Coaching Carousel Master Thread (MAYBE FEATURING THE KSU CATS?)

[0.42]

I think nutritional supplement conferences in Omaha.

[EMADUB]

Why in the world did UCLA hire somebody before talking with Gregg Marshall?

“@GrantMeech12: Was told by someone close to Marshall, that he spoke to UCLA twice this week but told them to call back after tourney run was over"

Eagle said Wichita state had not been contacted by UCLA. Sorry if luked. I am so pumped I figured out how to quote a tweet on here and look like a professional BBSer

[MadCat]

They set out to find the best and came back with Steve Alford

[TheHamburglar]

The UCLA thing is still mind boggling to me. All I can think of is:

Thad Matta
Buzz Williams
Jay Wright
Jamie Dixon
John Beilein
Sean Miller

They just spent $138MM dollars to rebuild their arena, but can't come up with an extra $10MM over the next 5 years to get one of these six before they settled on Steve Alford?  You're UCLA, step it the eff up.

[bones129]

They set out to find the best and came back with Steve Alford

Mission definitely not accomplished.

[jtksu]

Now that Marshall has reached (at least) the FF, dude has to parlay that into a big time job, right? I mean, his stock is never going to be higher. I guess a huge raise and some absurd like 15 yr  contract would be acceptable too, I guess.

[michigancat]

Now that Marshall has reached (at least) the FF, dude has to parlay that into a big time job, right? I mean, his stock is never going to be higher. I guess a huge raise and some absurd like 15 yr  contract would be acceptable too, I guess.

yeah, he's the new Jim Larranaga

[bones129]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

[felix rex]

Now that Marshall has reached (at least) the FF, dude has to parlay that into a big time job, right? I mean, his stock is never going to be higher. I guess a huge raise and some absurd like 15 yr  contract would be acceptable too, I guess.

yeah, he's the new Jim Larranaga

He's even better than the old Larranaga because he has Miami Larranaga in the back of everyone's mind.

[Pete]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

Would Wichita be willing/able to pay as much as a Big 10 athletic department, for example?

[MakeItRain]

in a  lot of ways,  Texas  is a  better job  than UCLA

absurd

[GoodForAnother]

marshall isn't a jumper and won't leave for any currently open jobs

[ChiComCat]

Now that Marshall has reached (at least) the FF, dude has to parlay that into a big time job, right? I mean, his stock is never going to be higher. I guess a huge raise and some absurd like 15 yr  contract would be acceptable too, I guess.

yeah, he's the new Jim Larranaga

He's even better than the old Larranaga because he has Miami Larranaga in the back of everyone's mind.

And is younger, which I think is what kept Larranaga as Miami's B or C plan (Frank was plan F)

[MakeItRain]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

Would Wichita be willing/able to pay as much as a Big 10 athletic department, for example?

They can and will. He isn't leaving this season and I wouldn't doubt if he got a contract similar to the one Hoiberg just got. I don't think he will stay at WSU if he continues to win. Marshall has a world famous giant ego, even for coaches. Stevens and Smart seem very comfortable where they are. Marshall would have taken the UCLA job if Dan Guerreo was patient. Its also entirely possible that the big boosters at UCLA, who are agents BTW, didn't feel Marshall fit what they wanted.

[MakeItRain]

marshall isn't a jumper and won't leave for any currently open jobs

He won't leave for any of the current jobs because they aren't any good. Not sure what you mean by saying he isn't a jumper. He has interviewed for other jobs since he's been at WSU and routinely makes Royesque shows about deciding to stay at WSU and Winthrop before that, of course he stays after contract renegotiations.

[Pete]

in a  lot of ways,  Texas  is a  better job  than UCLA

absurd

How many is "a lot?"

I will name a few:

Better facilities
Bigger budget for recruiting (assumption)
Better private planes (assumption)
Higher pay
Lower performance goals that must be met to retain employment

[catzacker]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

Would Wichita be willing/able to pay as much as a Big 10 athletic department, for example?

They can and will. He isn't leaving this season and I wouldn't doubt if he got a contract similar to the one Hoiberg just got. I don't think he will stay at WSU if he continues to win. Marshall has a world famous giant ego, even for coaches. Stevens and Smart seem very comfortable where they are. Marshall would have taken the UCLA job if Dan Guerreo was patient. Its also entirely possible that the big boosters at UCLA, who are agents BTW, didn't feel Marshall fit what they wanted.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how is Alford what they want wanted? 

[MakeItRain]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

Would Wichita be willing/able to pay as much as a Big 10 athletic department, for example?

They can and will. He isn't leaving this season and I wouldn't doubt if he got a contract similar to the one Hoiberg just got. I don't think he will stay at WSU if he continues to win. Marshall has a world famous giant ego, even for coaches. Stevens and Smart seem very comfortable where they are. Marshall would have taken the UCLA job if Dan Guerreo was patient. Its also entirely possible that the big boosters at UCLA, who are agents BTW, didn't feel Marshall fit what they wanted.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how is Alford what they want wanted?

You're asking the wrong person. They hired Alford while WSU is still playing, clearly someone there valued Alford over Marshall. Alford fits a similar mold as Jim Mora Jr.

[Pete]

You're asking the wrong person. They hired Alford while WSU is still playing, clearly someone there valued Alford over Marshall. Alford fits a similar mold as Jim Mora Jr.

That's a really good point.

[catzacker]

You're asking the wrong person. They hired Alford while WSU is still playing, clearly someone there valued Alford over Marshall. Alford fits a similar mold as Jim Mora Jr.

That's a really good point.

Are they? Frat guys with decent hair, kind of jerks, decent builds. 

[Pete]

You're asking the wrong person. They hired Alford while WSU is still playing, clearly someone there valued Alford over Marshall. Alford fits a similar mold as Jim Mora Jr.

That's a really good point.

Are they? Frat guys with decent hair, kind of jerks, decent builds.

Not really successful in past, but had good rep's for some reason, and didn't get it done a decent schools.

[kso_FAN]

We'll see how Marshall ends up, but its clear not all the really good non-AQ coaches are looking to jump at their first chance. Few really started it and Smart and Stephens have followed. Altman and Larrananga are a couple that jumped, but stayed at their programs several more seasons after they peaked. If anything, they left when their non-AQ programs were on a downward trend, but still could get a decent AQ job.

[MakeItRain]

in a  lot of ways,  Texas  is a  better job  than UCLA

absurd

How many is "a lot?"

I will name a few:

Better facilities
Bigger budget for recruiting (assumption)
Better private planes (assumption)
Higher pay
Lower performance goals that must be met to retain employment

The only one of those things that are inarguably true is the last point and that doesn't make it a better job. Coaches would commit homicide to coach at Kentucky where they will fire you after one season. Nebraska has Tim Miles. Also the recruiting budget thing isn't as big of a deal at UCLA or UT for that matter, they have quick and cheap access to many of the best players.

[ednksu]

So, of the current open "big" jobs, why would he go to Minnesota, New Mexico, or USC? Minnesota is not a BB power, New Mexico tries to be, and USC? USC's last claim to fame was O.J. Mayo, and that didn't work out too well.

Would Wichita be willing/able to pay as much as a Big 10 athletic department, for example?

They can and will. He isn't leaving this season and I wouldn't doubt if he got a contract similar to the one Hoiberg just got. I don't think he will stay at WSU if he continues to win. Marshall has a world famous giant ego, even for coaches. Stevens and Smart seem very comfortable where they are. Marshall would have taken the UCLA job if Dan Guerreo was patient. Its also entirely possible that the big boosters at UCLA, who are agents BTW, didn't feel Marshall fit what they wanted.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but how is Alford what they want wanted?

You're asking the wrong person. They hired Alford while WSU is still playing, clearly someone there valued Alford over Marshall. Alford fits a similar mold as Jim Mora Jr.

How does a coach who had success in the NFL but ultimately washed out compare to a coach who only had sporadic, mediocre success at a middling big 10 school?

[Skipper44]

in a  lot of ways,  Texas  is a  better job  than UCLA

absurd

How many is "a lot?"

I will name a few:

Better facilities
Bigger budget for recruiting (assumption)
Better private planes (assumption)
Higher pay
Lower performance goals that must be met to retain employment

The only one of those things that are inarguably true is the last point and that doesn't make it a better job. Coaches would commit homicide to coach at Kentucky where they will fire you after one season. Nebraska has Tim Miles. Also the recruiting budget thing isn't as big of a deal at UCLA or UT for that matter, they have quick and cheap access to many of the best players.

I don't think saying UT has more resources than UCLA is arguable, one just needs to look at the budgets, UT's is over half what UCLA's is. 

UCLA's AD maybe a moron (his FB hire looks pretty good) and/or the agent boosters may have run a terrible search but I would bet UT has a much better coaching search and hires a better candidate when the job comes up next.

Even the quality of life in Austin may appeal to some guys over the UCLA job, not everyone wants the headaches of LA - it's not like the 4 or 5 2 to 3 mill UCLA is going to pay is enough to afford the helo that true ballers use to get around