Thomas was such a reliable carrier of the mail.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 21, 2011, 10:52:32 PM: Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Rams on April 21, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB

WTF? You're kidding right? :facepalm:
And Powell was an awfully solid 2nd option.\

you do realize that powell did not play in over 40% of the games last year and had less then 25 carries total don't you? dear god. how can i even take you seriously? :flush:
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Rams on April 21, 2011, 11:02:50 PM: Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Rams on April 21, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB

WTF? You're kidding right? :facepalm:

I hope I'm wrong. Obviously we have more big play ability w/ Bryce both as a long ball threat running and as a receiver. But that doesn't necessarily make him a better back than Thomas as of this moment. Thomas will likely go in the 2nd rd of the drat. He's a proven commodity w/ durability. And Powell was an awfully solid 2nd option.

Bryce has a lot of talent and there is a reason he was the #1 recruit in the nation. To be honest, he's more of a 3 down back than Thomas given his ability as a receiver. But Thomas was such a reliable carrier of the mail.

So you're saying that just because DT was pretty good and reliable, we won't be as good? That's the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) argument I've ever heard. If you're saying we're going to be worse, you need to make the argument that you think Bryce won't be as productive, explosive, or reliable as DT was...and there is absolutely no evidence that would back that assumption up. Go to Rivals and search their entire recruiting database for the #1 RB recruit in each class. The list speaks for itself. Oh, and the last RB that was the #1 overall recruit in his class was named Adrian Peterson.

Also, our backups this year will be better than Powell.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: DoDRepeat on April 22, 2011, 01:12:54 AM: Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Rams on April 21, 2011, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Manhatter on April 21, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
oh fatty, I do believe we'll be better BUT we may very well have fewer wins.

First look at ourselves....units where we should be better
wide receiver
TE
DE
LB
CB

units where we might be the same...could be worse or better
QB
Safety
DT

units where we will be worse

OL
RB

WTF? You're kidding right? :facepalm:

I hope I'm wrong. Obviously we have more big play ability w/ Bryce both as a long ball threat running and as a receiver. But that doesn't necessarily make him a better back than Thomas as of this moment. Thomas will likely go in the 2nd rd of the drat. He's a proven commodity w/ durability. And Powell was an awfully solid 2nd option.

Bryce has a lot of talent and there is a reason he was the #1 recruit in the nation. To be honest, he's more of a 3 down back than Thomas given his ability as a receiver. But Thomas was such a reliable carrier of the mail.

Let's put it this way. Daniel Thomas = good vision and good durability. Not a power back. Not a speed back. Bryce Brown = More physical runner, faster. The vision/intangibles and durability we won't know, but we could certainly improve at running back. He won't get as many carries because there are better options around him.. (hopefully)

Also, if we are worse at qb than we were last year than a bowl is out of the question. Just saying.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 22, 2011, 03:01:04 AM: I agree, the QB question is still up for grabs and that is probably the difference between us being a solid bowl-bound team and just a probably bowl-bound team, but I just don't see our D being worse (With Arthur Brown back there) and our running game. Bryce is a rough ridin' stud, he will carry this team just like DT did, but with a better defense behind him.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: catzacker on April 22, 2011, 07:15:03 AM: Quote from: Rick Daris on April 21, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Quote from: catzacker on April 21, 2011, 09:45:32 PM
better

Offense: The Dick will work wonders on our OL. More explosive at the RB position. WR will be better. QB will be more athletic/better.

Defense: A. Brown. More athletic. A. Brown. can't be as bad as last year? A. Brown.

schedule: good home conf schedule - should get 4 home wins, could sneak up and get 2 roadies.

what's your take on overall w/l?

i mean, a better defense w/ all the wr's back and a better rb coupled w/ a more athletic/better qb should produce more wins. couple all this with the fact that we don't have to play central florida (top 25 non con team we played last year) and wow. should be nine wins or so. no?

You forgot coached by a legend. 8 or 9.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 22, 2011, 07:32:00 AM: bryce probably won't be as good because our o-line isn't as good this year.
he may have better ypc #s but thats only because he won't get as many touches as dt.
also DT was the best defensive formation we ran last season, bryce isn't built to carry the load like thomas.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2011, 07:34:49 AM: worse with worse record
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kso_FAN on April 22, 2011, 07:38:53 AM: IF Oline and Dline comes around, better. IF.

If everyone stays healthy we have more playmakers on both sides of the ball. IMHO.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 22, 2011, 08:00:23 AM: we were 3-5 last year. A better team will finish with a better record. The "better team worse record" mantra is a cop-out.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: michigancat on April 22, 2011, 08:02:38 AM: Quote from: fatty fat fat on April 22, 2011, 08:00:23 AM
we were 3-5 last year. A better team will finish with a better record. The "better team worse record" mantra is a cop-out.

agree 100%, fats
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Cire on April 22, 2011, 08:05:03 AM: No way in effing hell we are better at qb.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: The Manhatter on April 22, 2011, 10:46:03 AM: Quote from: Rams on April 21, 2011, 11:02:50 PM
So you're saying that just because DT was pretty good and reliable, we won't be as good? That's the most respected argument I've ever heard. If you're saying we're going to be worse, you need to make the argument that you think Bryce won't be as productive, explosive, or reliable as DT was...and there is absolutely no evidence that would back that assumption up. Go to Rivals and search their entire recruiting database for the #1 RB recruit in each class. The list speaks for itself. Oh, and the last RB that was the #1 overall recruit in his class was named Adrian Peterson.

Also, our backups this year will be better than Powell.

I don't need to search the entire database to know that Darrell Scott was the #1 RB recruit in the '08 class. How did he turn out?

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong. Bryce is very talented but you are going off of potential. While I certainly recognize Bryce's potential it is just that until he proves it. It is speculation to automatically say, right now, that he is better than our 6-0 230lb 2nd round back of the past two years. People seem to lose their head about Daniel when talking up Bryce. Bryce isn't Adrian Peterson. He doesn't have Adrian's sudden elusiviness for a big back. Thomas could make people miss in the hole and was brilliant on cut backs across the line to find the running lane. That is a talent proven by Daniel. You're not suggesting anything new to anyone when you keep pounding on me w/ the fact that Bryce is more explosive than Daniel. I think we all know that...so was Frank Murphy.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:19:19 AM: Are you guys forgetting about Robinson? He's a stud RB too! We will be fine at RB, QB is the biggest issue. If Tuggle can somehow be accurate on short to mid passes, and every once in a while throw deep, we will be better than last year. There are a LOT of play makers on this team! And yeah...health will be the biggest issue, IMO.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:40:32 AM: QB - same? hard to say
RB - better. d. thomas last season was not d thomas the year before. synds wore him down.
WR - better with same guys healthy
TE - did you tannahill's earth day post? ugh
OL - worse. no idea who these guys are. who are you guys?

DL - hopefully better. remember that one time when we thought brandon harold was good? wow
LB - better, can't be worse. is arty great? need hrebs healthy
DB - same? who are our CBs? I have no idea

ST - Sean Synds

tough schedule. hopefully win 7,
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Kat Kid on April 22, 2011, 11:41:11 AM: Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:19:19 AM
Are you guys forgetting about Robinson? He's a stud RB too! We will be fine at RB, QB is the biggest issue. If Tuggle can somehow be accurate on short to mid passes, and every once in a while throw deep, we will be better than last year. There are a LOT of play makers on this team! And yeah...health will be the biggest issue, IMO.

Yes. This whole season will be incredibly forgettable.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:51:54 AM: Quote from: Tortuga on April 22, 2011, 11:41:11 AM
Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:19:19 AM
Are you guys forgetting about Robinson? He's a stud RB too! We will be fine at RB, QB is the biggest issue. If Tuggle can somehow be accurate on short to mid passes, and every once in a while throw deep, we will be better than last year. There are a LOT of play makers on this team! And yeah...health will be the biggest issue, IMO.

Yes. This whole season will be incredibly forgettable.

You're probably right, but what's the point of even talking about the season if you can't be optimistic about it.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM: does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:59:12 AM: Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.

He may...didn't he break Bryce Brown's rushing record?
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:04:25 PM: Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.

He may...didn't he break Bryce Brown's rushing record?

in highschool?
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 12:14:18 PM: Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.

He may...didn't he break Bryce Brown's rushing record?

in highschool?

Oops, I was mistaken. Brown has the record at 1,873 yards. Robinson rushed for 1,720 his senior year, but If I remember right he had a chance to break it in the state playoffs, but didn't play a couple games because he was injured.

Number 18 RB in the nation... can't suck that bad, right?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robinson_demarcus00.html
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:21:56 PM: Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.

He may...didn't he break Bryce Brown's rushing record?

in highschool?

Oops, I was mistaken. Brown has the record at 1,873 yards. Robinson rushed for 1,720 his senior year, but If I remember right he had a chance to break it in the state playoffs, but didn't play a couple games because he was injured.

Number 18 RB in the nation... can't suck that bad, right?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robinson_demarcus00.html

i don't normally take ks high school rushing yards into my evaluation of players
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kso_FAN on April 22, 2011, 02:36:29 PM: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Coming-Attractions-Bryce-Brown-Kansas-State-8?urn=ncaaf-wp915
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: kougar24 on April 22, 2011, 02:51:50 PM: Is OB still our coach?
Is Cosh still our coach?
Is sonofoldballz suddenly on the official coach roster?
Is grandsonofoldballz still on scholarship?

Then who gives a cac. :frown:
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on April 22, 2011, 03:36:27 PM: Guys I'm going to go ahead and say it. We will be better than last year. We will be better on Defense much much better almost as good as a pretty good high school team (up from a mediocre junior high team). Offense if healthy will also be better if only slightly. So yes we will be better than last year.
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: DoDRepeat on April 22, 2011, 05:17:16 PM: Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:21:56 PM
Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: kstate4life on April 22, 2011, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 22, 2011, 11:55:44 AM
does robinson suck? seems like he may. sad.

He may...didn't he break Bryce Brown's rushing record?

in highschool?

Oops, I was mistaken. Brown has the record at 1,873 yards. Robinson rushed for 1,720 his senior year, but If I remember right he had a chance to break it in the state playoffs, but didn't play a couple games because he was injured.

Number 18 RB in the nation... can't suck that bad, right?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robinson_demarcus00.html

i don't normally take ks high school rushing yards into my evaluation of players

They can be misleading.. Some of the other previous RB's to have record rushing seasons: Darren Sproles, Paul O'Neil
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: MobDeep on April 23, 2011, 02:17:25 AM: Bryce and Dmac are lazy pieces of crap that are really good at playing football when they decide that they want to be...

Hubert is solid, Ryan Smith and Robert Rose have the ability but lack the size to be consistent contributors/2nd/3rd options
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Winters on April 25, 2011, 09:38:32 AM: Quote from: MobDeep on April 23, 2011, 02:17:25 AM
Bryce and Dmac are lazy pieces of crap that are really good at playing football when they decide that they want to be...

Hubert is solid, Ryan Smith and Robert Rose have the ability but lack the size to be consistent contributors/2nd/3rd options
Is rose still 5'4?
I think I can high jump that dude :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2011, 09:44:09 AM: QB - Worse
RB - Worse
OL - Worse
WR - Better
FB - Who cares

DL - Better
LB - Better
defensive backs - Worse

I think the team will be just a little bit worse than last year's team, and the record will also be worse. :frown:
Title: Re: will we be better than last year
Post by: CNS on April 25, 2011, 09:48:43 AM: Quote from: Poster formerly known as jthutch on April 22, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
Guys I'm going to go ahead and say it. We will be better than last year. We will be better on Defense much much better almost as good as a pretty good high school team (up from a mediocre junior high team). Offense if healthy will also be better if only slightly. So yes we will be better than last year.

Snyder will have to focus his personal attention on D to make you right. If that happens, what happens to an O that lost it's senior QB, has a brand new OL, and lost it's only RB, with carries last season, to the League? Bill is about to let one ball drop to pick up another one. Prob similar to Bill showering. Either that or we are going to see a whole lot of Meh.