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in his first four years in conference play.
I guess I just don't see how a coach w/that kind of track record falls to something like 6-10 (or 7-11 now).
decent (cal)-train of thought?
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Jake
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Well, how would you compare next yrs group to the 9-7 team?
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Jake
one play....four seasons? maybe, but i don't see it.
frank has just been too impressive his first four years for us to really dip next year.
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Frank's teams play good defense and rebound well. That boat will carry you across some pretty rough waters when necessary.
Manhattan will continue to be a tough place to play. Even during our disappointing season, we only lost one home game.
I think some people are overboard in their pessimism. I don't think they're going to compete for a Big 12 title by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think they'll be better than most people think.
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Jake
one play....four seasons? maybe, but i don't see it.
frank has just been too impressive his first four years for us to really dip next year.
FFF, don't get me wrong. I am a Frankite and don't believe that Jake was the only thing that KSU had going for us. Just sad more than anything.
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Well, how would you compare next yrs group to the 9-7 team?
Favorably.
The best post on the 08-09 team was Kent. We had Pullen and Clemente, sure, but Pullen wasn't nearly the player he is now, and Dennis wasn't either. They both really refined their game and their chemistry for that senior season.
The overall level of talent is better for next year (presumably).
We'll be fine.
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every team has been very different, too. frank is balls.
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Well, how would you compare next yrs group to the 9-7 team?
I think the comparison is favorable. There will be a detailed comparison of the personnel from the two teams coming this week. The key is finding the next Clemente/Jacob type leader that is fully bought in; seems pretty clear Frank is grooming Sprads to be that guy.
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Dont' forget that next year we replace 4 games against Colorado and Nebraska (4-0, 3-1, 4-0, 2-2) with 6 games against Texas, Texas A&M, Okie St, OU, Baylor, and Billy Gillespie.
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Dont' forget that next year we replace 4 games against Colorado and Nebraska (4-0, 3-1, 4-0, 2-2) with 6 games against Texas, Texas A&M, Okie St, OU, Baylor, and Billy Gillespie.
this is extremely irrelevant.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
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Dont' forget that next year we replace 4 games against Colorado and Nebraska (4-0, 3-1, 4-0, 2-2) with 6 games against Texas, Texas A&M, Okie St, OU, Baylor, and Billy Gillespie.
this is extremely irrelevant.
Unless you're trying to compare records.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
From what I've read about Angel, I think it's him. But he won't be able to do it this year, maybe not even next year.
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we failed to replace clemente this year and were fine. frank's teams are not simply reincarnations of his previous teams.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
From what I've read about Angel, I think it's him. But he won't be able to do it this year, maybe not even next year.
Perhaps its Angel, but I'm not sure we'll see it from a freshman.
I'm not saying Sprads will be as good a player as Pullen/Clemente, but that Frank's MO is to groom someone to be a leader, and he's handled Spradling that way. He's also done it a bit with McGruder, so it could be one of those two.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
From what I've read about Angel, I think it's him. But he won't be able to do it this year, maybe not even next year.
Perhaps its Angel, but I'm not sure we'll see it from a freshman.
I'm not saying Sprads will be as good a player as Pullen/Clemente, but that Frank's MO is to groom someone to be a leader, and he's handled Spradling that way. He's also done it a bit with McGruder, so it could be one of those two.
If I'm on a college basketball team, there's no way I'd listen to some kid from JoCo who sounds like he's 14 when he talks.
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Dont' forget that next year we replace 4 games against Colorado and Nebraska (4-0, 3-1, 4-0, 2-2) with 6 games against Texas, Texas A&M, Okie St, OU, Baylor, and Billy Gillespie.
this is extremely irrelevant.
Unless you're trying to compare records.
Throw out the CU/NU games and doubling the South games (3 more home, 3 more away) seems like a fair way to estimate. That gives:
07-08 10-6 --> 9-9
08-09 9-7 --> 9-9
09-10 11-5 --> 12-6
10-11 10-6 --> 12-6
All but this year give a lower win%.
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Interesting tidbit from Meek (http://cjonline.com/sports/2011-03-20/martin-reflects-cats-wild-ride) about re: Frank's leaders.
"I did something this year that I've never done before and probably will never do again,” Martin said. “I kind of called out a couple players publicly when I questioned our team's leadership, because I didn't think that was very good …
“The commitment that (Pullen) made to lead our team, to make those other guys around him better players, the will to win, that's special.”
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
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Dont' forget that next year we replace 4 games against Colorado and Nebraska (4-0, 3-1, 4-0, 2-2) with 6 games against Texas, Texas A&M, Okie St, OU, Baylor, and Billy Gillespie.
this is extremely irrelevant.
Unless you're trying to compare records.
are you saying schedule will be easier or more difficult?
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are you saying schedule will be easier or more difficult?
More difficult, but the numbers I posted showed that was only really the case in 07-08 so I'm probably wrong.
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A worse winning percentage will not mean Frank is doing a worse job is what fats is trying to say:
.500 record in new B12 > .500 record in old B12
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9-9 next year. NCAA bubble team.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
This. It's like when people say McGruds has to step up and be the next Pullen the styles just aren't comparable. I'm sure Frank will have to tweek the offense again to make adjustments for the abilities we will have. Much like the "run and gun" style that Clemente could lead had to be modified once Clemente left.
I just see us with an offense that is more half court based with much more ball movement trying to find the open man.
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Is it an option to have a really balanced team? Having a few guys in the lower double digits. I feel like that's what is going to happen. We know McGrudes can hit the double digit pretty consistently. JamSam could easily become a double digit contributor. JHR has potential. Doc is already pretty close to that point. I see our team being extremely balanced next year, with one or two different guys stepping up every game and hitting the upper double digits to give us the advantage. When those guys aren't able to step up will be our off nights.
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I have no idea what the team's going to look like next year. I have no idea if we'll be running the same offense, what players will transfer in, what players will transfer out, or even who our starting 5 will be outside of Rodney.
I didn't know any of those things in 08 either though, and things worked out alright. Until we actually see the team next year, I'm setting my expectations tentatively at .500 in conference.
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Jake
Denis?
Beasley?
We need to get used to losing good players, because we are going to continue to have good players.
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Jake
Denis?
Beasley?
We need to get used to losing good players, because we are going to continue to have good players.
My point is that Jake was there every one of those seasons. Jake is the constant as much as Frank at this point.
You are correct, though. The system has to be bigger than any one player.
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My predictions. We'll play tough defensive but suck at pressing. We'll rebound well. We'll have drama with fans upset players are sitting. We'll win road games nobody thinks we'll win and lose home games we all put in the win column. We'll get better in February.
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Want to see Jamar start dunkin on bitches again :pray:
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Want to see Jamar start dunkin on bitches again :pray:
Yep, been too long.
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Want to see Jamar start dunkin on bitches again :pray:
Yep, been too long.
Speaking of dunking on bitches, I'm really looking forward to watching "Enrique's" progression. Would be nice if he could develop some post moves to go along with dunking on bitches and swatting bitches shots.
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9-9 next year. NCAA bubble team.
I want to believe that as our program progresses the proposition of being a bubble team is continually becoming more favorable.
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10-8 would be a solid season. Anything less than .500 would be disappointing.
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9-9 next year. NCAA bubble team.
I will likely consider that a success, based on what I think our roster will be.
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9-9 next year. NCAA bubble team.
I will likely consider that a success, based on what I think our roster will be.
All depends on who stays/leaves for other teams too, as well as who gets hired/fired and who just leaves as far as coaching positions go in the league.
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I predict we start out the season getting picked around 6 or 7 in the BXII preseason polls. We have an up and down preaseason, winning most of the games we should, but not by as much as we should, and going about .500 in the games that we're predicted to lose/toss up types. Once BXII play rolls around we lose a couple early games we probably should win, then about February the team really starts to pull together and we pick up a big time upset (KU or UT?) and see the media start to climb back on our nuts due to our all around adorableness. With our surprising 4/5 place finish we become the bubble darling and either sneak into the tourney or are the Colorado of this years tourney.
McGruds starts to become a consistent scorer (ala Jake as a Jr.), JO starts and takes over CK's roll in dominating half the game and dissapearing the other half. Sprads starts at pg and is Bobby Knight's viagra whenever he does our games.
Now my hopes for other players next year. Southwell develops a scoring touch. Gipson comes on strong and ends the season as a 6pt/6reb/1block a game type. Samuels continues to play the Lu role, but scores a little more. Angel shows some handles and plays about 20-25 min/gm not scoring much, but setting up sprads and mcgruds to rain 3's. Nino, 95, Nick?, Diaz, Irving, and Canada all provide solid minutes off the bench.
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What are people expecting out of Nino? Was it really concussion issues that kept him out this year?
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I think you've already seen our team for next year. Any hope that guys who aren't already here are going to help is a dream. We have 2 bigs. That is a big problem, but both are good. We have a lot of quality guards and regardless of what they did against Wisconsin, you can count on them being solid next year. It really sucks, but Jamar and JHR are going to have to scale back their defensive effort to avoid foul trouble. We may have to play zone.
Of the newcomers, Omari is a wildcard. But if Diaz or AR or Gipson were going to be ready to contribute in a big way next year it would be very apparent by now. They would have dominated their state HS tournaments. They may turn into very good players, but I don't expect any of them to contribute even as much as Spradling or Southwell did this year.
Having said that, a lot of good teams have gone far with only two good bigs. The expectation that we would have 4 this year is one of the big reasons we were the preseason #3.
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Rodriquez didn't have a chance to play in his state tournament. Diaz and Gipson didn't play some chump change state where one player can make a difference. Both carried teams in post season. I haven't seen either play but think both will get a chance to contribute.
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Of the newcomers, Omari is a wildcard. But if Diaz or AR or Gipson were going to be ready to contribute in a big way next year it would be very apparent by now. They would have dominated their state HS tournaments. They may turn into very good players, but I don't expect any of them to contribute even as much as Spradling or Southwell did this year.
Why would you not expect them to contribute similarly to Spradling and Southwell? They are all similarly ranked.
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Of the newcomers, Omari is a wildcard. But if Diaz or AR or Gipson were going to be ready to contribute in a big way next year it would be very apparent by now. They would have dominated their state HS tournaments. They may turn into very good players, but I don't expect any of them to contribute even as much as Spradling or Southwell did this year.
Why would you not expect them to contribute similarly to Spradling and Southwell? They are all similarly ranked.
I don't expect AR to contribute because I can't imagine him stepping in his first year and being better than Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
Maybe Diaz or Gipson can give us a Spradling/Southwell type contribution. They will have the chance. I just refuse to get my hopes up.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with your take on Sprads.
I don't want to overvalue a subjective characteristic, I just feel better if Frank has a guy like Clemente/Jake to push/lean on and I think he's grooming Sprads (or McGruds) to be that guy.
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
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To be fair, wasn't Angel ranked something like the 2nd best PG in FL for his class? :dunno:
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
You just compounded your original mistake by bringing Beasley, Walker, and Selby into this mess.
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
You just compounded your original mistake by bringing Beasley, Walker, and Selby into this mess.
elaborate. Please. I don't mind being made a fool.
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So... When is the latest Angel can sign his LOI?
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So... When is the latest Angel can sign his LOI?
Regular signing period is 4/11/2011-5/16/2011
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Need drivers and slashers to set up shooters, will have to be canada, 95, o-money, or a-rod. I would like it to be omari.
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So... When is the latest Angel can sign his LOI?
Regular signing period is 4/11/2011-5/16/2011
Thanks
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
You just compounded your original mistake by bringing Beasley, Walker, and Selby into this mess.
elaborate. Please. I don't mind being made a fool.
You think only a top 5 HS PG could come in and compete for PT next season?
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So... When is the latest Angel can sign his LOI?
Regular signing period is 4/11/2011-5/16/2011
Thanks
I was wrong. It's 4/13/2011 - 5/18/2011. Those were next year's dates.
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
You just compounded your original mistake by bringing Beasley, Walker, and Selby into this mess.
elaborate. Please. I don't mind being made a fool.
You think only a top 5 HS PG could come in and compete for PT next season?
No. I think Angel can compete for PT. But do I think he will be better than what we already have and will get much time? No. If he does earn minutes it will be fantastic.
But I also don't think the freshman version of Jacob Pullen would get much time competing with this group for PT. We have some decent guards. We need bigs.
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Spradling, Canada, or Nick. If he was better than those guys right now he would be a top 5 PG in high school.
:confused: :facepalm:
All of those three would absolutely destroy it if they were still playing high school ball right now.
The point is that nobody like Mike Beasley, Bill Walker, or Josh Selby are going to be walking through our door before next fall. Don't get your hopes up. Our team is already here.
You just compounded your original mistake by bringing Beasley, Walker, and Selby into this mess.
elaborate. Please. I don't mind being made a fool.
You think only a top 5 HS PG could come in and compete for PT next season?
No. I think Angel can compete for PT. But do I think he will be better than what we already have and will get much time? No. If he does earn minutes it will be fantastic.
But I also don't think the freshman version of Jacob Pullen would get much time competing with this group for PT. We have some decent guards. We need bigs.
The funny, sad, unexpected part about this is early in the season I felt like we were heavy on the bigs. Wally not turning out and a stagnating Jamar changes everything. Kudos to JO for improving though. Most improved, IMO.
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I'd like to think that Gipson who had 6 total major conference school offers would be able to come in and do something.
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I'd like to think that Gipson who had 6 total major conference school offers would be able to come in and do something.
Sure. But are you anywhere near as hopeful about his freshman year as you were about Wally or Freddy this year?
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I'd like to think that Gipson who had 6 total major conference school offers would be able to come in and do something.
Sure. But are you anywhere near as hopeful about his freshman year as you were about Wally or Freddy this year?
I'm not... but maybe it works out this time where we are like "oh, they might be alright" and then they turn out to be pretty good. Like the opposite of Freddy and Wally.
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I'd like to think that Gipson who had 6 total major conference school offers would be able to come in and do something.
Sure. But are you anywhere near as hopeful about his freshman year as you were about Wally or Freddy this year?
No, because Wally was a 5 star. Gipson is a 3 star. Obviously I do not have the same expectations. However I do think he will provide better minutes than you are expecting.
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you start with two guys that can hit 40% of 3s on 100 attempts each. or 35% on 200 attempts.
you have to find out who else can score with the defenses spread out to cover those guys, but that's not a bad way to start a team.
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I'd like to think that Gipson who had 6 total major conference school offers would be able to come in and do something.
I think Gipson will struggle a little next year but I think he will also show some positive signs. He's going to be a good player for us down the road imo.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
Being the leader doesn't mean you have to be the best player. It just means you have to command the attention and respect of your teammates. Being a great player helps, but isn't a requirement.
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Next year will be very interesting. I think Kelly was underrated defensively but our post defense should still be good. I like JO a lot. He's actually a lot better at changing shots without making dumb fouls than I could ever imagine he would be. He's got a chance to be a really good player next year. Jamar needs to figure out someway to stay out of foul trouble because our post depth is terrifying. I love the length of Southwell, he can help out somewhat in post defense help and we really need him to make a big time progression to next year because we have a huge need for his skill set.
The question has been and will continue to be point guard. I think frank's found his answer in a rodz but it'll be some sort of combo of him and myles and whoever else for next year. Lack of a dynamic playmaker at the PG spot probably puts a pretty definite ceiling on this team again, although I still think it'll be a better year than most people think. Get a couple difference makers in the '12 class and the season after next could be another big year.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with the first comment, but I disagree with the "leadership" point. I think having a player-leader is important, particularly with Frank's style of coaching. Don't get me wrong, I love Frank and his style, but he rides his players like rented mules and clearly takes less of an "encouragement" approach and more of a "WHAT THE eff ARE YOU THINKING!?!?" approach. Seems like it's important to have a leader amongst the players that can take the former approach and give the guys a "rah-rah" after Frank verbally kicks their ass. I dunno, just seemed like every time they showed the huddles and Frank would implement the "stare TO", it would always be Jake or Clemente before him to give a couple claps and some encouragement that would snap Frank out of it and get them to stop pouting.
I guess it just seems like it would be really rough ridin' hard to take that kind of constant verbal abuse from a coach unless there was a "leader" on the team that everyone respected to balance it out with a different approach.
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Not sure why nobody thinks angel can step in and be that guy next yr. Pitino was after AR hard and said that KSU got a steal landing this guy as he is a under the radar pg. He also said that as soon as AR touches the floor in his eyes will be the best pg in the nation!!
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you start with two guys that can hit 40% of 3s on 100 attempts each. or 35% on 200 attempts.
you have to find out who else can score with the defenses spread out to cover those guys, but that's not a bad way to start a team.
I think people are undervaluing Spradling's role on the team next year. He's going to average at least 10 points a game because he's going to nearly be doubling his three point attempts.
I think McGruder ends up being a 14/6 guy, and Spradling's going to average at least ten points a game. Frank is going to go bomb's away with those guys.
If Samuels and JHR can average at least 10 points a piece per game between them, and we can get at least five points a game from Southwell, That's about 50 points right there a game from your starters. Get a few here and there from AR-T, Gipson, Irving, Russell, Nino, etc., and I think we'll get our points.
If the team can continue to play good defense, that will make you a bubble team right there.
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What are people expecting out of Nino? Was it really concussion issues that kept him out this year?
Didn't we redshirt him.....?
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Pitino was after AR hard and said that KSU got a steal landing this guy as he is a under the radar pg. He also said that as soon as AR touches the floor in his eyes will be the best pg in the nation!!
links.
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http://pul.se/Rodriguez-Will-Visit-Next-Week_College-Basketball-6a5J20t8Naj,l1FaO82XgSqE
this isnt where i read it but it kind of says it I read it about it months ago trying to find that particular article now.
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http://pul.se/Rodriguez-Will-Visit-Next-Week_College-Basketball-6a5J20t8Naj,l1FaO82XgSqE
this isnt where i read it but it kind of says it I read it about it months ago trying to find that particular article now.
That link has quotes from Art discussing what he thinks about his players.
You're definitely new here.
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Well think what ever you want tardo.
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And it says what i said it did it says what he Pitino thinks about Angel that he is quite possible onteh best pg's in the country.
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I spent some time with Rick, and he seems to think Angel is one of the top point guards in the country.” Damn could it get any clearer learn how to read dude.
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Well think what ever you want tardo.
Well played.
I like AR-T. I think he'll be fine. Yes, Louisville offered him. So did NC State and Miami. I think he's a solid pickup.
But let's not go overboard with a quote from Art Alvarez. He's good for a quote, mainly because they're slathered in hyperbole like well cooked ribs are with BBQ sauce, but he's not really a credible source for evaluating talent because he'll always talk up his guys.
Show us the link where Pitino says he'll be one of the best PGs in the nation. I'd love to read it.
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I spent some time with Rick, and he seems to think Angel is one of the top point guards in the country.” Damn could it get any clearer learn how to read dude.
I want it directly from Pitino. I don't want it from Art Alvarez. You can't trust what he tells you about that kind of stuff.
I mean, hey, the NBA is still salivating over Asprilla according to him.
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I'm trying to find it like I said tho i read it months ago but Im digging for it.
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I cant argue with ya over the Alvarez thing Freddy was a joke.
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http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-12-19/recruiting_binds_martin_to_miami
I'm pretty sure this is what I read it its almost at the bottom tho take it for what its worth.
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thanks, tbaird. good info.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with the first comment, but I disagree with the "leadership" point. I think having a player-leader is important, particularly with Frank's style of coaching. Don't get me wrong, I love Frank and his style, but he rides his players like rented mules and clearly takes less of an "encouragement" approach and more of a "WHAT THE eff ARE YOU THINKING!?!?" approach. Seems like it's important to have a leader amongst the players that can take the former approach and give the guys a "rah-rah" after Frank verbally kicks their ass. I dunno, just seemed like every time they showed the huddles and Frank would implement the "stare TO", it would always be Jake or Clemente before him to give a couple claps and some encouragement that would snap Frank out of it and get them to stop pouting.
I guess it just seems like it would be really rough ridin' hard to take that kind of constant verbal abuse from a coach unless there was a "leader" on the team that everyone respected to balance it out with a different approach.
it's not important.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with the first comment, but I disagree with the "leadership" point. I think having a player-leader is important, particularly with Frank's style of coaching. Don't get me wrong, I love Frank and his style, but he rides his players like rented mules and clearly takes less of an "encouragement" approach and more of a "WHAT THE eff ARE YOU THINKING!?!?" approach. Seems like it's important to have a leader amongst the players that can take the former approach and give the guys a "rah-rah" after Frank verbally kicks their ass. I dunno, just seemed like every time they showed the huddles and Frank would implement the "stare TO", it would always be Jake or Clemente before him to give a couple claps and some encouragement that would snap Frank out of it and get them to stop pouting.
I guess it just seems like it would be really rough ridin' hard to take that kind of constant verbal abuse from a coach unless there was a "leader" on the team that everyone respected to balance it out with a different approach.
it's not important.
Care to elaborate? Why teams don't need leaders/ leadership by michigancat....
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
What Frank team didn't have a leader?
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
What Frank team didn't have a leader?
I'm on neither side of this, but just curious who was the leader Franks first year?
Not like Frank had time to designate a "leader" anyway, I'm just curious who you think it would have been.
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
What Frank team didn't have a leader?
I'm on neither side of this, but just curious who was the leader Franks first year?
Not like Frank had time to designate a "leader" anyway, I'm just curious who you think it would have been.
Hoskins
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
What Frank team didn't have a leader?
this one?
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with the first comment, but I disagree with the "leadership" point. I think having a player-leader is important, particularly with Frank's style of coaching. Don't get me wrong, I love Frank and his style, but he rides his players like rented mules and clearly takes less of an "encouragement" approach and more of a "WHAT THE eff ARE YOU THINKING!?!?" approach. Seems like it's important to have a leader amongst the players that can take the former approach and give the guys a "rah-rah" after Frank verbally kicks their ass. I dunno, just seemed like every time they showed the huddles and Frank would implement the "stare TO", it would always be Jake or Clemente before him to give a couple claps and some encouragement that would snap Frank out of it and get them to stop pouting.
I guess it just seems like it would be really rough ridin' hard to take that kind of constant verbal abuse from a coach unless there was a "leader" on the team that everyone respected to balance it out with a different approach.
it's not important.
Care to elaborate? Why teams don't need leaders/ leadership by michigancat....
It's just bullshit sportswriters and dumbasses on message boards like to talk about.
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Sprads is a nice complimentary point guard, but I think we've seen enough to know he's not Pullen or Clemente. We need either a top flight transfer or Angel to be the guy to fill that role for us, because I don't see it on the roster. That's not to say it won't happen, because if one thing has been consistent is that Frank finds a way to address needs.
He's not Pullen or Clemente, but I think he can put up numbers similar to Pullen's sophomore season next year. He just won't get them the same way Pullen did, just like Pullen didn't put up numbers the same way Clemente did. chum has a great point - every FM team has been wildly different, but have all been pretty successful.
I could not care less about "leadership".
I agree with the first comment, but I disagree with the "leadership" point. I think having a player-leader is important, particularly with Frank's style of coaching. Don't get me wrong, I love Frank and his style, but he rides his players like rented mules and clearly takes less of an "encouragement" approach and more of a "WHAT THE eff ARE YOU THINKING!?!?" approach. Seems like it's important to have a leader amongst the players that can take the former approach and give the guys a "rah-rah" after Frank verbally kicks their ass. I dunno, just seemed like every time they showed the huddles and Frank would implement the "stare TO", it would always be Jake or Clemente before him to give a couple claps and some encouragement that would snap Frank out of it and get them to stop pouting.
I guess it just seems like it would be really rough ridin' hard to take that kind of constant verbal abuse from a coach unless there was a "leader" on the team that everyone respected to balance it out with a different approach.
it's not important.
Care to elaborate? Why teams don't need leaders/ leadership by michigancat....
It's just bullshit sportswriters and dumbasses on message boards like to talk about.
coaches are dumbasses
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGvQzDzq9lo
This seems to be the only video i can find on youtube of AR was just wanting to see how good he really looked live know where anymore are? or where there is a video on Adrian Diaz would like to this big man in action too...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGvQzDzq9lo
This seems to be the only video i can find on youtube of AR was just wanting to see how good he really looked live know where anymore are? or where there is a video on Adrian Diaz would like to this big man in action too...
thanks. great link. you don't use a lot of periods. it's an interesting style. welcome.
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it's not important.
We've had Frank teams without them, so I agree with you. But It seems like Frank has tried to develop/designate a "player leader" if he can.
What Frank team didn't have a leader?
I'm on neither side of this, but just curious who was the leader Franks first year?
Not like Frank had time to designate a "leader" anyway, I'm just curious who you think it would have been.
It was Walker.