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March 02, 2007, 08:32:28 AM
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January 23, 1999.  The last time we beat the Sooners and one of Tom Asbury's few wins against a ranked team.  The last season that the Cats managed postseason play (A loss to former Sooner Coach Billy Tubbs and tcu).  The last time the Cats won more than 6 games in the league.  The 66-51 win at home improved the Cat's record to 3-4 in the league and provided a little hope for a fanbase that was souring as they began to "discover" that Asbury really wasn't a "good fit" (which means he lost too much).  However, K-State would fail to string more than 2 wins in a row during conference play and Asbury's team would have one last gasp by making a run in the Big 12 Tournament before losing Asbury's 14th game to Kansas.  (Amazingly, Asbury faced ku every season except one in the league tournament on his way to a 0-17 record vs the Hawks.)  After this game though, OU/Sampson would beat Asbury one more time (to even Asbury's record against OU to 4-4), before absolutely owning Wooldridge, most of the time in heartbreaking fashion and those memories simply don't need to be recounted here. 

Now we face the Sooners for a chance to win 10 games in the league and a 4th place finish.  The Sooners have been a very competitive team in Jeff Capel's first year, and despite losing 5 in a row (and only 2 wins on the road, vs Baylor and D2 Chaminade) there seems to be some apprehension going into this contest for Cat fans.  OU in some ways has a team similar to ours; especially in that they really have no "true PG" and are long on the perimeter, but they have more inside punch than the Cats.  The Sooners have been a strong defensive team, allowing only 63 PPG (2nd) in league play, 43% FG (5th), and 30% 3PT (3rd) against them.  Also 3rd in the league in rebounding margin and 2nd in offensive rebounds.  Offensively though, OU has struggled similar to the Cats, shooting 41% (8th), 33% from 3 (10th), and scoring only 65 PPG (10th). 

Individually, OU is led by Carter who is very similar to David Hoskins as a smaller guy who can score in the lane and gets to the FT line a lot.  OU has a couple bigs in Longar and Griffin; Longar showing how a big man can develop into a double digit scorer and Griffin who is a younger player that struggles with consistency.  On the perimeter the Sooners are led by Neal who is the Sooner's 3rd double digit scorer and best perimeter scorer, Godbold, who is OU's best 3 PT shooter, Johnson, who reminds me of a Clent Stewart, and Crocker, who is a solid all around guard.

Because of the style of both teams, this looks like a game that should be in the 60s, and should be a test for the Cats.  However, in their final home game (we hope), the Cats should be able to win this game with so much on the line.  I see a game very similar to the NU and MU games in Manhattan as the Sooners stay within reach the entire game before the Cats take control the final few minutes for the win.  Cats 67, Sooners 58.

March 02, 2007, 08:38:16 AM
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I think we beat the crap out of them.

KSU by 15+.

March 02, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
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if ksu can´t manage a close loss to ou this year we have regressed.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

March 02, 2007, 08:46:01 AM
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"I don't care how terrible the officiating is, you don't throw things on the court".

I miss Billy Tubbs.  And yes, I know he said that at an OU/MU game, not a OU/KSU game. 

March 02, 2007, 08:47:04 AM
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Didn't the fans in Lloyd Noble throw crap on the court during a KSU/OU game in the Altman days?  I seem to remember the crowd getting a technical during a KSU game back then.

March 02, 2007, 08:53:16 AM
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"I don't care how terrible the officiating is, you don't throw things on the court".

I miss Billy Tubbs.  And yes, I know he said that at an OU/MU game, not a OU/KSU game. 

Good Tubbs interview that recounts that event, among others.  It says CU accused him a flipping off the crowd, but I remember our student section accusing him of the same in 93, the year before I came to K-State.
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March 02, 2007, 08:59:38 AM
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March 02, 2007, 09:15:53 AM
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Our guards will have to force a lot of TO's, they don't handle the ball really well and we need to dominate the guard match up.

Hoskins and Cartier really need to take it to the hole like they did for about 5 minutes of the OSU game, try to draw a lot of fouls.  We have to attack them, they don't have any depth.

We can't get killed on the boards this is the only thing that scares me about OU is that they will out board us by 15 and get all kinds of put backs.

March 02, 2007, 09:26:39 AM
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Pomeroy gameplans:

OU:

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                        to OE       to DE
                 Pace:  -0.04       -0.27

                 eFG%:  +0.79*      -0.58*
                  OR%:  +0.41       -0.06
                  TO%:  -0.58*      +0.05
                  FTR:  +0.28       -0.17

             Opp eFG%:  -0.48*      +0.87*
              Opp OR%:  -0.15       +0.44
              Opp TO%:  +0.07       -0.60*
              Opp FTR:  -0.45       +0.55*


KSU:
                         
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                        to OE       to DE
                 Pace:  -0.11       -0.03

                 eFG%:  +0.79*      -0.00
                  OR%:  +0.31       -0.26
                  TO%:  -0.33       -0.32
                  FTR:  +0.23       -0.02

             Opp eFG%:  -0.11       +0.86*
              Opp OR%:  +0.30       +0.09
              Opp TO%:  -0.16       -0.56*
              Opp FTR:  -0.40       +0.26

Cire is right...our ability to force turnovers and limit our own should have an effect on the game.  KSU's ability to get to the line and get offensive boards could also have a larger than normal effect on the outcome.

March 02, 2007, 12:18:45 PM
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March 02, 2007, 01:07:29 PM
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"I don't care how terrible the officiating is, you don't throw things on the court".

I miss Billy Tubbs.  And yes, I know he said that at an OU/MU game, not a OU/KSU game. 

Good Tubbs interview that recounts that event, among others.  It says CU accused him a flipping off the crowd, but I remember our student section accusing him of the same in 93, the year before I came to K-State.
93 was great, after beating the 16th ranked Sooners in Bramlage, Tubbs declared (and was quoted in a headline in the Collegian) "I don't give a crap how good they are, we're going to beat the hell out of them down in Norman."

Result, K-State 67 OU 63.

March 02, 2007, 01:15:10 PM
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Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

New warning: Don't get in a fight with someone who doesn't even need to bother to buy ink.

March 02, 2007, 02:27:16 PM
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Another Asbury, OU memory...

When Asbury was announced as KSU's new coach, Billy Tubbs said he didn't know why anyone would move from Malibu to Manhattan.  Upon hearing this, Asbury replied that Norman wasn't exactly Palm Springs.  Or something like that.

People loved that comment because it came from our new coach who was about to do great things with the program.

March 02, 2007, 02:39:01 PM
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People loved that comment because it came from our new coach who was about to do great things with the program.

Then reality arrived on the plane that landed just after Asbury's.

March 02, 2007, 03:56:22 PM
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I believe Asbury also called Tubbs a 'turd' once.  I have no idea when, or what the context was.  But it's funny.  I love that word.

March 02, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
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tubbs got a rather obnoxious piece of mail from me after that sweep.  it was a thing of beauty.

big 8 had some true characters.