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January 09, 2007, 11:06:49 PM
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Jeffery whats with all the football coaches leaving KSU. First the players now the coaches, to me it dodn't look good.
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A:Careful what you say in these parts, Arrestacat. Lots of people - fans - are interpreting this change as inevitable and as a sign RP and the program are moving in the right direction. I find that logic comical.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

January 09, 2007, 11:26:26 PM
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Okay . . . comical.

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January 09, 2007, 11:33:27 PM
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I think the suggestion may be that there are issues that run deeper than schemes and such.  Prince is a wacky guy.  Just how wacky is he?

January 10, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
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I think the suggestion may be that there are issues that run deeper than schemes and such.  Prince is a wacky guy.  Just how wacky is he?
Typically I would go to my super secret source to find out this info, but now that Prince has banned Robert from Vanier we are all out of luck. :frown:

January 10, 2007, 07:55:55 AM
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Attention Scuba Steven:  Big time slam job in the Eagle right now.

January 10, 2007, 12:36:47 PM
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January 10, 2007, 12:41:53 PM
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He's egging Scub on.  (grammar?)

January 10, 2007, 12:52:49 PM
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Me and Scuba are cool, I think. But, sure, this might set him off.

January 10, 2007, 12:55:36 PM
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Any word on replacements, or will most news come after the coaches convention?

January 10, 2007, 01:01:58 PM
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I think he wants to announce all of the comings and goings at once, so yeah, probably after the conference.

January 10, 2007, 01:03:48 PM
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Since I have you pinned, was your Tyree article premature?

January 10, 2007, 01:13:26 PM
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January 10, 2007, 01:15:01 PM
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Whoops, sorry.  I stopped reading at "Jeffrey".

Was Parson's article premature?

January 10, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
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Or did you change your last name from Martin to Parson?
If so, why? Scared of Prince?


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January 10, 2007, 01:27:56 PM
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Definitely not written by me. But I'm guessing it was premature, at least that's the word I hear.

January 10, 2007, 01:30:41 PM
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Me and Scuba are cool, I think. But, sure, this might set him off.

I guess I just don't get where you are coming from.  Why would you even want to write the story this way or respond the way you did in your Q&A forum?

You would think you would wait until it all shakes out to form your opinions.  In the meantime you just piss off your readers and Coach Prince if you imply things that may not be true.  No doubt this year has not been a bed of roses for this staff.  I'm sure tensions ran high at times as they do for all staffs.  Especially considering the pressure of performing out of the gate for this first year staff.  Until I see the evidence to the contrary, I am not going to think there is anything more to this than that.

As for my opinion on the coaching defections, If it ends at Horton, Morris, and Cole, I think classifying it as an "exodus" looks a little silly.  There is a post on the Wabash that sounds reasonably credible that this is the case and that those three are leaving for substantially more money and promotions.  If that is true, that's the way this business works.  If it goes deeper, I may begin to worry.  In the meantime, I'll just shake my head at Jeffrey Martin.

January 10, 2007, 01:51:47 PM
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Lets look at Rod Cole.   I could be way wrong, but KSU brought in two guys to be the Strength Coach for basketball and baseball.  Not two guys to be assistant strength and conditioning coaches that happen to focus on baseball and men's basketball.   They were brought in to be THE strength coach(es) for basketball and baseball. 

They both have their own weightrooms and their own offices in the men's basketball office in the case of Greenwalt, and in the Allen weightroom at TFS in the case of Scott Bird the baseball strength and conditioning coach.

Now I know the old mangagement chart has Greenwalt and Bird reporting to Cole, but I doubt either of them was getting much personal direction from Cole. 

There's likely no way KSU is going to try and match what A&M is going to give Rod Cole, because he's didn't have near the responsibility at KSU, that he'll likely have at A&M.     

January 10, 2007, 01:54:43 PM
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Pat Washington is leaving, too.

January 10, 2007, 02:10:38 PM
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Me and Scuba are cool, I think. But, sure, this might set him off.

I guess I just don't get where you are coming from.  Why would you even want to write the story this way or respond the way you did in your Q&A forum?

You would think you would wait until it all shakes out to form your opinions.  In the meantime you just piss off your readers and Coach Prince if you imply things that may not be true.  No doubt this year has not been a bed of roses for this staff.  I'm sure tensions ran high at times as they do for all staffs.  Especially considering the pressure of performing out of the gate for this first year staff.  Until I see the evidence to the contrary, I am not going to think there is anything more to this than that.

As for my opinion on the coaching defections, If it ends at Horton, Morris, and Cole, I think classifying it as an "exodus" looks a little silly.  There is a post on the Wabash that sounds reasonably credible that this is the case and that those three are leaving for substantially more money and promotions.  If that is true, that's the way this business works.  If it goes deeper, I may begin to worry.  In the meantime, I'll just shake my head at Jeffrey Martin.

In the Q&A he's asked his opinion....and he gave it, apparently if J-Mart's opinion doesn't agree with yours then he's wrong.  How could you not come to the conclusion that an exodus by the coaches is, in some way, directly related to working for/under Prince?  People came to this conclusion about Snyder when our assistants left to go to OU as their decisions were, in part, due to working conditions under Bill.  But if you've saddled up next to Raheem and Franklin at So Long and asked them what they thought of Prince (as a friend of mine did) and one says "Man, F him" and the other agrees, then you might think that in part their reasons for leaving was their relationship with Prince. 

January 10, 2007, 02:14:05 PM
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Caveat:  Not a huge Prince fan.

Question:  Maybe Prince wasn't happy with them because of the job they were doing??   Injuries or not, defense back slid late in the season and got worked pretty hard by ku, and over run by Rutgers (didn't exactly shut out Texas either).  Offense looked pretty inept at times when Franklin was supposedly more involved in the play calling.

January 10, 2007, 02:22:50 PM
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But if you've saddled up next to Raheem and Franklin at So Long and asked them what they thought of Prince (as a friend of mine did) and one says "Man, F him" and the other agrees, then you might think that in part their reasons for leaving was their relationship with Prince. 

Did they answer the way you described?

I'd also like to know why the only "celebrity" I ever see at So Long is Fitz.

January 10, 2007, 02:23:00 PM
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Caveat:  Not a huge Prince fan. **

Question:  Maybe Prince wasn't happy with them because of the job they were doing??   Injuries or not, defense back slid late in the season and got worked pretty hard by ku, and over run by Rutgers (didn't exactly shut out Texas either).  Offense looked pretty inept at times when Franklin was supposedly more involved in the play calling.

**neither am I.  And I don't mind the changes, I guess I have a problem with people thinking that everything is rosey and nice and our coach helps every old lady cross the street.  Bill was an aboslute prick.  He smiled and waived and said the right things, but from talking to the players while I was in college, they thought he was a prick.  I don't necessarily fault Prince for making the change (it's something Bill would/could never have done when it needed being done), but his ability to identify coaching talent might called into question.  

January 10, 2007, 02:24:05 PM
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But if you've saddled up next to Raheem and Franklin at So Long and asked them what they thought of Prince (as a friend of mine did) and one says "Man, F him" and the other agrees, then you might think that in part their reasons for leaving was their relationship with Prince. 

Actually, if that story is true, it says a lot more about Raheem Morris and James Franklin than it does about Ron Prince.

January 10, 2007, 02:25:25 PM
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But if you've saddled up next to Raheem and Franklin at So Long and asked them what they thought of Prince (as a friend of mine did) and one says "Man, F him" and the other agrees, then you might think that in part their reasons for leaving was their relationship with Prince. 

Did they answer the way you described?

Yes.  After a while of sitting around drinking at So-Long, they asked Franklin and Raheem "what do you think of Prince".  Franklin's response was "Man, F- him".  Raheem nodded in agreement.  

January 10, 2007, 02:29:56 PM
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I was totally envisioning it to be the other way around... Probably because I just see spineless when I see franklin...   

I would have figured Morris to be the more outspoken one.
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January 10, 2007, 02:34:07 PM
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Yes.  After a while of sitting around drinking at So-Long, they asked Franklin and Raheem "what do you think of Prince".  Franklin's response was "Man, F- him".  Raheem nodded in agreement.  

You do realize that James Franklin was the best man at Ron Prince's wedding, right?  Does this story really seem credible to you?  

I don't think everything is rosy in Wildcat land.  It's not rosy at my job either, but sheesh people.

January 10, 2007, 02:47:24 PM
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Yes.  After a while of sitting around drinking at So-Long, they asked Franklin and Raheem "what do you think of Prince".  Franklin's response was "Man, F- him".  Raheem nodded in agreement.  

You do realize that James Franklin was the best man at Ron Prince's wedding, right?  Does this story really seem credible to you?  

I don't think everything is rosy in Wildcat land.  It's not rosy at my job either, but sheesh people.

Oh, well, I didn't know they were BFF's.  That changes everything. 

January 10, 2007, 02:50:16 PM
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Working with family/close friends usually makes professional conflicts much, much worse, IMO.

January 10, 2007, 03:09:32 PM
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I just felt like this thread needed a visit from Captain Obvious.

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January 10, 2007, 03:47:12 PM
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Pat Washington is leaving, too.

What were your thoughts about Washington, if any?
I never really heard much about him and he kept his name out of the media quite a bit.
Trying to gauge the impact of his departure-


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