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February 01, 2007, 09:14:45 AM
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My initial thoughts are get Hoskins and Martin rotating on Durant and put Akeem on either Augustine or Abrams.  Abrams is a great shooter and Augustine makes that offense go; we take our chances guarding Durant with help coming from everywhere and don't let Abrams and Augustine beat us.  I'm not sure how Wright would handle Durant's post up game, though you could front and provide help behind him. 

I'm sure we'll see the 1-3-1 point zone some as well.  I think it would be a "victory" if we hold Durant to 25 or less and limit Augustine and Abrams to around 10 and see if the other guys can beat us.  UT winning at Tech demonstrates how good that team can be.  Not that Tech is a world beater, but for Durant to take apart probably the best defensive coach in the league is impressive, though UT is a bad match-up for Tech.  Man I wish we could have that Tech game back.

February 01, 2007, 09:35:34 AM
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I have a feeling that we are really going to get some good ole' texas home cookin down there this weekend.  I don't think you can put Martin on him because he fouls too much.  Maybe Wright but as soon as he catches the ball it's all over because of the size advantage.  I say try to keep him outside as much as possible.  If he gets within 5 feet of the lane body him up hard and if he gets into the lane hack the f@#$ing shlt out of him and try to hurt his shoulder or make it sore.

February 01, 2007, 09:42:19 AM
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I think we'll throw a variety at him.  I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have 3 or 4 different guys guard him; Wright, Martin, Hoskins, Kent, etc.  Heck, we could put Stew on him since he's pretty much our 2nd best defender. :)

February 01, 2007, 09:44:13 AM
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Kent would probably match up decently against him but we'll need to score close to 70 to win.  I wonder if we'll see serge.  I'd love it if Bennett could shadow him but he's not athletic enough and would foul out in record time.

February 01, 2007, 09:54:28 AM
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we need to get hoskins to go right at him when we are on offense, he needs to drive the lane and see if he can draw some fouls and get him in foul trouble EARLY.  that's what I would do anyways, when playing guys like durant and oden.  I figure if we can get him with 3 fouls by halftime then we have a good chance because he won't see as much floor time.  OR we could get kevin Garnett to come back and play college b-ball for one game.


February 01, 2007, 10:04:08 AM
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February 01, 2007, 10:05:27 AM
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February 01, 2007, 10:05:40 AM
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Great point from that thread; Knight is too hard headed to try a zone which you have to throw at UT sometime if Durant is on fire.  I'm sure we'll see the 1-3-1 point thrown in there for 15-20 minutes saturday.

February 01, 2007, 10:20:25 AM
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I think it is folly to assume that anyone can do much of anything but slow Durant down.

I have a few thoughts on some possible strategies:

1.  We can't foul him.  It is pure insanity.  Against Baylor they "held" him to 9/18 shooting but he went 13/15 from the line.  He's shooting 83% on the year and he gets to the line about as much as Hoskins.  We don't want him taking more than 7-8 ft.

2.  Villanova held him to 12 points.  Some comments from the post game:

Durant came in averaging 34.0 points over the last four games and Villanova used a number of players, including the 6-foot-2 Reynolds who was giving up 7 inches, in holding him under 20 points for just the third time this season. Durant finished 4-for-15 from the field and missed all six of his shots in the second half.

"We wanted to keep our length on him and be quick so we could contain him when he out it on the floor," said Dante Cunningham, one of the players assigned to Durant and who knew him from his AAU days.

"Villanova played great team defense. It was a whole team effort," he [Durant] said. "They had two guys in my face when I got the ball and they trapped well."

3.  I think we will be forced into some kind of zone and just beg the other 4 Texas players to beat us.  I firmly believe we can out rebound Texas by a pretty good margin.  They are not a great rebounding team outside of KD and we need to take advantage of that getting second chance buckets like last night and clearing the glass on the other end.  Cartier will be key.

The idea could be rotate Colon and Bennett inside, and trap him as soon as he gets the ball.  We will need to push him off the block because it will be very difficult to double down without giving up open threes, getting him to the line or giving up a bucket before the second guy gets there.  He's a really great player, but Bennett can alter a lot of shots and pushing him out of the lane and forcing him to hit contested jumpers is a lot more fun then watching him work over people.  Cartier and Dave might be spending some time on him and trying to swat at the ball knowing that they have tons of weak side help.

4.  In the Villanova game Abrams went 5/11 from 3.  I think we have to just let that happen.  You pick your poison.  He's shooting 45% from the arc and it is just going to happen with them.  The good news was they only gave up four my points from him.  Augustin also had 25 points, he was 5/6 from 3 :eek:.  I think the lesson is that the kick-out game is less effective for them than you think and that they only have three legit scoring options and shutting down Durant is the key.  There is a reason the three of them they average a collective 54 points.

5.  If you look at the Gonzaga game it is the complete opposite of 'Nova.  In that game Durant has 29 and 9,  Mason has 17points and Augustin/Abrams are held to 7 points a piece.  Gonzaga forced Durant into 5 turnovers.  I think Huggs might go this way and try to limit Augustin and Abrams.  I think we may match up better that way, but that is a dangerous game to be playing.  Let's keep in mind Hannah just got done dropping 27 on us.  Let's also keep in mind this was the second of January before Durant realized what a monster he was.

6.  In the end, in my opinion we have to sell out to contain Durant by doubling down.  I also wonder if Huggs might throw some half court trap looks to slow Texas down.  We really can't let Augustin come into the front court with a full head of steam or he will just murder us off the dribble.

I like where we are at.  I care a ton about the game, but realize that a loss is expected and we still have some better shots down the road.  This would be huge though.  But I'm not letting myself get too excited about it......But it would be totally awesome if we won!!!
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February 01, 2007, 10:23:41 AM
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Crazy thought...but if we think he's gonna get his 30 and 15 (or so) no matter what...why not take advantage of the 20 fouls that Bennet, Afeli, Kent, and Colon have to offer?

Then, worry about shutting everyone else down.

I simply cannot wait to see how KSU does this...last night, F. Martin was telling our guys what MU was about to do on their inbounds plays...


February 01, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
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Great post Kid.  I'm hopeful to get a split on this road trip, but definately not expecting it.

Nova had a great plan for Durant, but of course that was on the road.  I think we have enough length to bother him AND their shooters, but its going to be tough.  In reality I'm sure Huggs will throw multiple things at UT/Durant.  We've had several opponents (Maric being the latest) comment on how they didn't know where the help defense was coming from b/c we mixed it up so much against them and we'll see more of the same.

Also, the 1-3-1 point is a great mix up b/c of our length and usually we can rotate to defend the perimeter.  The spot you worry about is quick ball movement and getting the ball to the short corner/low block before we can adjust.  Teams haven't been able to beat us with that much, but Augustine is a guy who can thread the needle to those spots if we don't bother him. 

Its going to be fun to see what Huggs comes up with for UT.

February 01, 2007, 10:28:26 AM
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Crazy thought...but if we think he's gonna get his 30 and 15 (or so) no matter what...why not take advantage of the 20 fouls that Bennet, Afeli, Kent, and Colon have to offer?

Then, worry about shutting everyone else down.

I simply cannot wait to see how KSU does this...last night, F. Martin was telling our guys what MU was about to do on their inbounds plays...

because he shoots 83% from the line and only shoots 48% from the field?
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February 01, 2007, 10:29:16 AM
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Anyone ever seen the triangle and 2 with a double team from the 2?

February 01, 2007, 10:30:51 AM
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Anyone ever seen the triangle and 2 with a double team from the 2?

I don't think Huggs is a "junk defense" kind of guy, but I don't know for sure. 

February 01, 2007, 10:33:24 AM
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Great post Kid.  I'm hopeful to get a split on this road trip, but definately not expecting it.

Nova had a great plan for Durant, but of course that was on the road.  I think we have enough length to bother him AND their shooters, but its going to be tough.  In reality I'm sure Huggs will throw multiple things at UT/Durant.  We've had several opponents (Maric being the latest) comment on how they didn't know where the help defense was coming from b/c we mixed it up so much against them and we'll see more of the same.

Also, the 1-3-1 point is a great mix up b/c of our length and usually we can rotate to defend the perimeter.  The spot you worry about is quick ball movement and getting the ball to the short corner/low block before we can adjust.  Teams haven't been able to beat us with that much, but Augustine is a guy who can thread the needle to those spots if we don't bother him. 

Its going to be fun to see what Huggs comes up with for UT.

I like the idea of confusing them and wasting 10 seconds or so trying to figure out whether we are in a zone or not, anything to delay their scoring.  Barnes is a smart coach though and if we do go zone their spacing will be great and with Abrams roaming free, Augustine's dribble and passing ability and Druant's size and range we are in for a tough night.  Anyone wish we had Jeremiah Massey to rack up some fouls on Durant with?
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February 01, 2007, 10:36:01 AM
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The "talking heads" I was listening to on the way in last night kept talking about how Huggins is unlike a lot of other guys in the fact that he's still putting in lots of new "wrinkles" in on the defensive end rather than the offensive end.

I can't wait to watch this...I actually like watching the defense more.


February 01, 2007, 10:40:52 AM
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The "talking heads" I was listening to on the way in last night kept talking about how Huggins is unlike a lot of other guys in the fact that he's still putting in lots of new "wrinkles" in on the defensive end rather than the offensive end.

I can't wait to watch this...I actually like watching the defense more.

In many ways Huggs coaches with a football coaches mentality.  Yeah his teams have the toughness, but he's very much an Xs and Os and film study guy as well, picking up opponents tendancies and trying to exploit it.  Many Basketball coaches focus a lot more on what their teams do than the opponents and try to "perfect" it, but I like how Huggs trys to balance that with really figuring out the opponent and taking advantage of that. 

And I agree Kid, it would be nice to have someone who can legitimately attack off the dribble and go at Durant on our end, and that is where we really miss Walker.  Don't get me wrong, Hoskins is good at scoring off the bounce, but it really has to be set up for him and if he tries to make plays on his own it leads to forced shots and TOs.  He's very good at picking his spots though, but its rarely an isolation on one guy, if he draws a foul its more on who happens to be in the way on his way to the basket.

February 01, 2007, 10:45:48 AM
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The "talking heads" I was listening to on the way in last night kept talking about how Huggins is unlike a lot of other guys in the fact that he's still putting in lots of new "wrinkles" in on the defensive end rather than the offensive end.

I can't wait to watch this...I actually like watching the defense more.
And I agree Kid, it would be nice to have someone who can legitimately attack off the dribble and go at Durant on our end, and that is where we really miss Walker.  Don't get me wrong, Hoskins is good at scoring off the bounce, but it really has to be set up for him and if he tries to make plays on his own it leads to forced shots and TOs.  He's very good at picking his spots though, but its rarely an isolation on one guy, if he draws a foul its more on who happens to be in the way on his way to the basket.

....and Kevin Durant is 6'10" and I doubt he would get his ankles broken by our friend dave.  Seriously, this game just screams for a Siebrandt/Massey flop-a-thon on D with and-1s from Massey coupled with some nice interior passing to Siebs for some 5 foot left handed rim throws on the "other guy."
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February 01, 2007, 10:59:10 AM
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I like the 1-3-1 idea with Bennett in the middle.  He has the ability to bother Durant in the paint without the wings completely collapsing into the paint and leaving Augustin and Abrams wide open for kickouts.

If Bennett can allow us to extend the zone somewhat, that might be our best option.

February 01, 2007, 11:04:13 AM
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I like the 1-3-1 idea with Bennett in the middle.  He has the ability to bother Durant in the paint without the wings completely collapsing into the paint and leaving Augustin and Abrams wide open for kickouts.

If Bennett can allow us to extend the zone somewhat, that might be our best option.

And I doubt if UT has seen anyone run a zone like ours.  The point zone concept is much different than your daddy's 2-3 concept.

February 01, 2007, 11:07:19 AM
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I like the 1-3-1 idea with Bennett in the middle.  He has the ability to bother Durant in the paint without the wings completely collapsing into the paint and leaving Augustin and Abrams wide open for kickouts.

If Bennett can allow us to extend the zone somewhat, that might be our best option.

And I doubt if UT has seen anyone run a zone like ours.  The point zone concept is much different than your daddy's 2-3 concept.

Don't forget, Barnes has looked clueless vs. zones at times, even against a basic 2-3.  How do you think Wooly almost went 3-0 at home vs. UT?

February 01, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
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Wooly even played Barnes to wire the last couple of trips to Austin.

The ut fans are looking squarely at the aTm game on Monday.  I hope some of that rubs off onto the players over the next couple of days.  I thought Baylor would sneak one from them last Saturday.
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February 01, 2007, 12:47:49 PM
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Hoskins is just as effective as massey at drawing fouls against really tall skinny guys.


February 01, 2007, 01:33:10 PM
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I dont understand the concept of just letting KD get 30 and 15. Sure, you're not going to shut him down and hold him under 10, but you can certainly slow him down into the 15 or 20 point range and maybe hope he has a bad night shooting. It seems after all his big time games the next game is much more average. I wouldnt be surprised to see some of the 1 3 1. Man to man was not working very well with Hannah, and it wont be any better with Augustine. THis team doesnt have any body that can stay in front of a jet quick quard. Wright can be effective at times against smaller guards because of his length, but when they spread out the offense and go Iso, he cant stay in front of them.
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February 01, 2007, 02:35:46 PM
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We can survive 30 from Durant like we survived 27 from Hannah -- tenacious (and hopefully consistent) defense at all points and a great focus on hitting the boards to rebound.  I sometimes sense that KSU fans think that we are going to magicallychange the way we win basketball games by re-inventing ourselves half-way through the season.  If  Durant gets 30; he'll likely get 30--but if he's the only one in double figures the uglyball has worked again.  If each time we have possession we miss two shots, have two offensive rebounds, then make one shot, we'll walk away with another 'poor shooting night' win.

February 01, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
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a huge victory would be to keep durant to about a point per attempt. 

if he wants to get his 30, let him, but make him take 25 shots or more to get there.

if he gets 30 on 15 attempts, that's what will lose the game for us.

February 01, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
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