Somebody explain to me..

[WildCatzPhreak]

The "Princeton" offense.  Just a short explanation.  I understand the flex, the motion, and the triangle.  But I don't know what the Princeton offense is.

[sys]

go watch the northwestern game (on now).  i love watching them play, even though they suck.

[ksu_FAN]

Its almost a 5 out motion offense combined with the 4 corner offense.  Not really a set post player and lots of screens, back door cuts, etc.  Any player can end up at any position on the floor.  Really an offense that you use when you can't recruit enough talent IMO, especially in the post.

[Joker]

The offense emphasizes constant motion, passing, back-door cuts, and disciplined teamwork.

The ball is kept in constant motion through passing until either a mismatch allows a player to cut inside to the basket or a player without the ball cuts toward the unoccupied area under and around the basket, and is passed the ball for a lay-up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton_offense

[KSt8er]

my interpretation, which is in no way based on anything I've read, just a big fan of Pete Carill (invented the offense).  
High Post (with a post player of any size and talent) with backdoor cuts and/or kickouts.  Will turn and take it to the hole for a layup off of all the motion/cuts, distribute if capable of making accurate backdoor passing.   Otherwise everyone in a motion weave.
Weave run way out high from the 3 line to draw defenders away for backdoors.
Exceptional passing.
Exceptional understanding of where to be on the floor at all times, and where everyone else would be.

Princeton offense gets talked about but the real genious was his defense.  They were usually smaller by 2 inches at least at every spot, white guys, but would shut down the best teams in the country defensively.  Fundamentally better than anyone else.  
Make EVERY posession count, which would take most teams out of their game completely.

Loved watching his teams, and his towel chewing.

[WildCatzPhreak]

thanks.

[sys]

Its almost a 5 out motion offense combined with the 4 corner offense.  Not really a set post player and lots of screens, back door cuts, etc.  Any player can end up at any position on the floor.  Really an offense that you use when you can't recruit enough talent IMO, especially in the post.

what do you think of georgetown?

[ksu_FAN]

Georgetown is an exception to the rule of teams that run it I suppose.  I haven't watched them play, but I would assume since they likely have some legit post players Thompson JR tweaks it a bit.

[KSt8er]

interesting read and link phreak, thanks.  They state that not many run it because it takes superior talent, which is a bit misleading, in that good bball savy is what it really requires.   Though I do believe it is the best offense out there, talent or no.  Give Carril the talent and they'd have a NC or two.  Okay, maybe an exageration, but not much.  

[KSt8er]

oh, that was Jokers link, by b

[Joker]

Basically what FAN said:

is often used by teams facing opponents with superior athletic talent, to maintain a low-scoring game (believing that a high-scoring game would favor the athletically-superior opponent).

[sys]

Georgetown is an exception to the rule of teams that run it I suppose.  I haven't watched them play, but I would assume since they likely have some legit post players Thompson JR tweaks it a bit.

it definitely isn´t the classic princeton look.  i´ve only seen one game, but it looked like they had hibbert in as a single post a lot.  and looking at their stats, they get a ton of offensive boards.  whatever it should be called (georgetown off?), it is killing pretty much everyone right now.

[KSt8er]

I think the Georgetown difference is they do not have the quickness it takes to run it wholly.  Frankly it does not appeal to the player that likes up-tempo play, so to keep everyone happy there has to be some variation.  It requires too much discipline for some.  That and nobody has been able to teach it like Corril could.

You have to have the defense to back up the offensive strategy or it can get ugly fast, therefore coaches who are not able to teach exceptional defense cannot rely on it for offense. 

[Joker]

Playing a modified Princeton-style offense, the Hoyas average just over 60 possessions a game, 331st out of 336 Division I teams.

Very efficient.

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/021707abl.html

[sys]

I think the Georgetown difference is they do not have the quickness it takes to run it wholly.  Frankly it does not appeal to the player that likes up-tempo play, so to keep everyone happy there has to be some variation.  It requires too much discipline for some.  That and nobody has been able to teach it like Corril could.

You have to have the defense to back up the offensive strategy or it can get ugly fast, therefore coaches who are not able to teach exceptional defense cannot rely on it for offense. 

huh.  gtown is slower than nwestern and airforce?  i also think the coaches of both those teams run their sets as well as princeton´s old teams ever did.

gtown also plays really good defense.

[KSt8er]

WOW, makes me curious as to the same stat from Carrils days.

[KSt8er]

"gtown is slower than nwestern and airforce?"  Was refering to the past type of player to play at Georgetown.  And Hibbert or whatever his name is, is about the slowest person I've seen in a long time, he has good footwork to overcome it.  Nah, Carmody is close, the others not so much.

If you ever watched the Carril teams, the defense was amazing, simply amazing what those guys could do to the likes of a Georgetown.

[sys]

i still don´t understand your comments.  other than the point about hibbert being slow.  most 7'3" guys are.

[KSt8er]

tru dat on that size guy, just sayin.  I have not seen the others running the offense this year so I can't speak to their speed, just saying that Georgetown was not a quick footed team last year, haven't seen them either this year.  With all the weaving and motion, you have to have guys that can, and want to keep it up all game.  Actually, like the article said, you have to have all 5 guys on the floor with no shortcommings at multiple aspects.  There are not many teams that have that quality.

[Joker]

Diagram of Princeton offense:

http://espn.go.com/ncb/2003/0304/1517990.html