Who here thinks a playoff would work in FB?

[cireksu]

Not me.

[catsfan20012002]

There's absolutely 100% NO WAY that it wouldn't work. I hear all of the anti playoff arguements and I just laugh at how stupid they are.

[fatty fat fat]

Playoffs, good. End thread.

[Saulbadguy]

They would work. Easily. 

[catsfan20012002]

No. I wanna hear why it wouldn't work and then tell you why you're wrong. I'm good at that. 

[chum1]

How the hell would it not work?  Would the brackets just end up being too difficult to figure out and the entire post-season cancelled as a result?  I guess I'd have to admit that a cancelled post-season would have to qualify as "not working."

[fatty fat fat]

OT: But I love the idea of "feed-in-consolations"

[catsfan20012002]

Ok.....Nobody is biting so I'll just come out and say it.....

The #1 reason people don't want a playoff is because it would "decrease the meaning of the regular season". I hate to burst your bubble but until recently people were talking about an Ohio State vs. Michigan rematch in the BCS Championship Game. Um.....Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that mean that the first regular season matchup on November 18 that Ohio State won 42-39 would then become meaningless?

#2. Are the bowls so important that we can't sacrafice the Papajohns.com Bowl or the New Mexico Bowl, or the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, or the Meineke Car Care Bowl, or the MPC Computers, or the International Bowl or the GMAC Bowl?

Wow.....I can hardly wait for those. 

[WildCatzPhreak]

They work in high school.  They work in D-III, D-II, D-IAA, so they can work in D-IA.  End of story.  Schools just don't want to give up the money that the bowl system provides them.

[plaincat]

They work in high school.  They work in D-III, D-II, D-IAA, so they can work in D-IA.  End of story.  Schools just don't want to give up the money that the bowl system provides them.

I think the NFL has a playoff as well.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Yeah, but who really watches the NFL anyways?   

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Ok.....Nobody is biting so I'll just come out and say it.....

The #1 reason people don't want a playoff is because it would "decrease the meaning of the regular season". I hate to burst your bubble but until recently people were talking about an Ohio State vs. Michigan rematch in the BCS Championship Game. Um.....Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't that mean that the first regular season matchup on November 18 that Ohio State won 42-39 would then become meaningless?

#2. Are the bowls so important that we can't sacrafice the Papajohns.com Bowl or the New Mexico Bowl, or the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, or the Meineke Car Care Bowl, or the MPC Computers, or the International Bowl or the GMAC Bowl?

Wow.....I can hardly wait for those. 

The "decrease the meaning of the regular season" argument is one of the most ridiculous and idiotic statements I've ever heard.  The regular season doesn't decrease in importance as long as there are no automatic bid-ins to the final 8, 10 or 12 BCS slots.  If you make everybody work to get one of those slots then every game still counts.  End of story.

[FBWillie]

You also can't argue that it takes the athletes out of the classroom too much; if it were true, then there wouldn't be the huge double standard for Basketball athletes and FB athletes.  The world might come to an end.

[catsfan20012002]

http://blogs.cjonline.com/index.php?entry=1229

Need more proof that there are way too many bowl games and that teams are being rewarded for mediocrity?

Well, if 32 bowls and 64 teams getting a shot at playing in the postseason weren’t enough, consider that more than 60 percent of the squads in Division I will finish with the necessary six wins to qualify for a bowl.

And we’re not talking about a slew of 10-win teams. Fifteen of the 119 D-I schools are 6-6 through last weekend’s games, and three more are 6-5 and could finish the season 6-6.

For those of you looking for something slightly above average, 12 teams wrapped up the regular season with a 7-5 mark and another — San Jose State — sits at 7-4.

All told, 73 Division I teams will round out the year with at least six wins. Of that total, 17 have 10 or more wins.

Hey, doesn’t Division I-AA use a 16-team playoff format? Hmmm.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Yes.  There are too many bowl games rewarding mediocrity.  How does this help with the bowls > playoffs argument?

[FBWillie]

exactly.

[cireksu]

Bowls make waaay more money for confrences, and the ncaa to ever let them go.

You want to see teams like OSU, MIch, ND and the like win the NC every year? go ahead and make a playoff system.

In a playoff system there will always be the crying of the teams that don't make it in.

YOu can't keep any of the bowls in a playoff system because fans cannot afford to travel 2-3 times to watch their team play.

Teams with large stadiums will always have homefield advantage for all the extra money.

We'll never see a playoff in D1 college football.

[Saulbadguy]

1. Bowls make lots of $$$. Playoff games would make even more.  Think of march madness, but on a much, much larger scale.
2. Why would they?  Top 16 teams make it -they are not always in the Top 16.
3. There is crying from teams who don't get BCS games now. There is crying when teams don't make it in to the title game.
4. Yes they can.  Even if the can't (they can), ticket sales aren't much of a factor in the big bowls simply due to the advertising revenue.
5. Neutral sites for all games.
6. 

[AzCat]

Most of the bowls could survive alongside a playoff.  Money isn't what's stopping a playoff, prior to the BCS fiasco a consortium offered the NCAA in excess of $1B for broadcast rights for a D-IA football playoff.  No way in hell the bowls match that sort of revenue potential.

[ksu_FAN]

The issue is this: I don't think there is any way a playoff can generate nearly as much money as the overpopulated bowl system.  

A playoff would be wonderful for results on the field, but I don't think a playoff with one or two teams involved from your confernce, plus a watered down bowl system (which would be the result if a playoff was added) would generate even close to the nearly $28 million Big 12 schools will get from bowls this year.  The bowl system is now so entrenched is going to be difficult to do away with it and maintain the revenue stream currently available (especially for BCS conferences) by going to a playoff system.  Throw out any other arguments, this is the only real one for why college football doesn't want a playoff system.

[cireksu]

"1. Bowls make lots of $$$. Playoff games would make even more.  Think of march madness, but on a much, much larger scale"


Can't do it, would take months to play out, march madness takes a month of teams playing 2 times a week.

"3. There is crying from teams who don't get BCS games now. There is crying when teams don't make it in to the title game."


That's the biggest complaint with the system we have isn't it?  That it doesn't give teams a fair chance?


"4. Yes they can.  Even if the can't (they can), ticket sales aren't much of a factor in the big bowls simply due to the advertising revenue."

I call BS, there is no way a school could take 40,000 or so fans on 3 different trips in consecutive weeks to watch their teams in the playoffs if you play at neutral sites.


"5. Neutral sites for all games"

see above.

[cireksu]

you can keep the bowls with a playoff but you will have the NIT except even more worthless.

[Saulbadguy]

Months to play out? 16 team playoff? Are you effin kidding me?

[Saulbadguy]

I call BS, there is no way a school could take 40,000 or so fans on 3 different trips in consecutive weeks to watch their teams in the playoffs if you play at neutral sites.

Just about any SEC or Big 10 school would. 

[AzCat]

Can't do it, would take months to play out, march madness takes a month of teams playing 2 times a week.

Dead wrong.  It would take exactly a month to play a 16 team playoff.  You could start a week after the stragglers finish up in late November and still have time to take two weeks off before the first playoff game *and* to finish by by New Year's Day.  

[ksu_FAN]

I'm not seeing $28 million (more if the Big 12 gets 2 BCS teams) for the Big 12 from a playoff system.  I'm sure the Big 12 and every major conference has studied it, and if they saw more money from another system they'd be clamoring for it.  I'm sure those with the most on the line have looked into it much more extensively and you simply don't see a large outcry for a playoff from anyone besides fans and some coaches.  That says something to me.

[catsfan20012002]

"1. Bowls make lots of $$$. Playoff games would make even more.  Think of march madness, but on a much, much larger scale"

Can't do it, would take months to play out, march madness takes a month of teams playing 2 times a week.

"3. There is crying from teams who don't get BCS games now. There is crying when teams don't make it in to the title game."


That's the biggest complaint with the system we have isn't it?  That it doesn't give teams a fair chance?


"4. Yes they can.  Even if the can't (they can), ticket sales aren't much of a factor in the big bowls simply due to the advertising revenue."

I call BS, there is no way a school could take 40,000 or so fans on 3 different trips in consecutive weeks to watch their teams in the playoffs if you play at neutral sites.


"5. Neutral sites for all games"

see above.

A 16 team playoff would take one month to play which could be the entire month of December. Schools are out for a chunk of December anyway

8 teams per conference make the NBA playoffs, the division winners plus the wildcard make the MLB playoffs, 8 teams per conference make the Stanley Cup playoffs and the division winners plus two wildcards make the NFL playoffs.....No more no less. Those are the rules. Period. Teams #9, #5, #9 and #7 are just left out and that's the way it is.

[catsfan20012002]

Or you could play it in January and have the Championship Game on the Saturday before the Super Bowl.

[AzCat]

you can keep the bowls with a playoff but you will have the NIT except even more worthless.

As it is there are too many bowl games so losing a few really wouldn't be much of an issue.  But there are ways to ramp up attendance at the early-round playoff games.  E.g., play the remaining bowls and early-round playoffs at the same sites a couple of days apart, *lots* of college football fans would come for one and see the other while they were in town.  Heck you could even sell the playoff tickets only as a package with the bowl tickets.  Starving college students wouldn't like it but everyone else would pony up albeit after a bit of grumbling.  Or, if keeping attendance up at the playoff sites is the issue, play the playoffs at the higher seeded team's home field for the first couple of rounds then once you're down to the final four play two consecutive weekends at the championship location.  

[catsfan20012002]

Maybe I dont know all of the answers but what I do know is that Division I-AA, II and III (and their fans and "students"/athletes) make it work so.....We can make it work.