Bielema . . . .

[Saulbadguy]

. Keep, remember he WAS here at KSU already FattyMoosehawk.

Yeah, we already covered that. How did you expect us to keep him from going to a full time DC job at a top big 10 school***?

Moosehawk? Um. Ok.

***With the promise that he would end up the HC after Alvarez retires.  I'm sure there was no such deal even discussed at KSU.

I doubt he had that promise when he left KSU.

I'm thinking he did.  He was DC in the 04 season, and then at the beginning of the 05 season, Alvarez announced he would retire.

I'm thinking his badass 04 defense was responsible for the promise.  Your scenario makes sense, though, except for the part about a Big 10 school promising a LB coach a HC job without any true coordinator experience.

I thought he was our DC in 03? Or just a Co-DC?

[michigancat]

Co-DC.

[Saulbadguy]

Proving that:

1.   Snyder did KSU no favors by up and retiring seemingly out of nowhere.

2.   The idea of giving a football coach total control and running an athletic department where many important decisions run right though the head football coaches office isn't always a good thing.

So far, I think everything is working out fine.

[fatty fat fat]

He was the LB and Recruiting coordinator. There is simply no reason to fret about Bielema. At the time it seemed like Elliot was doing a great job.

[michigancat]

Proving that:

1.   Snyder did KSU no favors by up and retiring seemingly out of nowhere.

2.   The idea of giving a football coach total control and running an athletic department where many important decisions run right though the head football coaches office isn't always a good thing.

So far, I think everything is working out fine.

Compared to KSU 04-05, everything is dandy.

When you compare where KSU and Wisky were in 2003 to where they are in 2006, everything doesn't look fine at all.

[sonofdaxjones]

He was the LB and Recruiting coordinator. There is simply no reason to fret about Bielema. At the time it seemed like Elliot was doing a great job.

Elliot's entire track record as a Coordinator had been one of medicrity prior to coming to KSU.   When he had Bieleme helping him, he was fine, once Bielema was gone . . . well KSU was calling defenses at the end of games they hadn't practiced on very much.

[Racquetball_Ninja]

He was the LB and Recruiting coordinator. There is simply no reason to fret about Bielema. At the time it seemed like Elliot was doing a great job.

Elliot's entire track record as a Coordinator had been one of medicrity prior to coming to KSU.   When he had Bieleme helping him, he was fine, once Bielema was gone . . . well KSU was calling defenses at the end of games they hadn't practiced on very much.

Exactly, Elliot has never done anything special in college football.  Take a look at these stats and tell me where and when he was anything other than mediocre.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=249

[catzacker]

He was the LB and Recruiting coordinator. There is simply no reason to fret about Bielema. At the time it seemed like Elliot was doing a great job.

Elliot's entire track record as a Coordinator had been one of medicrity prior to coming to KSU.   When he had Bieleme helping him, he was fine, once Bielema was gone . . . well KSU was calling defenses at the end of games they hadn't practiced on very much.

Exactly, Elliot has never done anything special in college football.  Take a look at these stats and tell me where and when he was anything other than mediocre.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=249

In the 4 years Elliott was here, his only recruits that actually made the field and had some sort of impact were Kyle Williams and Leon Patton and both of those had an impact after Elliott was gone.  It's hindsight by us, but foresight by Alvarez.  IIRC, when Bielma left for Whisky, at the time people thought that it would probably be Elliott leaving for Whisky.  I wonder what would have happened if Indiana would have hired Elliott after the '04 season; practically everyone including the AD were lobbying him to get him the hell out of Manhattan.    In '03, even with a defense that finished 6th in the nation, you could see signs of things to come.   

[cireksu]

Bielma was an up and comer on the fast track, the OU game gave him all kinds of credibility even though I've heard that the OU game was all Elliott's game plan.