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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Pete on January 23, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
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As usual, our staff has done a wonderful job of finding the diamonds in the rough...those players that no other BCS schools knew about. I have compiled the number of BCS offers (I counted both Boise State and TCU as BCS level schools) that each commit from KSU, KU and ISU have this year. Below are the results.
A few of my observations:
1. KU has been nearly twice as ineffective at finding hidden gems as Bill.
2. Bill is not doing nearly as good of a job at finding hidden gems as Iowa State.
2. Kentucky knows how Bill's ass tastes. Suck it, Kentucky.
3. Devondrkick Nealy, OMG! :horrorsurprise:
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Can you reformat these charts to fit better in banner form? T-Y, Trim
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:facepalm:
Good lord.
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:facepalm:
Good lord.
I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...
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I was rough ridin' pumped that we stole a kicker from Boise State. Boise took two kickers in this year's class. Does that mean our guy is better or worse than I thought? :dunno:
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Can I go ahead and blame Meshak's lack of BCS offers on him being wrapped up in the middle of 2009? Would help my psyche, hope we can agree.
EDIT: Throw Pease in there too, TIA.
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I was rough ridin' pumped that we stole a kicker from Boise State. Boise took two kickers in this year's class. Does that mean our guy is better or worse than I thought? :dunno:
DOES IT MATTER? STCSS knows special teams, kid's going to destroy the ball with his kicks once STCSS is done w/ him. NEW STCSS FTW.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.
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The Hunter Davis news comes to us from the Tulsa Newsaper. http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/TU/article.aspx?subjectid=94&articleid=20110123_94_0_TheUni55717
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This is the one I've been trying to get.
Hopefully there are more to come too. There are more names we haven't unveiled yet.
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Brian Gates is waiting to unveil the others until other small timey media outlets break the news....Gates must have agreed to "sit on it."
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...also, if Tulsa ever gets into a BCS conference, we are completely mumped.
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Bill's replacement will have lots of practice players to work with, so that's comforting.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.
If you check out Rivals, after he opened up his commitment, he received offers from Texas Tech, and Texas A&M
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:facepalm:
Good lord.
I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...
Wow...that's rough ridin' depressing. :goodbyecruelworld:
You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class. :facepalm: Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.
Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like rough ridin' drones.
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:facepalm:
Good lord.
I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...
Wow...that's effing depressing. :goodbyecruelworld:
You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class. :facepalm: Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.
Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like effing drones.
I know you like to spew the blah, blah, blah, synder can't recruit, blah, blah, blah, the shirt tucks are such big tards, waa, waa, waa our recruiting rankings suck. But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.
The continual bitching and moaning around here makes me :chainsaw: :curse: :bang: :goodbyecruelworld: and :driving: me to :drink:
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But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.
Well yeah, before Rusty became michigancat, we could've all gone over to his neighbor's and warmed up the delorean (I'll drive, not you) and gone back to 1998 and all our football problems would be solved. But where are we gonna find a time machine now?
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Looks like LHC Bill Snyder needs an "I'm So Proud" moment.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.
If you check out Rivals, after he opened up his commitment, he received offers from Texas Tech, and Texas A&M
LOL, no he didn't. He said they were talking about having him visit...READ: "you might be a back up plan for us, so keep a carry-on bag packed."
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Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:
-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullshit
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough
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You guys, Tulsa has been in on a huge number of our recruits....this MUST mean that they are also very skilled at finding the gems that no other BCS team sees. Tulsa will prolly dominate it's conference for the next decade.
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I think it's amazing that they are recruiting as well as they are. I know I would never sign up to play for the best coaches in the AARP.
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:facepalm:
Good lord.
I know, right? Kinda gets in you the gut when you see it laid out like that...
Wow...that's effing depressing. :goodbyecruelworld:
You can't even bring this up to the 'tards though. They'll immediately site Bryce and Arthur and place them in this recruiting class. As if OB's just gonna keep on finding 5 star recruits to transfer in every class. :facepalm: Then they'll tuck in their shirt and spew some garbage about how Bill always finds the gems that nobody else is in on and this isn't a big deal at all. Just ask 'em. Recruiting rankings mean nothing.
Seriously, somebody post this over there and watch what happens. They're like effing drones.
I know you like to spew the blah, blah, blah, synder can't recruit, blah, blah, blah, the shirt tucks are such big tards, waa, waa, waa our recruiting rankings suck. But, there are several gems that played for HCBS that are now playing on Sundays and the classes that resulted in 11 win seasons, North titles, bowl games and a Big 12 Championship were very similar to this one.
The continual bitching and moaning around here makes me :chainsaw: :curse: :bang: :goodbyecruelworld: and :driving: me to :drink:
Every school has under-recruited gems.
But, this is just the most popular fallacy Snyder apologists like to prop up to support his shitty recruiting time and again.
The popular method of rationalizing the sub-par recruiting is to say Bill always had bottom of the barrell talent that he brought in and coached up. The reality is, during the DOD, we were also pulling plenty of excellent talent from Florida and Texas and a much higher level of player from the JUCO ranks.
In today's ranking system, guys like Michael Bishop and Quincy Morgan both would have been 5 stars. Hell, Quincy Morgan committed to Ohio State out of high school and was the second highest rated WR in the country behind David Boston.
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I'm not sure why people still fight about these recruiting services. It's a complete crapshoot. If these Rivals guys were excellent at talent evaluation, wouldn't you think a college or the NFL would hire them? For every example that shows recruiting stars matter, I can come up with an example that they do not mean much. To agree with you guys, though, the best evaluation of recruiting would be the other offers the prospect had.
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We're so screwed. I'm depressed about ksu sports teams that count. Maybe someone can confirm if we have any second/third rate teams that are good so that I can follow them?
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Looks like LHC Bill Snyder needs an "I'm So Proud" moment.
Why? He owns Rhodes.
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I'm not sure why people still fight about these recruiting services. It's a complete crapshoot. If these Rivals guys were excellent at talent evaluation, wouldn't you think a college or the NFL would hire them? For every example that shows recruiting stars matter, I can come up with an example that they do not mean much. To agree with you guys, though, the best evaluation of recruiting would be the other offers the prospect had.
Stars do matter, on the whole.
And the hyperbolic argument against it of "Well, how come these guys aren't working for the NFL" or for every "Ndamukong Suh I can name you 5 Jordy Nelson's taken in the 5th round that turned out to be great" is such horseshit.
See both articles:
http://www.thedailygopher.com/2010/4/22/1436208/nfl-draft-projections-vindicate (http://www.thedailygopher.com/2010/4/22/1436208/nfl-draft-projections-vindicate)
http://m.si.com/news/wr/wr/detail/2541786/full;jsessionid=8A7F346192F3C18AC0D8B6D8421F3952.cnnsi1b (http://m.si.com/news/wr/wr/detail/2541786/full;jsessionid=8A7F346192F3C18AC0D8B6D8421F3952.cnnsi1b)
The reality is there is A LOT of money in the recruiting analysis and more and more resources being put towards it have generated much higher degrees of accuracy over the years. Are there still anomolies? Yes. But, on the whole, the the NFL draft in itself vindicates the star ranking system, and does so convincingly.
The overwhelming vast majority of NFL draft picks in the first four rounds were 4 stars or higher out of high school. That's a fact.
And the reality, whether any Snyder apologist wants to accept it or not, is that the collegiate programs with the higest ranked classes full of the highest ranked players, compete at the highest level of college football, play for championships, and consistently and have the most players taken in the draft annually. You can't even defend it otherwise.
So, we can pretend all day that they don't matter, but the reality is, if you don't recruit at a high level within the modern ranking structure, and you're going to depend on filling your roster with low level talent, you're going to perpetually be fighting an uphill battle and continually be behind the competitive curve.
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I have more respect for the "we won't ever get the elites so we need to coach them up," view point than the "our recruits really ARE elite, but simply hidden gems" view point. The latter is just stupid. rough ridin' stupid.
The jackasses on Wabash who are defending our amazing low recruting ranking are doing so based on theories of Snyder's recruiting that were developed years ago, and have since been disproven time and again.
Brent Venables ain't walking through that door....
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I have more respect for the "we won't ever get the elites so we need to coach them up," view point than the "our recruits really ARE elite, but simply hidden gems" view point. The latter is just stupid. rough ridin' stupid.
The jackasses on Wabash who are defending our amazing low recruting ranking are doing so based on theories of Snyder's recruiting that were developed years ago, and have since been disproven time and again.
Brent Venables ain't walking through that door....
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Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:
-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullshit
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough
-Texas always has a top 5 class and look at them this season
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Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:
-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullcac
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough
-Texas always has a top 5 class and look at them this season
These anomolies DO happen. For example, I will predict that the frequency with which we see UT have a season like last year is approximately the frequency with which we will see KSU have a season like UT had the year before.
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Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:
-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullcac
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough
Excellent summary, stephen david. My favorite one is bolded. I'm pretty sure the GPCers are going to count Bryce Brown in at least three more classes, too.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.
I think this is exactly what Bill is shooting for with waiting until Sr. year to make offers. :goodbyecruelworld:
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BREAKING NEWS!!!! We just landed three-star DE Hunter Davis!!!! However, this does not raise our BCS offer count.
I think this is exactly what Bill is shooting for with waiting until Sr. year to make offers. :goodbyecruelworld:
Necrocoprophagia: WRSOAT likes
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Alright, it's time to change the name of this board to Kay Jewelers or something Jewelry Store-related, because I have been seeing those goddamn phrases "diamond in the rough" and "hidden gems" pop up everywhere a Tard speaks or posts on an internet website to try and talk about out shitty recruiting. I had a talk with my Tard neighbor on Sunday and he said diamond-in-the-rough several times.
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powerespect: "_____ is a hidden gem...a real diamond-in-the-rough."
MadCat: "He is what we call a 'Sex Stone'."
powerespect: "I like the sound of that!"
MadCat: "It's another rough ridin' rock."
[spoiler]Archaeology humor[/spoiler]
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These anomolies DO happen. For example, I will predict that the frequency with which we see UT have a season like last year is approximately the frequency with which we will see KSU have a season like UT had the year before.
I can only wish. :frown:
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KU landed probably last recruit.....a GASP....juco kid. Tundra Bukake (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/player-Tunde-Bakare-118146) (LB) or something like that. He had a BCS offer!!!
Is Crabtree gone from rivals?
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KU landed probably last recruit.....a GASP....juco kid. Tundra Bukake (http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/player-Tunde-Bakare-118146) (LB) or something like that. He had a BCS offer!!!
Is Crabtree gone from rivals?
No doubt the kid's classes have been pre-audited so they already know he can overcome the herculean obstacles ku places in front of Juco transfers.
Congrats WtW and congrats Tundra, no doubt you're a Rhodes Scholar.
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With the University of Kansas' incredible ability to make Juco players a complete non-factor I wouldn't be to concerned Dax. Not sure we have had an impact juco since I was in school.
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With the University of Kansas' incredible ability to make Juco players a complete non-factor I wouldn't be to concerned Dax. Not sure we have had an impact juco since I was in school.
Whitamore a transfer?
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BlWith the University of Kansas' incredible ability to make Juco players a complete non-factor I wouldn't be to concerned Dax. Not sure we have had an impact juco since I was in school.
Whitamore a transfer?
Yep, Fort Scott CC I believe.
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Is Crabtree gone from rivals?
I think he works for ESPN now. May be making that up though.
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"Cubic zirconium in the rough" is the more correct description of almost all of these guys. "
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I'm not sure we can fully evaluate these youngsters until we see their track times and shotput/javelin distances. Pete, pls update the lists.
T-Y Whale
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powerespect: "_____ is a hidden gem...a real diamond-in-the-rough."
MadCat: "He is what we call a 'Sex Stone'."
powerespect: "I like the sound of that!"
MadCat: "It's another rough ridin' rock."
[spoiler]Archaeology humor[/spoiler]
:thumbsup:
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Pete, does Weber State give us any more numbers in any of the fields? tia
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Pete, does Weber State give us any more numbers in any of the fields? tia
Good question. Also worth noting that nepotism is now contagious and has apparently spread to the Lockett family & friends. And people are worried about diseases from NBAF :lol:
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who knows, they could turn out to be good.
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Does it baffle anyone else that any tard would actually pay for a 'premium' site to see this load of crap before anyone else does?
Tard 1 "Wow, can you believe we got that kicker that also was looking at Boise?"
Tard 2 " Yeah, he's gonna rock and make Cherry look so stupid."
Tard 1 " Should we tell Dobbie about him?"
Tard 2 " Hell no, that's why we pay for this stuff. He'll find out on that other board soon enough anyway."
Tard 1 & 2 "Yep. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:)"
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Well, KU just put quite a bit more room between themselves and us....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Marquis-Jackson-104055
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Well, KU just put quite a bit more room between themselves and us....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Marquis-Jackson-104055
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Remember when Bill had changed and revolutionized his recruiting? He was totally gonna be more modern and stuff and start bringing in decent recruits. Remember this?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd101%2Fds43fan%2FBillandJonsEcellentadventure.jpg%3Ft%3D1296102119&hash=100601127b5bbd73a6f46049cf2c093323e5e7a0)
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Remember when Bill had changed and revolutionized his recruiting? He was totally gonna be more modern and stuff and start bringing in decent recruits. Remember this?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd101%2Fds43fan%2FBillandJonsEcellentadventure.jpg%3Ft%3D1296102119&hash=100601127b5bbd73a6f46049cf2c093323e5e7a0)
Remember when Bill had changed and revolutionized his recruiting? He was totally gonna be more modern and stuff and start bringing in decent recruits. Remember this?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd101%2Fds43fan%2FBillandJonsEcellentadventure.jpg%3Ft%3D1296102119&hash=100601127b5bbd73a6f46049cf2c093323e5e7a0)
This is truly amazing.
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Good recruiting convo. going on GPC right now discussing our recruiting class sitting at dead last in the B12. It's only in it's first page but they've already covered:
-Yeah, well, Ron Prince had some highly ranked classes and you see how those turned out
-Obvious Turner Gill/Ron Prince comparo to explain Turner's class being ranked much higher
-Glen Mason and Terry Allen out recruited Bill according to Rivals and he destroyed them
-It's not the talent you bring in it's how you coach them
-Rivals rankings are bullshit
-Stars don't matter
-I'll trust our staff's evaluation of talent over Rivals and other coaches who haven't offered
-We should be able to count the grey shirt kids who we counted last year in this year's class again
-We are addressing issues we have and this is more important than talent
-Totally serious references to hidden gems and diamonds in the rough
I can't believe there weren't more Ty Zimmerman Freshman AA mentions.