4-Star LB? No thanks, don't need him.

[chum1]

Butler linebacker Austin Panter, who was recently recognized by the NJCAA as the nation's defensive player of the year, committed to Michigan...according to his coach at Butler, K-State was never really involved in his recruitment..."I spoke with the coaches. They were looking for help at wide receiver and safety."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/kansas_state_university/16225759.htm

Thankfully, we have a ton of 3-star commits so that our recruiting experts can have something to feel good about.

[cireksu]

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not worth it.

[michigancat]

Did anyone locally take a serious look at him?

[The Manhatter]

Michigan knows best, apparently.

He didn't have a single offer from a Big 12, SEC, ACC, or Pac-10 school...but Michigan offered therefore..

Who knows how this will turn out.  Those who have watched him play don't understand the ranking or the accolades.  Of course coaches can influence that by inflating stats etc.  It's not like these JC's are on television so all of the voters can see them play.  It's sort of like picking all-state teams in high school.  Some kids get reputations or more press clippings and on the bettter teams, etc.

chum, would you have been po'd if KSU had signed him out of high school when he wasn't in the database and not ranked?  That was two years ago...I guess Michigan and 4 star has changed all of that?

[rlatta]

I saw this kid play in the regional championship game and I must say that he was the best defensive player on the field that day.  However, I don't know about 4stars.  Good, but not that good.

[chum1]

chum, would you have been po'd if KSU had signed him out of high school when he wasn't in the database and not ranked? That was two years ago...I guess Michigan and 4 star has changed all of that?

I was merely trying to point out (in an intentionally obscure kind of way) that saying "we've got the JUCO defensive POY" would sound much better than saying "we've got 16 3-star commits."  It would actually sound like something worth bragging about. 

I'm happy with or without him at any time.  Of course, I don't know anything about any of our recruits or our recruiting strategy in general, really.

[PoetWarrior]

Of course, I don't know anything about any of our recruits or our recruiting strategy in general, really.

*Stunned*

[The Manhatter]

Of course, I don't know anything about any of our recruits or our recruiting strategy in general, really.

you and me both.  None of us can figure anything out and none of us know for certain what we should do.  We could get a feel for what Snyder wanted and numbers etc. but this has been all over the place.

Along the lines of recruits w/ accolades I will say this...both Gary Chandler and Alesana(sq) are first team All-Americans.  That doesn't mean much to me but perhaps some might like it.

You have to admit that Prince got contributions from players you didn't expect in season 1 from his first class which he was handcuffed to form due to time restraints.

I wish I knew who the jc placements and greyshirts are...at least we know there will be some greyshirts since Prince admitted to that in the Mercury.

[michigancat]

I wish I knew who the jc placements and greyshirts are...at least we know there will be some greyshirts since Prince admitted to that in the Mercury.

Is there any reason to be concerned about recruits and/or their coaches being confused about their scholarship status?

[The Manhatter]

Rusty, I'm not sure about the usage of the word "concerned".

Potential JC placements would know they are possible JC Placements.  We're not going to send qualified kids to JC's.

As for greyshirts.  If there is a kid/s committed w/ only one D1 offer is it a big deal for Prince to say "we're going to pay for 5.5 years of school rather than 5 but you will just delay a semester...or you can go to a 1AA or something if you want to start now".  I bet their parents would be irate over Prince offering to pay for an additional semester. (sarcasm).

and asking kids to greyshirt goes on everywhere.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

It does seem odd that we had zero interest in Panter.  If they told the Butler coach they didn't need linebackers, knowing Archer and Diles are gone, then I guess that makes my mind ease up on the thought of who is replacing Archer and Diles.  It must mean they are pretty confident in the linebackers we have left over.

[michigancat]

As for greyshirts.  If there is a kid/s committed w/ only one D1 offer is it a big deal for Prince to say "we're going to pay for 5.5 years of school rather than 5 but you will just delay a semester...or you can go to a 1AA or something if you want to start now".  I bet their parents would be irate over Prince offering to pay for an additional semester. (sarcasm).

and asking kids to greyshirt goes on everywhere.

Cool.  It just seems like most of Snyder's greyshirts were late additions and clear greyshirts.

[The Manhatter]

Cool.  It just seems like most of Snyder's greyshirts were late additions and clear greyshirts.

Okay, and I'm not sure what that has to do w/ this year.  Recruiting is fluid and I'm sure the kids and their parents are aware of that.  Do you think it's that big of a deal if Prince goes to a kid's parents and says, "we had a few kids who didn't develop quite the way we expected so we need a few more scholarships immediately at another position."...or..."after reviewing your sons senior year we feel he may need a little bit more time to get ready for D1 so we're going to pay for an additional semester of his education."

I guess I'm lost on how greyshirting has any negative connotations of any kind regardless of when a kid committed or what they knew at the time of the commitment.  If they are "committed" to the program then they want what is best for both themselves and the program.  If they need more time then they need more time...damn if they don't get an additional semester paid for....if the program they want to see succeed has changed from April to where they might need additional help in the form of scholarships at a position other than your own there there you go.

[catzacker]

Cool.  It just seems like most of Snyder's greyshirts were late additions and clear greyshirts.

Okay, and I'm not sure what that has to do w/ this year.  Recruiting is fluid and I'm sure the kids and their parents are aware of that.  Do you think it's that big of a deal if Prince goes to a kid's parents and says, "we had a few kids who didn't develop quite the way we expected so we need a few more scholarships immediately at another position."...or..."after reviewing your sons senior year we feel he may need a little bit more time to get ready for D1 so we're going to pay for an additional semester of his education."

I guess I'm lost on how greyshirting has any negative connotations of any kind regardless of when a kid committed or what they knew at the time of the commitment.  If they are "committed" to the program then they want what is best for both themselves and the program.  If they need more time then they need more time...damn if they don't get an additional semester paid for....if the program they want to see succeed has changed from April to where they might need additional help in the form of scholarships at a position other than your own there there you go.

It's merely the pereception.  If you offerred a kid in the summer (assuming a full scholarship offer) then the real reason you come back and say "well, we'd like to give a greyshirt" is because you've found someone who you feel is better.  I could see how a kid might not like to hear that someone is better than him, when for the last 6 months it appeared as though the coaching staff thought that kid was better (because of the early offer).  The additional year of school is logical benefit, but how many times is logic really used by recruits and their families? 

[michigancat]

Cool.  It just seems like most of Snyder's greyshirts were late additions and clear greyshirts.

Okay, and I'm not sure what that has to do w/ this year.  Recruiting is fluid and I'm sure the kids and their parents are aware of that.  Do you think it's that big of a deal if Prince goes to a kid's parents and says, "we had a few kids who didn't develop quite the way we expected so we need a few more scholarships immediately at another position."...or..."after reviewing your sons senior year we feel he may need a little bit more time to get ready for D1 so we're going to pay for an additional semester of his education."

I guess I'm lost on how greyshirting has any negative connotations of any kind regardless of when a kid committed or what they knew at the time of the commitment.  If they are "committed" to the program then they want what is best for both themselves and the program.  If they need more time then they need more time...damn if they don't get an additional semester paid for....if the program they want to see succeed has changed from April to where they might need additional help in the form of scholarships at a position other than your own there there you go.

That makes sense, I just didn't know how it worked as I hadn't followed any recruiting other than Snyder's, (which I don't even follow that closely.)

[tmramrod91]

About losing this guy, not terribly concerned. No other big 12 school offered him. Granted, Michigan is Michigan, but it was odd that people werent drooling over this kid. There is obviously something that the public didnt know about, or else we woulda been all over this kid.

[chum1]

For the Dear Jeffrey thread:

[BRULL]

Wow... I didn't realize that the first semester was paid for. I thought it was an out-of-pocket expense for the recruits family. That's great though.

[opcat]

I think the reasoning is that he is a good system LB.

He may not be fast enough for this scheme - Cover2.

He may fit Michigans scheme perfectly.

[ksu778899]

Watts was a gray shirt.  I thought, too, that the first semester was out-of-pocket, and part-time student status.