DeCoursey on 810

[catzacker]

*said we'd have to win against OU and then we'd have to get two more wins against RPI top 50 teams (which would probably mean making it to the finals) to get to the tourney.

*said KSU fans should celebrate going to the NIT

[michigancat]

That's retarded.  I heard the first part and it made me wish we got more than one shot a piece at UT, aTm, Tech, and OSU.

[cireksu]

We would split with tech and osu if we played them 2 times.  the tech game pisses me off still.  hope we get another shot at them in the tourney.

[WildGunman]

A win against OU and then 2 top 50 RPI teams in the Big 12 tourney would surely give us "lock" status.  But I'd still feel like we have a good shot if we beat OU and then Tech in the Big 12 tourney.  If, however, by some chance Tech loses in the first round of the Big 12 and then we play someone like Colorado instead, I'd be worried if we didn't win two in the Big 12 tourney.

Long story short, a win over OU and one win over a top 50 RPI team makes me confident (quietly confident).  Anything less and I am getting my NIT bracket ready.

[michigancat]

It would help if USC could go 1-1 in Washington this weekend and become a top 50 win for us.

[ksu_FAN]

Yeah, I think we'd have a shot with a win over OU, then a win on friday, especially if its against Tech.  We'd be very much on the bubble, but have a shot.  It would take playing on sunday in OKC to be a complete lock.  

I think its funny how when a team is squarely on the bubble and the media develops a bias against them for whatever reason, it shows in how they describe that team.  For example, Seth Davis divided his bubble teams into flights yesterday and pointed out that once he looked at us he wasn't impressed then proceeded to say "we had a 1 point win against UT", almost saying we didn't win by enough. 

I'm preparing to get ready to buy tickets for another home game, but still holding out some hope.

[DrunkoMcGee]

Yeah, I think we'd have a shot with a win over OU, then a win on friday, especially if its against Tech.  We'd be very much on the bubble, but have a shot.  It would take playing on sunday in OKC to be a complete lock.  

I think its funny how when a team is squarely on the bubble and the media develops a bias against them for whatever reason, it shows in how they describe that team.  For example, Seth Davis divided his bubble teams into flights yesterday and pointed out that once he looked at us he wasn't impressed then proceeded to say "we had a 1 point win against UT", almost saying we didn't win by enough. 

I'm preparing to get ready to buy tickets for another home game, but still holding out some hope.

Guys like DeCourcey and Seth Davis aren't biased against KSU.  Hell, those guys probably would like to see Huggins in the tournament because it gives them an easy story to write if KSU does anything in the dance with the recruits KSU has coming in next season.  But if you look at KSU's resume, nothing stands out as especially good except for the total number of wins.  Who KSU has beaten isn't as impressive.  All of the teams on the bubble have proven they have flaws and proven they can lose games.  The teams that separate themselves are the teams that have proven they can beat teams that are going to make the tourney.  A team like Texas Tech has proven they can beat some people and that they could make some noise in this tournament.  KSU hasn't really proven that.

[bigdeal]

No, what we have proven though is that we tend to beat the teams we should better than teams like Tech or OSU.  That seems to get lost in the whole "chuck out the conference record" talk.  They have more "quality" wins but a worse record...translation, they have lost to more of the teams they should have beaten.  How come this never comes up?

[DrunkoMcGee]

No, what we have proven though is that we tend to beat the teams we should better than teams like Tech or OSU.  That seems to get lost in the whole "chuck out the conference record" talk.  They have more "quality" wins but a worse record...translation, they have lost to more of the teams they should have beaten.  How come this never comes up?

Your problem is with how the committee selects from among the bubble teams then.  It has nothing to do with what DeCourcey and Davis are saying.  Using the criteria that the selection committee uses, DeCourcey and Davis just make their best guess.

Also, just to clarify, OSU has a better overall record than KSU by half a game.  They did that playing a tougher nonconference schedule and in the tougher South division in the league.  What is going to kill Oklahoma St is the fact their road record.  They do have some good road wins though.

[ksu_FAN]

Yeah, I think we'd have a shot with a win over OU, then a win on friday, especially if its against Tech.  We'd be very much on the bubble, but have a shot.  It would take playing on sunday in OKC to be a complete lock.  

I think its funny how when a team is squarely on the bubble and the media develops a bias against them for whatever reason, it shows in how they describe that team.  For example, Seth Davis divided his bubble teams into flights yesterday and pointed out that once he looked at us he wasn't impressed then proceeded to say "we had a 1 point win against UT", almost saying we didn't win by enough. 

I'm preparing to get ready to buy tickets for another home game, but still holding out some hope.

Guys like DeCourcey and Seth Davis aren't biased against KSU.  Hell, those guys probably would like to see Huggins in the tournament because it gives them an easy story to write if KSU does anything in the dance with the recruits KSU has coming in next season.  But if you look at KSU's resume, nothing stands out as especially good except for the total number of wins.  Who KSU has beaten isn't as impressive.  All of the teams on the bubble have proven they have flaws and proven they can lose games.  The teams that separate themselves are the teams that have proven they can beat teams that are going to make the tourney.  A team like Texas Tech has proven they can beat some people and that they could make some noise in this tournament.  KSU hasn't really proven that.

Oh, I don't think its a bias toward KSU, but a bias toward teams in our situation.  They know that teams like ours don't make it most of the time and it shows in how they write about teams on the wrong side of the bubble.  I'm certainly not one of those "KSU against the world" type of guys.

[catzacker]

The only problem I have is the idea that the conference record, essentially, doesn't matter for KSU, but matters for TT...and then for OSU their OOC matters but their conference record doesn't.  TT has beaten teams it shouldn't at the same rate it's lost to teams that it shouldn't.  OSU has stumbled in their last 10 games. 

People attach this phrase next to KSU - "well, their record is because of a weak conference"...no kidding...that's why there is a top 1/3 a middle 1/3 and a bottom 1/3 in every conference....some teams separate themselves because they beat the teams they should. 

The south is not that much better than the north (atleast based on conference record)...the North (if I've done my calculations correctly) is 14-17 against the South, with 5 games remaining against each other.   Of those 5 games, I'd probably say 3 are winnanble by the North (KSU over OU, ku over UT, NU over OSU).  If that played out, the final tally would be 17-19, which doesn't quite support the assertion that the South is so much better than the North. 

[ksu_FAN]

The north/south thing is probably over done a bit, but don't look at the RPI.  North vs South average; 99 to 65.  Throw out CU and BU; 71 to 49.