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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: joda on April 04, 2011, 09:28:15 PM
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
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No Hansblow. Jimmer is pretty rough ridin' good and not surrounded by 5 star talent like Hansblow was.
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Crap, forgot Hansbrough for a minute there :facepalm: ok, how about second worst?
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
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Danny Ferry 1989. The End.
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Don't forget about Adam Morrison from Gonzaga, he deserves to be in this conversation
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Eh, I know there have been some questionable ones, maybe a better way have putting it would be a more 1 dimensional player. Maybe I just have a short term memory and a thing against no D guys from 2nd tier conferences.
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
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Hansblow had heart though, and he tried so hard.
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we get it, all of you hate white college basketball players
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
Well when discussing "the worst to win the award" in retrospect don't you have to consider what happened after?
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
Well when discussing "the worst to win the award" in retrospect don't you have to consider what happened after?
I don't know. NBA is such a different game than NCAA.
It's pretty reasonable that a player can be dominate at one and get lost in the other. Given that, I don't think you can consider it.
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we get it, all of you hate white college basketball players
I listed black players so I know you aren't talking to me but I was just wondering what black NPOY candidates would you list as overrated or undeserving winners?
I do find it odd that every time there is a legit white candidate, he seems to win. Actually I don't find it odd at all, good white players are overhyped, that isn't breaking news or anything.
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Jimmer was legit.
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
Well when discussing "the worst to win the award" in retrospect don't you have to consider what happened after?
I don't know. NBA is such a different game than NCAA.
It's pretty reasonable that a player can be dominate at one and get lost in the other. Given that, I don't think you can consider it.
Talent is talent, if a player is benefiting from a coaches system isn't that a bright shining light that they may not be the best player in the country? You know like TT QBs winning the Hypesman. I think it also exposes who may have benefited from being the best player on the best team and who may have benefited from hype from lazy national basketball media who only try to see the best teams.
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
Well when discussing "the worst to win the award" in retrospect don't you have to consider what happened after?
I don't know. NBA is such a different game than NCAA.
It's pretty reasonable that a player can be dominate at one and get lost in the other. Given that, I don't think you can consider it.
Talent is talent, if a player is benefiting from a coaches system isn't that a bright shining light that they may not be the best player in the country? You know like TT QBs winning the Hypesman. I think it also exposes who may have benefited from being the best player on the best team and who may have benefited from hype from lazy national basketball media who only try to see the best teams.
Talent is measured against peers. it's relative. Added size, speed and strength of the Association equalizes.
A guy can easily be the best forward among other 18-22 yr old but hit the Association and all of a sudden be up against a wider age group of taller, stronger, and faster players.
As for lazy voters, I am fully on board with your point on that. I hate how obvious many are as well as the thought of so many careers and future careers being effected by someone who is simply hearing a score and a limited stat line on ESPN, then ranking or voting a certain way based on nothing else. Unfortunately, the system is so large I don't have a better solution.
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we get it, all of you hate white college basketball players
I listed black players so I know you aren't talking to me but I was just wondering what black NPOY candidates would you list as overrated or undeserving winners?
I do find it odd that every time there is a legit white candidate, he seems to win. Actually I don't find it odd at all, good white players are overhyped, that isn't breaking news or anything.
looking over the naismith wiki, the only black winner that jumps out as not belonging is the L Train, Lionel Simmons from LaSalle in 1990. I remember a lot of "Big 5 tradition!“ talk from old balls east coast media types
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we get it, all of you hate white college basketball players
I listed black players so I know you aren't talking to me but I was just wondering what black NPOY candidates would you list as overrated or undeserving winners?
I do find it odd that every time there is a legit white candidate, he seems to win. Actually I don't find it odd at all, good white players are overhyped, that isn't breaking news or anything.
looking over the naismith wiki, the only black winner that jumps out as not belonging is the L Train, Lionel Simmons from LaSalle in 1990. I remember a lot of "Big 5 tradition!“ talk from old balls east coast media types
Simmons is third in all-time NCAA career points with 3,217 and trails only Pete Maravich and Freeman Williams. Simmons became the only player in NCAA history to score more than 3,000 points and pull down more than 1,100 rebounds.[3] He holds the NCAA Basketball record for most consecutive games scoring in double figures with 115
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Yeah, he was about the worst black winner, imo. I am kind of a mid major hater on these awards
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I don't know....Reddick had some pretty ridic stats on a pretty ridic talented team as far as college ball goes.
What happens after the award is irrelevant.
Well when discussing "the worst to win the award" in retrospect don't you have to consider what happened after?
I don't know. NBA is such a different game than NCAA.
It's pretty reasonable that a player can be dominate at one and get lost in the other. Given that, I don't think you can consider it.
And the BCS conferences play a different game than the Mountain West. Pullen put clown shoes on Jimmer last year. Florida did the same this year.
In his wildest dreams, Jimmer is hoping for a J.J. Redick-type NBA career. But J.J. is two inches taller and a better ball handler. Neither one plays much defense.
Would not be surprised if Jimmer goes undrafted.
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No Hansblow. Jimmer is pretty rough ridin' good and not surrounded by 5 star talent like Hansblow was.
Most impressive thing about Jimmer is his hair is identical to Gumble's.
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
There was a pretty interesting article on Battier a while back: The No-Stats All-Star (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?_r=1)
Here we have a basketball mystery: a player is widely regarded inside the N.B.A. as, at best, a replaceable cog in a machine driven by superstars. And yet every team he has ever played on has acquired some magical ability to win.
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
JJ Reddick had a really good year.
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
JJ Reddick had a really good year.
He had a great year, but the only reason he beat Adam Morrison and Randy Foye is because he played for Duke
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
JJ Reddick had a really good year.
He had a great year, but the only reason he beat Adam Morrison and Randy Foye is because he played for Duke
I was a big Morrison fan that year. :frown:
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I think jimmer is pretty good fellas
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
JJ Reddick had a really good year.
He had a great year, but the only reason he beat Adam Morrison and Randy Foye is because he played for Duke
Nope, it was because Morrison had a hideous mustache.
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Tired of :ohno: over frank so my question is this, is Jimmer the worst NPOY ever?
Not even close
J.J Reddick immediately comes to mind. If you want to bring what happened after they won into the conversation then T.J Ford and Jason Williams jump into the conversation. Hell you can make a case that every Duke player that has won the Naismith with the exception of Laettner won it based on the best player on the best team principal: Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Williams, & Reddick.
JJ Reddick had a really good year.
He had a great year, but the only reason he beat Adam Morrison and Randy Foye is because he played for Duke
Nope, it was because Morrison had a hideous mustache.
Foye was amazing that year.
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Hansbrough in 2008 really bugs me. He didn't have the best stat line, unlike mid-major winners. (You can defend Adam Morrison, Lionel Simmons or Jimmer with their ppg.) Everyone acknowledged in advance that Hansbrough wouldn't do well in the NBA, unlike some of the major college winners with lesser stats but obvious talent. (Antawn Jamison.) His team made it to the Final Four that year, but he wasn't even the best among the regional MOPs that year: Derrick Rose, Kevin Love, Stephen Curry & Hansbrough -- so not even "the best player on the best team" (or one of the best teams).
Maybe I'm just being a Beasley homer, but Hansbrough was a REAL reach.