Looking at the fact that we already went through our tough stretch of conference play, I have hope of finishing 4th.
Please kill my hope, _FAN. Please.
Looking at the fact that we already went through our tough stretch of conference play, I have hope of finishing 4th.
Please kill my hope, _FAN. Please.
OSU and aTm already beat us, so they own tiebreakers. We still have to go to CU and if they sweep, they own us.
How's that?
Don't care about tiebreakers. We just need to get in the tourney. 8-8 would probably do it. Lose to Texas and KU and one other. Any more hiccups than that and it's iffy.
Might need 8-8 and a win in the conference tourney if we don't get a bye. 9-7 would be a lock to get in.
Don't care about tiebreakers. We just need to get in the tourney. 8-8 would probably do it. Lose to Texas and KU and one other. Any more hiccups than that and it's iffy.
Might need 8-8 and a win in the conference tourney if we don't get a bye. 9-7 would be a lock to get in.
True. I usually combine league record and whatever happens in the league tournament. 8 total conference wins (lose 1st game in conference tournament) would be iffy, but our OOC and mostly "good losses" may do it. 9 total wins would be in pretty good shape. 10 would be a lock.
hahah, the team that lost to Chaminade is tied for 3rd in the conference.
You guys are letting this win give you false hope. Stop it.
You guys are letting this win give you false hope. Stop it.whatever dork
You guys are letting this win give you false hope. Stop it.whatever dork
:rolleyes:You guys are letting this win give you false hope. Stop it.whatever dork
You like me, admit it in public chingon.
:rolleyes:You guys are letting this win give you false hope. Stop it.whatever dork
You like me, admit it in public chingon.
hahah, the team that lost to Chaminade is tied for 3rd in the conference.
I think we might be punished for going from #3 to oblivion and fracking up ESPN's schedule with crappy games.
Update on the nutty league:
Big 12 Conference StandingsTEAM CONF W-L TOTAL W-L
#3 Texas 7-0 19-3
#2 Kansas 6-1 21-1
Baylor 5-4 15-7
#16 Texas A&M 4-4 17-5
Oklahoma 4-4 12-10
Colorado 4-4 15-8
Oklahoma State 4-5 16-7
Kansas State 4-5 16-8
#15 Missouri 3-4 17-5
Nebraska 3-4 15-6
Texas Tech 3-5 11-12
Iowa State 1-8 14-10
Nice to know we have a week to prepare for what will be bit of a "revenge/ retribution" type game. Winning the way we did today should help the cause.
Nice to know we have a week to prepare for what will be bit of a "revenge/ retribution" type game. Winning the way we did today should help the cause.
True, and I'm guessing CU may be 5-5 when we play them. Not sure who to pull for in their midweek game vs aTm (in Boulder).
really looks like an 8-8 team will get a bye
Not sure who to pull for in their midweek game vs aTm (in Boulder).
i'm surprised by how much separation there is between mu and the pack.
i'm surprised by how much separation there is between mu and the pack.
Home blowouts and close road losses (besides UT).
i'm surprised by how much separation there is between mu and the pack.
Home blowouts and close road losses (besides UT).
yeah. just took a look at their schedule. there isn't a real noticeable first half/second half split. they had roads vs ut and a&m in the first, but both ku games in the second. also still have roads vs kstate and nu plus bu at home. kenpom's 9-7 predict looks fair.
8-8 is more likely than 10-6 looking at their schedule.
I just can't figure out Baylor.
I just can't figure out Baylor.they are poorly coached team who played garbage competition in the non-con only to be lured into a false sense of confidence beating up scrub teams. conference season came and bitch slapped them in the face with a sink and now they're trying to catch up.
Errrr.... don't speak too soon about Baylor/UT. We really need Baylor to lose this.
UT finished with 37 FTAs and BU had 8.
BU had a 110% FT rate game and a 12.3% FT rate game in the same week. Crazy.
We create more turnovers than MU. :surprised:
We create more turnovers than MU. :surprised:
Yeah. MU needs to change their slogan. Maybe "40 minutes of pretty efficient offense with some average defense mixed in at a high pace".
Imagine our offense if we didn't offensive rebound. I'm thining Manley may have come up with his PPP system just to make K-State look worse.
good shot at finishing 6th and possibly 5th if MU collapses.Need Colorado to choke. We still have one with Mizzou and they still have 2 other road games and they suck dick on the road. Baylor is key as they still have @MU, UT and A&M, and we have the tiebreaker.
My guess:
1. Texas (16 - 0)
2. Kansas (14 - 2)
3. Texas A&M (10 - 6)
4. Kansas State (8 - 8) Defeated Missouri based on record against #1 North Division teams.
5. Missouri (8 - 8) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #1 North Division teams.
6. Baylor (7 - 9) Defeated Oklahoma State based on South Division record.
7. Oklahoma State (7 - 9) Lost to Baylor based on South Division record.
8. Oklahoma (6 - 10) Defeated Colorado based on head-to-head record.
9. Colorado (6 - 10) Defeated Nebraska based on North Division record. Lost to Oklahoma based on head-to-head record.
10. Nebraska (6 - 10) Lost to Colorado based on North Division record.
11. Texas Tech (5 - 11)
12. Iowa State (3 - 13)
My guess:
1. Texas (16 - 0)
2. Kansas (14 - 2)
3. Texas A&M (10 - 6)
4. Kansas State (8 - 8) Defeated Missouri based on record against #1 North Division teams.
5. Missouri (8 - 8) Lost to Kansas State based on record against #1 North Division teams.
6. Baylor (7 - 9) Defeated Oklahoma State based on South Division record.
7. Oklahoma State (7 - 9) Lost to Baylor based on South Division record.
8. Oklahoma (6 - 10) Defeated Colorado based on head-to-head record.
9. Colorado (6 - 10) Defeated Nebraska based on North Division record. Lost to Oklahoma based on head-to-head record.
10. Nebraska (6 - 10) Lost to Colorado based on North Division record.
11. Texas Tech (5 - 11)
12. Iowa State (3 - 13)
:surprised:
home wins in most cases, seemed safe. :ck:
I think there is a good chance...
And I'm being cautious with my post-KU elation. I'm hopeful for 9-7, but I could see another loss besides @UT, likely @NU, maybe MU at home, but not both. 9-7 would almost be a lock for the 4 seed IMO. aTm definitely has the inside track for the 3.
home wins in most cases, seemed safe. :ck:
you're predicting a really nice little late season collapse for baylor. also going one under the kenpom on mu, which presumably isn't coming at the hands of baylor.
Baylor's last four are tough, I'm giving then credit to win one.
Baylor's last four are tough, I'm giving then credit to win one.
assuming they beat tech at home, one win out of their last four would have them at 8-8.
Guess I have aTm the nod, that should probably be switched.
MU has a real chance to close out 1-3 tghis is good
Travis Ford can't win without James Anderson.
Travis Ford can't win without James Anderson.
Kinda like Jeff Capel and Blake Griffin?
Things are starting to shake out in the league, K-State's defense moving up has made a huge difference in the season.
aTm - @BU, @KU, TT
MU - @KSU, @NU, KU
NU - @ISU, MU, @CU
BU - aTm, @OSU, UT
CU - UT, @ISU, NU
If both MU and KSU finish at 9-7 with no one else, who gets the 4 seed?
If both MU and KSU finish at 9-7 with no one else, who gets the 4 seed?
Assuming we beat MU and they lose to KU at home, we'll be #4 based on our record against the #1 North Division team.
If both MU and KSU finish at 9-7 with no one else, who gets the 4 seed?
Assuming we beat MU and they lose to KU at home, we'll be #4 based on our record against the #1 North Division team.
there are more factors than that. MIR breakdown of tiebreaker: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=11042.msg241257#msg241257
kkwhb kevin kietzman
If ksu beats mu, cats hold 9-7 tiebreakers. MU holds 10-6 tiebreaker. These are for 4th seed in 2 team ties.
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I'm skeptical about Missouri or K-State doing much in the NCAA tournament this year, given that their efficiency levels drop off a cliff once they leave home.
QuoteI'm skeptical about Missouri or K-State doing much in the NCAA tournament this year, given that their efficiency levels drop off a cliff once they leave home.
:frown:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/02/24/power.rankings/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
Things are starting to shake out in the league, K-State's defense moving up has made a huge difference in the season.
aTm - @BU, @KU, TT
MU - @KSU, @NU, KU
NU - @ISU, MU, @CU
BU - aTm, @OSU, UT
CU - UT, @ISU, NU
Good stuff from Winn...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fsi%2F.element%2Fimg%2F4.0%2Fglobal%2Fswapper%2F201102%2F110224.09.jpg&hash=46f6a6d6e5e9b9d3bab6ac0c198798209c1a1f74)QuoteI'm skeptical about Missouri or K-State doing much in the NCAA tournament this year, given that their efficiency levels drop off a cliff once they leave home.
:frown:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/02/24/power.rankings/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
Using the "Game Plan" pages on kenpom.com, I created a database of all Big East games through Tuesday, and then placed the splits of the league's 11 NCAA tournament candidates on a Hoopism-style grid. The visualization makes it clear that Pitt is the class of the nation's deepest conference -- and it's even more impressive that a portion of the Panthers' road work (wins at West Virginia and Villanova) came without star guard Ashton Gibbs.
Oh, if that's not conference games only, it's kind of pointless. Good idea, though.
man, I really like to look at stuff like this.
... is there such a thing as an otherwise great team being inherently bad on the road, even when taking home-court advantage into account? I don’t know the answer to that nor, I suspect, does anybody else. Oh you might think you know, but I’d like to suggest those people reconsider this idea.
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/why_i_wont_give_up_on_washington_or_kentucky/Quote... is there such a thing as an otherwise great team being inherently bad on the road, even when taking home-court advantage into account? I don’t know the answer to that nor, I suspect, does anybody else. Oh you might think you know, but I’d like to suggest those people reconsider this idea.
Good stuff from Winn...The most surprising part of this is looking at aTm. Not real good at home, worse on the road (although not a huge change b/w the two) yet here they are with 3rd all but locked up. I know it's indicative of them winning so many close games, but I guess the 3rd seed in the conference is almost always a lot less "average" in that statistical category.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.cdn.turner.com%2Fsi%2F.element%2Fimg%2F4.0%2Fglobal%2Fswapper%2F201102%2F110224.09.jpg&hash=46f6a6d6e5e9b9d3bab6ac0c198798209c1a1f74)QuoteI'm skeptical about Missouri or K-State doing much in the NCAA tournament this year, given that their efficiency levels drop off a cliff once they leave home.
:frown:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/02/24/power.rankings/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
The most surprising part of this is looking at aTm. Not real good at home, worse on the road (although not a huge change b/w the two) yet here they are with 3rd all but locked up. I know it's indicative of them winning so many close games, but I guess the 3rd seed in the conference is almost always a lot less "average" in that statistical category.
I think this thread should be called:
The league is bananas! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!:pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj:
Where did that phrase even come from, anyway? Why bananas. Why not apples or grapefruits? :dubious:
I think this thread should be called:
The league is bananas! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!:pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: :pbj: