Shockers

[pissclams]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

st joes also wears different uniforms than WSU so i guess you're right on the apples to oranges comparo, thanks TC for the "straightin' out" fwiw.

[PowercatPat]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

[TownieCat]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

st joes also wears different uniforms than WSU so i guess you're right on the apples to oranges comparo, thanks TC for the "straightin' out" fwiw.

Another fact I read about St Joes today is they play their home games in Philadelphia, which is nowhere near Wichita. 

[ydarg2012]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

st joes also wears different uniforms than WSU so i guess you're right on the apples to oranges comparo, thanks TC for the "straightin' out" fwiw.

Another fact I read about St Joes today is they play their home games in Philadelphia, which is nowhere near Wichita. 

Confirmed. I checked a map.

[lopakman]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

[420seriouscat69]

Yeah, that's dumb. They proved they belonged last year and they haven't lost since.

[pissclams]

caution, wichita state success butthurt ahead!

[cfbandyman]

caution, wichita state success butthurt ahead!

Yeah, lot's of self-righteous dumbasses being outed in this thread. Def don't hate WSU, and being from ICT I probably appreciate them more than most on this board, but do agree their hardcore fans get annoying really quick, they epitomize little man syndrome but most of the butthurt in this thread feels like the same damn thing. Kenpom has them at 9, and even their SOS is better than Louisville who is ahead of them, so take that for what it's worth. And it's not like the other undefeated 'Cuse is blowing people out of the water with their Pyth SOS (77 to WSU's 139). FWIW even if they drop a few they're still a good team that can make it to a Sweet 16 or E8, maybe FF if things fall right.

[chemhawk]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

[lopakman]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

Who said anything about last year's record chemsquawk?  I don't rough ridin' know how many games Wichita State won last year.  I know that they went to the final four last year and returned two NBA caliber players.  They're also undefeated, and for the second year in a row they have the best basketball team in state of Kansas. 

[MakeItRain]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

See EMAWers this is what jealousy looks like, don't be this guy.

They returned their entire team from a final four squad you simp. This proves that they are capable of playing to seed despite their conference. I bet you've uttered the phrase "Bill Self should be picked to win the Big 12 until he loses it." Mouth breathing hypocrite.

Also any K-State or KU fan that criticizes their schedule should always add, "but their schedule would be better if my coach wasn't such a coward." At least Weber isn't a mealy mouthed liar, he has admitted to being scared.

[Spracne]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

See EMAWers this is what jealousy looks like, don't be this guy.

They returned their entire team from a final four squad you simp. This proves that they are capable of playing to seed despite their conference. I bet you've uttered the phrase "Bill Self should be picked to win the Big 12 until he loses it." Mouth breathing hypocrite.

Also any K-State out KU fan that criticizes their schedule should always add, "but their schedule would be better if my coach wasn't such a coward." At least Weber isn't a mealy mouthed liar, he has admitted to being scared.

WOW

Some strong sports takes here.  Charlie STRONG.  Boston STRONG.

I'm going to have to digest this for a while.  It's quite the mealy to swallow.

[chemhawk]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

They returned their entire team from a final four squad you simp.

No, they didn't.  You're so close.  Get there.

[kim carnes]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

They returned their entire team from a final four squad you simp.

No, they didn't.  You're so close.  Get there.

Wow.  U are totes jelly of Wichita st.  Why does the success of other state universities bother you so much?   Very losery IMO.

[chemhawk]

undefeated is undefeated.  st joe's got the 1 seed when they went 27-0 and so should wsu.

That St Joes team had two 1st round picks and the A10 was a 4 bid league that year. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison just because they are from mid major conferences.

And fwiw, they were blown out by 20 in their conf tourney game and still got a 1. If WSU gets blown out by 20 in the MVC tourney they would drop to a 3.

They should be a 3 seed even if they go undefeated.

So an undefeated team coming off of a final four should be no higher than a three seed?  Makes sense, if you're a complete dumbass.

Definitely we should include last year's record in seeding.  McGruder gets KSU a 6 seed methinks.  Also, Kentucky's loss to Bobby Morris should knock them out of the tourney yes no?

They returned their entire team from a final four squad you simp.

No, they didn't.  You're so close.  Get there.

Wow.  U are totes jelly of Wichita st.  Why does the success of other state universities bother you so much?   Very losery IMO.

WSU deserves a 1 seed IMHO .   Except for their coach a very easy team to root for. 

Last years record is irrelevant tho.   

[420seriouscat69]

Not when evaluating a mid major that is undefeated in a "crappy conference" and finished off the previous year in the final four. You evaluate that team differently.

[kso_FAN]

My stance on Wichita State.

a) they deserve any recognition and praise they get this year and last. They are good and they win a lot.

b) I absolutely can't stand them and hope they lose every game. I would certainly cheer for ku if they played.

[sunny_cat]

My stance on Wichita State.

a) they deserve any recognition and praise they get this year and last. They are good and they win a lot.

b) I absolutely can't stand them and hope they lose every game. I would certainly cheer for ku if they played.

YES rough ridin' THIS ^^^

[wetwillie]

My stance on Wichita State.

a) they deserve any recognition and praise they get this year and last. They are good and they win a lot.

b) I absolutely can't stand them and hope they lose every game. I would certainly cheer for ku if they played.

[Spracne]

Not when evaluating a mid major that is undefeated in a "crappy conference" and finished off the previous year in the final four. You evaluate that team differently.

I don't know.  Maybe you do, maybe the universal "you" does, but the only "you" that is germane to the discussion is the yous on the selection committee.  I tend to think that they have come to rely on standards that are measurable and repeatable, as a CYA protocol. I could be wrong, but then again I've already been wrong once today, so statistically speaking it would be incredibly unlikely that I'm wrong again.   

[sunny_cat]

Talking about WSU is brilliant bait for KU butthurt.

[Spracne]

Talking about WSU is brilliant bait for KU butthurt.

Do you think I'm bh about WSU?

[sunny_cat]

Talking about WSU is brilliant bait for KU butthurt.

Do you think I'm bh about WSU?

Not really. chemhawk tho.

[420seriouscat69]

Not when evaluating a mid major that is undefeated in a "crappy conference" and finished off the previous year in the final four. You evaluate that team differently.

I don't know.  Maybe you do, maybe the universal "you" does, but the only "you" that is germane to the discussion is the yous on the selection committee.  I tend to think that they have come to rely on standards that are measurable and repeatable, as a CYA protocol. I could be wrong, but then again I've already been wrong once today, so statistically speaking it would be incredibly unlikely that I'm wrong again.

If VCU went undefeated after their run vs you and the country the next year, do you think they would have deserved a #1 seed?

[Spracne]

Not when evaluating a mid major that is undefeated in a "crappy conference" and finished off the previous year in the final four. You evaluate that team differently.

I don't know.  Maybe you do, maybe the universal "you" does, but the only "you" that is germane to the discussion is the yous on the selection committee.  I tend to think that they have come to rely on standards that are measurable and repeatable, as a CYA protocol. I could be wrong, but then again I've already been wrong once today, so statistically speaking it would be incredibly unlikely that I'm wrong again.

If VCU went undefeated after their run vs you and the country the next year, do you think they would have deserved a #1 seed?

I'm a fan with an obvious bias and no real consequence for my opining, so I don't see how that's relevant.