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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: ednksu on February 25, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
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Muslims are misunderstood.
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at a certain point I always have to laugh and facepalm how little these idiots understand about their lives. I mean what happened when you had protests before under the taliban? oh thats right you got stoned to death on an old soccer field. now you kill the people who gave you freedom. Nothing about that country is worth the blood or treasure we've wasted. Nuke those fuckers from orbit.
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Since Obama apologized so quick and sincere about burning a book I am sure the Afghans will be sending their sincere condolences to us for killing human beings because of a burned book. If not, I am sure Obama will demand an apology for killing human beings over a burned book right? :dunno:
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I know Arabs are pretty nuts, but our occupation of them isnt helping anything. If China occupied the US for a decade and starting bombing us with robots and pissing on our dead people and burning our bibles i imagine some people here would lose it too.
Theres no justification for anything the crazy Arabs do, im just saying we're not helping very much. The war on terror has been an absolute disaster.
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I know Arabs are pretty nuts, but our occupation of them isnt helping anything. If China occupied the US for a decade and starting bombing us with robots and pissing on our dead people and burning our bibles i imagine some people here would lose it too.
Theres no justification for anything the crazy Arabs do, im just saying we're not helping very much. The war on terror has been an absolute disaster.
I agree. I wish Bush had never just woken up one fine (September) morning and decided to start a war on terror.
Seriously though, I'm not saying I'd like it, but I might understand China bombing us with Robots if our government gave sanctuary and abetted a group of folks that murdered 2,000 Chinese civilians. I mean, in theory. It would probably need to be a lot more than 2,000 for China to care in the first place.
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I know Arabs are pretty nuts, but our occupation of them isnt helping anything. If China occupied the US for a decade and starting bombing us with robots and pissing on our dead people and burning our bibles i imagine some people here would lose it too.
Theres no justification for anything the crazy Arabs do, im just saying we're not helping very much. The war on terror has been an absolute disaster.
I agree. I wish Bush had never just woken up one fine (September) morning and decided to start a war on terror.
Seriously though, I'm not saying I'd like it, but I might understand China bombing us with Robots if our government gave sanctuary and abetted a group of folks that murdered 2,000 Chinese civilians. I mean, in theory. It would probably need to be a lot more than 2,000 for China to care in the first place.
China wouldn't miss 2000 people.
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I know Arabs are pretty nuts, but our occupation of them isnt helping anything. If China occupied the US for a decade and starting bombing us with robots and pissing on our dead people and burning our bibles i imagine some people here would lose it too.
Theres no justification for anything the crazy Arabs do, im just saying we're not helping very much. The war on terror has been an absolute disaster.
I agree. I wish Bush had never just woken up one fine (September) morning and decided to start a war on terror.
Seriously though, I'm not saying I'd like it, but I might understand China bombing us with Robots if our government gave sanctuary and abetted a group of folks that murdered 2,000 Chinese civilians. I mean, in theory. It would probably need to be a lot more than 2,000 for China to care in the first place.
I understand this and agree to an extent. We have to realize that a countries government and its people are not mutually inclusive. So 99% of the people there have nothing to do with providing sanctuary for the taliban. They're just goat and opium farmers minding their own business. These same people who 10 years ago couldnt find the USA on a map now hate our guts and will kill for simple, petty things like burning books.
In a perfect world i think the war on terror could have worked, but we have to be honest with ourselves in that we're not going anybody any good over there.
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I know Arabs are pretty nuts, but our occupation of them isnt helping anything. If China occupied the US for a decade and starting bombing us with robots and pissing on our dead people and burning our bibles i imagine some people here would lose it too.
Theres no justification for anything the crazy Arabs do, im just saying we're not helping very much. The war on terror has been an absolute disaster.
I agree. I wish Bush had never just woken up one fine (September) morning and decided to start a war on terror.
Seriously though, I'm not saying I'd like it, but I might understand China bombing us with Robots if our government gave sanctuary and abetted a group of folks that murdered 2,000 Chinese civilians. I mean, in theory. It would probably need to be a lot more than 2,000 for China to care in the first place.
I understand this and agree to an extent. We have to realize that a countries government and its people are not mutually inclusive. So 99% of the people there have nothing to do with providing sanctuary for the taliban. They're just goat and opium farmers minding their own business. These same people who 10 years ago couldnt find the USA on a map now hate our guts and will kill for simple, petty things like burning books.
In a perfect world i think the war on terror could have worked, but we have to be honest with ourselves in that we're not going anybody any good over there.
You may be right, to an extent, but who really knows? We've done a great deal of good for the Afghans. These "protestors" may not represent the overall population. More likely, I'd say, they're just Taliban goons. The whole controversy over the Mohamad cartoons, for example, was ginned up by extremist clerics.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
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first off various tribesmen of Afghanistan != Arab
Second there have been so many chances to win the peace in Afghanistan. I really have nothing but contempt at this point for Karzai. Not sure a bullet in him wouldn't clear up a lot of our issues there. He is really playing tribes off one another and off the US con keep himself in power.
Third, I enjoyed this film:
http://www.campvictoryafghanistanthemovie.com/castandcrew.html
I really felt like it showed the challenges the US is facing in Afghanistan from a systematic stand point. Th film does a lot of work up on General Sayar. When he was killed it really felt like the US lost a great figure in the movement to modernize Afghanistan from 4th century shithole into something better. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_w011517A.xml&show_article=1
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
this is why that part of the world is doomed to failure. If you can't have critical discourse you're mumped as a society. I mean these Korans were supposedly used by prisoners to pass notes. Why isn't the population protesting prisoners using their holy book as a prison kite?
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
this is why that part of the world is doomed to failure. If you can't have critical discourse you're mumped as a society. I mean these Korans were supposedly used by prisoners to pass notes. Why isn't the population protesting prisoners using their holy book as a prison kite?
Which reminds me, remember when Tim Robbins hollowed out his Bible to hide the rock pick? I don't know about you, but I went rough ridin' apeshit.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
this is why that part of the world is doomed to failure. If you can't have critical discourse you're mumped as a society. I mean these Korans were supposedly used by prisoners to pass notes. Why isn't the population protesting prisoners using their holy book as a prison kite?
Which reminds me, remember when Tim Robbins hollowed out his Bible to hide the rock pick? I don't know about you, but I went rough ridin' apeshit.
Remember when that artist put Jesus in a jar of piss? How many died in those riots? I know I shot a couple of local artists.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
this is why that part of the world is doomed to failure. If you can't have critical discourse you're mumped as a society. I mean these Korans were supposedly used by prisoners to pass notes. Why isn't the population protesting prisoners using their holy book as a prison kite?
Which reminds me, remember when Tim Robbins hollowed out his Bible to hide the rock pick? I don't know about you, but I went rough ridin' apeshit.
Remember when that artist put Jesus in a jar of piss? How many died in those riots? I know I shot a couple of local artists.
And then there were the beheadings when that artist covered the Virgin Mary in cowshit. Those were the days...
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
this is why that part of the world is doomed to failure. If you can't have critical discourse you're mumped as a society. I mean these Korans were supposedly used by prisoners to pass notes. Why isn't the population protesting prisoners using their holy book as a prison kite?
Which reminds me, remember when Tim Robbins hollowed out his Bible to hide the rock pick? I don't know about you, but I went rough ridin' apeshit.
Remember when that artist put Jesus in a jar of piss? How many died in those riots? I know I shot a couple of local artists.
And then there were the beheadings when that artist covered the Virgin Mary in cowshit. Those were the days...
Oh yeah! I car bombed a feedlot over that one, effing cows.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
And if youve ever read the comments to a fox news article its always "kill the atheists!, kill the mexicans!, death to Islam!, kill those that dont speak english!, praise Israel!"
Not kidding.
But my point is Arabs arent much crazier than Christians. The US is just really, really brain washed.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
That is only because there are no countries with Christianity as a state religion. You just have to look back in history to see that the Christians were very barbaric before church was separated from state.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
Heads of state sometimes support the removal (killing) of other heads of state, ie Gaddafi. it happens. I think Pat Robertson is more of a realist than a lunatic, but you just don't say that stuff in public because it's not politically correct, but I can guarantee it has been discussed in the White House.
As for abortion doctor murderers, if they were truly Christians, they wouldn't even consider killing as an option. There isn't anything that resembles Sharia law in modern Christianity that I am aware of.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
There are bound to be fanatics in any group, but "radical" Christianity isn't nearly as widespread as radical Islam, and you know it. Liberals just sound Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when they draw these false equivalencies.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
As for abortion doctor murderers, if they were truly Christians, they wouldn't even consider killing as an option. There isn't anything that resembles Sharia law in modern Christianity that I am aware of.
Somebody hasn't read Leviticus.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capital crime?
That is only because there are no countries with Christianity as a state religion. You just have to look back in history to see that the Christians were very barbaric before church was separated from state.
True, most religions have evolved. Time seems to have stood still in some areas of the world, and it's probably time for Islam to splinter into evolved and devolved factions.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
As for abortion doctor murderers, if they were truly Christians, they wouldn't even consider killing as an option. There isn't anything that resembles Sharia law in modern Christianity that I am aware of.
Somebody hasn't read Leviticus.
The bible has become a metaphor as we've learned to govern ourselves and attempt to become less barbaric, right or wrong. If you take it literally, you will find yourself on the fringe. I think true believers realize this.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
As for abortion doctor murderers, if they were truly Christians, they wouldn't even consider killing as an option. There isn't anything that resembles Sharia law in modern Christianity that I am aware of.
Somebody hasn't read Leviticus.
The bible has become a metaphor as we've learned to govern ourselves and attempt to become less barbaric, right or wrong. If you take it literally, you will find yourself on the fringe. I think true believers realize this.
I agree, but I also believe that same logic applies to Muslims.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
As for abortion doctor murderers, if they were truly Christians, they wouldn't even consider killing as an option. There isn't anything that resembles Sharia law in modern Christianity that I am aware of.
Somebody hasn't read Leviticus.
The bible has become a metaphor as we've learned to govern ourselves and attempt to become less barbaric, right or wrong. If you take it literally, you will find yourself on the fringe. I think true believers realize this.
I agree, but I also believe that same logic applies to Muslims.
Agreed, but as long as the fringe, a very large fringe, is in control of countries with nuclear and biological weapons, they are a threat to millions of people and must be dealt with. You can't trust that they will act rationally.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
There are bound to be fanatics in any group, but "radical" Christianity isn't nearly as widespread as radical Islam, and you know it. Liberals just sound Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when they draw these false equivalencies.
I agree that currently radical Christianity in no way an apples to apples comparison with radical Islam. However, the point does remain that believers of any faith can easily become barbaric when provided a moral/spiritual justification. Whether it be abortion or gay rights or perceived/ real imperialism or offences against religious sites/artifacts.
Pat Robertson may be correct in terms of machivellian politic. However as a man of the cloth it is pretty cracking nuts to call for the murder of a man on national tv.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
I hear you.
But it is not like Islam is the only religion that has a fanatical sect. Pat Robertson is a fracking lunatic who has called for the assasination of political figures. Numerous devout Christians have killed abortion providers in the name of god. Phil Jensen of South Dakota introduced a bill that would make the killing of an abortion provider legal. The Huratee of Michigan, a christian paramilitary group were and are prepared to kill law enforcement in the name of god.
There are bound to be fanatics in any group, but "radical" Christianity isn't nearly as widespread as radical Islam, and you know it. Liberals just sound Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when they draw these false equivalencies.
I agree that currently radical Christianity in no way an apples to apples comparison with radical Islam. However, the point does remain that believers of any faith can easily become barbaric when provided a moral/spiritual justification. Whether it be abortion or gay rights or perceived/ real imperialism or offences against religious sites/artifacts.
Pat Robertson may be correct in terms of machivellian politic. However as a man of the cloth it is pretty cracking nuts to call for the murder of a man on national tv.
Right, but that doesn't seem like much of a point when one group is far worse than the other.
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this whole thread :lol:
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this whole thread :lol:
I think Dougie invalidated the Bible.
I'm pretty sure the whale belly thing was intended to be taken literally, but I don't know for sure.
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Any apology yet :tappingtoeguy:
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
That is only because there are no countries with Christianity as a state religion. You just have to look back in history to see that the Christians were very barbaric before church was separated from state.
well your first notion is wrong.
second it isn't a capital offense to depict Jesus. It is in Islam or a very specific reason, which in reality has actually cased what they tried to prevent.
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However depicting a prophet in any context is forbidden within Islam. Depicting that prophet as a terrorist is sure to piss people off.
How many modern religions consider blasphemy a capitol crime?
That is only because there are no countries with Christianity as a state religion. You just have to look back in history to see that the Christians were very barbaric before church was separated from state.
well your first notion is wrong.
second it isn't a capital offense to depict Jesus. It is in Islam or a very specific reason, which in reality has actually cased what they tried to prevent.
Blasphemy is also a capital offense with Christianity if you follow the bible by the letter. When the catholic church actually had power, blasphemers were burnt at the stake.
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or sometimes drowned which was often the punishment doled out to Anabaptists.
In fact acclaimed Saint, Mr. Thomas Moore actively sought individuals who were printing the Bible in English (which at the time was a blasphemous act) to have them burnt at the stake.
William Tyndall was the most famous of these treacherous bible printers.
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or sometimes drowned which was often the punishment doled out to Anabaptists.
In fact acclaimed Saint, Mr. Thomas Moore actively sought individuals who were printing the Bible in English (which at the time was a blasphemous act) to have them burnt at the stake.
William Tyndall was the most famous of these treacherous bible printers.
...and Democrats were the party trying to block the Civil Rights Bill. You guys sound like KU fans discussing the Helms championships. Ancient history.
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or sometimes drowned which was often the punishment doled out to Anabaptists.
In fact acclaimed Saint, Mr. Thomas Moore actively sought individuals who were printing the Bible in English (which at the time was a blasphemous act) to have them burnt at the stake.
William Tyndall was the most famous of these treacherous bible printers.
...and Democrats were the party trying to block the Civil Rights Bill. You guys sound like KU fans discussing the Helms championships. Ancient history.
:facepalm:
Yes, it's true Southern Democrats tried to block Civil Rights legislation. They also became Republicans by the end of the 1960s after being actively recruited by the GOP.
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or sometimes drowned which was often the punishment doled out to Anabaptists.
In fact acclaimed Saint, Mr. Thomas Moore actively sought individuals who were printing the Bible in English (which at the time was a blasphemous act) to have them burnt at the stake.
William Tyndall was the most famous of these treacherous bible printers.
...and Democrats were the party trying to block the Civil Rights Bill. You guys sound like KU fans discussing the Helms championships. Ancient history.
:facepalm:
Yes, it's true Southern Democrats tried to block Civil Rights legislation. They also became Republicans by the end of the 1960s after being actively recruited by the GOP.
Again, ancient history. The reason the racists started to vote republican in the 60's had nothing to do with the republican party and everything to do with the fact they felt betrayed by the likes of Kennedy and Johnson of their own party. It was retaliation. In the 70's the Dems started to adopt a more socialist agenda, and the more conservative south found some conservatism in the republican party. Republicans have also been the party of state's rights, which also appeals to the southern democrats, but for different reasons.
If you are suggesting that many southern democrat politicians switched parties, I don't think more than 2 or 3 of the 20 or so well known segregationists did. The great majority of them died democrats.
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Voters, JD, voters.
Also, so many world problems should be resolved because of your ancient history dismissal. Israel? Ancient history. India/Pakistan, ancient history. Why is this crap still relevant if it's all ancient history?
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Voters, JD, voters.
Also, so many world problems should be resolved because of your ancient history dismissal. Israel? Ancient history. India/Pakistan, ancient history. Why is this crap still relevant if it's all ancient history?
Yes, voters.
Your two examples deal with the devolved Islam vs another religion, so those conflicts will go on forever, or until one is destroyed or converted.
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Not necessarily forever Hindus and Muslims in the area of Pakistan and India have enjoyed long periods of peace and mutual understanding in their shared history. During the Mughal period the level of peace in the region largely depended on the rural at the time. The current history and conflict is a direct result of the British Partition. Given what has happened in the past there is no reason that these two can't work past their differences.
Will it happen in our lifetimes??? prolly not.