Mass Shooting in San Bernardino: 2 shooters and a guy with a warrant

[chuckjames]

Not sure CNS knows how the 10th Amendment works. 

No, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that arguing for a 2nd amendment(right to hold arms as means of defending your liberty against the government ever trying to take it away) is stupid if you aren't arguing for the 2nd amendment(I really want to hunt, you guys!) and are in fact arguing for the states rights to let hunters hunt with guns. 

If a person's position is the latter, then that person should probably shut the eff up about the second amendment and argue that the 10th gives the state they reside in the right to let them have hunting gear.

It's not stupid.  It's efficient and effective.

You know what's stupid?  Making this a gun control issue when this is clearly a radical muslim issue.

Was Roof a radical Muslim, What about Dear? Most mass shooting aren't done by radical Muslims.

[Emo EMAW]

Not sure CNS knows how the 10th Amendment works. 

No, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that arguing for a 2nd amendment(right to hold arms as means of defending your liberty against the government ever trying to take it away) is stupid if you aren't arguing for the 2nd amendment(I really want to hunt, you guys!) and are in fact arguing for the states rights to let hunters hunt with guns. 

If a person's position is the latter, then that person should probably shut the eff up about the second amendment and argue that the 10th gives the state they reside in the right to let them have hunting gear.

It's not stupid.  It's efficient and effective.

You know what's stupid?  Making this a gun control issue when this is clearly a radical muslim issue.

Was Roof a radical Muslim, What about Dear? Most mass shooting aren't don't by radical Muslims.

Well this one was, and that's what we are talking about in this thread.  Shots fired, oh I hope it's just a crazy person and not a radical muslim.  Oh crap multiple shooters?  eff.  Could be muslims, but let's please wait and see.  People dead, shootout, oh man Sayed Farook, oh crap they might be muslim.  Yes the are muslim.  People please withhold judgement!!!!  THIS COULD STILL BE A WORKPLACE VIOLENCE ISSUE!!  She pledged her allegiance to ISIS.  Yup, Muslim.  eff.  BUT GUN VIOLENCE!!

[chuckjames]

Not sure CNS knows how the 10th Amendment works. 

No, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that arguing for a 2nd amendment(right to hold arms as means of defending your liberty against the government ever trying to take it away) is stupid if you aren't arguing for the 2nd amendment(I really want to hunt, you guys!) and are in fact arguing for the states rights to let hunters hunt with guns. 

If a person's position is the latter, then that person should probably shut the eff up about the second amendment and argue that the 10th gives the state they reside in the right to let them have hunting gear.

It's not stupid.  It's efficient and effective.

You know what's stupid?  Making this a gun control issue when this is clearly a radical muslim issue.

Was Roof a radical Muslim, What about Dear? Most mass shooting aren't don't by radical Muslims.

Well this one was, and that's what we are talking about in this thread.  Shots fired, oh I hope it's just a crazy person and not a radical muslim.  Oh crap multiple shooters?  eff.  Could be muslims, but let's please wait and see.  People dead, shootout, oh man Sayed Farook, oh crap they might be muslim.  Yes the are muslim.  People please withhold judgement!!!!  THIS COULD STILL BE A WORKPLACE VIOLENCE ISSUE!!  She pledged her allegiance to ISIS.  Yup, Muslim.  eff.  BUT GUN VIOLENCE!!

I'm not arguing that we dont have a radical Islam problem. But I dont think having an Radical Islam problem and a gun problem are mutually exclusive. This instance was a radical Islam problem for sure, but last Friday's wasn't.

[Emo EMAW]

Not sure CNS knows how the 10th Amendment works. 

No, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that arguing for a 2nd amendment(right to hold arms as means of defending your liberty against the government ever trying to take it away) is stupid if you aren't arguing for the 2nd amendment(I really want to hunt, you guys!) and are in fact arguing for the states rights to let hunters hunt with guns. 

If a person's position is the latter, then that person should probably shut the eff up about the second amendment and argue that the 10th gives the state they reside in the right to let them have hunting gear.

It's not stupid.  It's efficient and effective.

You know what's stupid?  Making this a gun control issue when this is clearly a radical muslim issue.

Was Roof a radical Muslim, What about Dear? Most mass shooting aren't don't by radical Muslims.

Well this one was, and that's what we are talking about in this thread.  Shots fired, oh I hope it's just a crazy person and not a radical muslim.  Oh crap multiple shooters?  eff.  Could be muslims, but let's please wait and see.  People dead, shootout, oh man Sayed Farook, oh crap they might be muslim.  Yes the are muslim.  People please withhold judgement!!!!  THIS COULD STILL BE A WORKPLACE VIOLENCE ISSUE!!  She pledged her allegiance to ISIS.  Yup, Muslim.  eff.  BUT GUN VIOLENCE!!

I'm not arguing that we dont have a radical Islam problem. But I dont think having an Radical Islam problem and a gun problem are mutually exclusive. This instance was a radical Islam problem for sure, but last Friday's wasn't.

I could get on board with adding verbiage to the 2nd Amendment that says it doesn't apply to radical muslims.

[CNS]

Not sure CNS knows how the 10th Amendment works. 

No, I get it, but it doesn't change the fact that arguing for a 2nd amendment(right to hold arms as means of defending your liberty against the government ever trying to take it away) is stupid if you aren't arguing for the 2nd amendment(I really want to hunt, you guys!) and are in fact arguing for the states rights to let hunters hunt with guns. 

If a person's position is the latter, then that person should probably shut the eff up about the second amendment and argue that the 10th gives the state they reside in the right to let them have hunting gear.

It's not stupid.  It's efficient and effective.

You know what's stupid?  Making this a gun control issue when this is clearly a radical muslim issue.

I don't disagree that there is more than one thing going on here and that it all needs to be addressed.

[stunted]

Hopper

[steve dave]

DNR any of this thread but saw hatin' hater stunz was posting

[Dugout DickStone]

I think CNS has some really good points if you ignore 225 years worth of jurisprudence. Just what did the founders intend??? This question continues to plague legal scholars today.

It definitely involves a well regulated militia.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

If, in the 1770s, they had written "a gay militia", would people today argue that only homosexuals can have guns? Is that what they meant way back then?  Or did they mean a happy militia?

[michigancat]

I'm half surprised being gay wasn't banned in the constitution because the founding fathers were extremely ignorant/dumb compared to today.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just a big shout out to the administration for making this about guns and not radical Islamic terrorists.

Stopping Islamic terrorists....with gun laws!!

Works .... Never

[wetwillie]

dax how many people in the United States were killed by terrorists in 2014?

[sonofdaxjones]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be gun law reforms. 

But WTF does a gun law have to do with stopping terrorists?   You think they really give an eff about gun laws? 

Not even in ProgLib utopia fantasyland was a gun law going to stop those two, or the guys in Paris, and France has gun laws out the ass.

But advancing a political agenda thru crisis, the PLJB way.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm half surprised being gay wasn't banned in the constitution because the founding fathers were extremely ignorant/dumb compared to today.

They left that up to the states.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Just checking back. Haven't read the last few pages. So are people saying terrorism is basically the same as mental illness? They seem different to me.

[wetwillie]

What is different?

[Pendergast]

The vast majority of persons that are staunchly for 'gun control' have no salient ideas as to what that means.  That's basically because they just want to ban guns.  Oh except for blahblahblah hunting, blahblahblah.  Just complete lack of rational thought.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The desire to provide cover and to go to great lengths to afford the benefit of the doubt to the muslim terrorists is one of the most tortured, bizarre and anti-social behaviors I've ever witnessed.

[star seed 7]

The desire to provide cover and to go to great lengths to afford the benefit of the doubt to the muslim terrorists is one of the most tortured, bizarre and anti-social behaviors I've ever witnessed.

Link?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

What is different?

I don't think terrorists are generally crazy. They're usually motivated by fundamentalist adherence to Islam.

The reason I ask is Im hearing this recent excuse that most mass shootings are committed by crazy white people - not terrorists, and my reaction is, so? They're both problems, but they're different problems with potentially different solutions. This was a terrorist attack.

[Dugout DickStone]

The desire to provide cover and to go to great lengths to afford the benefit of the doubt to the muslim terrorists is one of the most tortured, bizarre and anti-social behaviors I've ever witnessed.

Like, who is doing this?

[slobber]

SMART guns: guns that will not fire when aimed at humans.


Gonna win 'em all!

[Dugout DickStone]

SMART guns: guns that will not fire when aimed at humans.


Gonna win 'em all!

What about the bubba who dreams of wasting someone who looks shady?

[slobber]

SMART guns: guns that will not fire when aimed at humans.


Gonna win 'em all!

What about the bubba who dreams of wasting someone who looks shady?

a dial on the gun can be adjusted for shady looking people.


Gonna win 'em all!

[wetwillie]

What is different?

I don't think terrorists are generally crazy. They're usually motivated by fundamentalist adherence to Islam.

The reason I ask is Im hearing this recent excuse that most mass shootings are committed by crazy white people - not terrorists, and my reaction is, so? They're both problems, but they're different problems with potentially different solutions. This was a terrorist attack.

terrorist don't seem like mentally stable people to me.