We should be ranked if NU is ranked.

[opcat]

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1050811

rivals sucks ****

[bam8485]

 Ya there is no reason why we should be ranked.

[LesMiserables]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

[most likely, jesuuuus]

I agree w Opcat.

[cooter]

agree, we should be ranked at all.  What do we have besides DT.  we have alot of "well this guy is gonna be good someday"

[Dick Knewheizel]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

Pretty sure uk only finished 5-7 last year.  Also, uk aspires to be in the top 50 in recruiting, they don't struggle to stay in it.

FYI - the "we" refers to K-State, so only comments referring to the Katz are appropriate in this thread

[KSUTOMMY]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

This is going to hurt... but I agree 100% with the above statement. We have no business being ranked.

[85catbacker]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

Using the rivals dept charts, KSU has 12 starters returning, NU has 16 returning starters.  What is interesting is the specific individuals not returning:

NU- Suh, Turner, Dillard, Asante, O'Hanlon, Hickman. 5 on D, one OL.
KSU - Fitzgerald, Stringer, Houlick, Gregory, Banks, Mastrud, Moore, Calvin, Pomelle, Harrison.  4 on O, 6 on D.

Looking at this, KSU has more numbers to replace, but NU has more production that has to be replaced.

I have no problem with NU being ranked in the preseason.  However, I think #5 and the highest Big 12 team is way to high.  NU has some big shoes to fill and most of the returning starters are on an offense that was not very good last year. I'm not ready to say that NU is in the "re-load" category with significant depth where they will be better than UT and OU.

There is no reason KSU should be even close to any pre-season ranking discussion and they have a lot to prove during the season before they can even expect to be in the others getting votes category. I'm hopeful that some new guys, good coaching, and additional time in the system, will result in a better year in 2010, but I going to reserve my enthusiasm until I see some results on the field.

[JTKSU]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

Wow, you can actually smell the jealousy oozing from this post.

[opcat]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

lez

[most likely, jesuuuus]

Opcat, I am confused. Are you calling Snyds a lez?

[MadCat]

lezendary

[Andy]

lol at ranking a team in the top 5 w/o a qb

[PoetWarrior]

Go check out the new board, opcat.

[Dick Knewheizel]

Yeah, a 10-3 team returning 17 starters is pretty similar to a 6-6 team returning 11....especially when the former has consistently had recruiting classes in the top 25 and the latter has struggled to stay in the top 50-60.   Of course, none of that accounts for the EMAW factor, or the awesomeness of KSU's geriatric coach. 

Using the rivals dept charts, KSU has 12 starters returning, NU has 16 returning starters.  What is interesting is the specific individuals not returning:

NU- Suh, Turner, Dillard, Asante, O'Hanlon, Hickman. 5 on D, one OL.
KSU - Fitzgerald, Stringer, Houlick, Gregory, Banks, Mastrud, Moore, Calvin, Pomelle, Harrison.  4 on O, 6 on D.

Looking at this, KSU has more numbers to replace, but NU has more production that has to be replaced.

I have no problem with NU being ranked in the preseason.  However, I think #5 and the highest Big 12 team is way to high.  NU has some big shoes to fill and most of the returning starters are on an offense that was not very good last year. I'm not ready to say that NU is in the "re-load" category with significant depth where they will be better than UT and OU.

There is no reason KSU should be even close to any pre-season ranking discussion and they have a lot to prove during the season before they can even expect to be in the others getting votes category. I'm hopeful that some new guys, good coaching, and additional time in the system, will result in a better year in 2010, but I going to reserve my enthusiasm until I see some results on the field.

This.  

Guys we'll miss:
Moore, Stringer, and maybe Banks.   Given our track record with return men, not too worried about Banks.  I'm also confident we have the talent to replace Stringer.  However, our CB's appear sucky (Harrison didn't play much anyways) so that will need to drastically improve.  Pray to god that we find two guys that can play CB.

Guys that were good, but we'll be okay:
Fitz will be replaced by Harold, and it sounds like the train of DT's we brought in we replace Calvin.  I liked GG's effort, but surely there's a better QB out there.  Mastrud plays TE, and TE is a pretty easy position to replace.

The rest of the guys were liabilities on the field, the only question is whether or not the guys replacing them are at least as good.  If they are better, we're in better shape.

Nebraska ranked #5 is about as dumb as uk being ranked last season.  They lose some serious impact players on Defense in Suh, Asante, and Dillard.  They also, blow @ss at offense and there is no indication they'll be any better.  If they lose the punter/kicker they're even more f*cked than originally thought.

Not saying we should be ranked, but NU at #5 is an all out joke.

[Wildcat09]

Why should we worry or be concerned with what Nebraska, or what any other school is doing? Who cares what ku does..Who cares if Nebraska is ranked. How does that impact our striving to return to respectability? We need to worry about what Kansas State is/isn't doing. We need to worry how Kansas State is recruiting. We need to stop worrying about all this other junk going on, and work on being better. Because if we get back to where we want to be, we won't care what ku does, or where Nebraska is ranked, because we'll win every year.

[yoman]

You do know that Nebraska won the Holiday Bowl 33-0 over a pretty decent Arizona team right? Oh and they were also 3 points away from a BCS bowl. Just Sayin'

[85catbacker]

Why should we worry or be concerned with what Nebraska, or what any other school is doing? Who cares what ku does..Who cares if Nebraska is ranked. How does that impact our striving to return to respectability? We need to worry about what Kansas State is/isn't doing. We need to worry how Kansas State is recruiting. We need to stop worrying about all this other junk going on, and work on being better. Because if we get back to where we want to be, we won't care what ku does, or where Nebraska is ranked, because we'll win every year.

I think LSnyder is doing exactly what you are saying and more.  On an internet message board, I think we can discuss our opponents without consequences to the FB team either good and bad.

[vanro031]

Is Snyder looking for his replacement? Any time-frame on how long he wants to coach?

[CatsNChiefs]

Is Snyder looking for his replacement?

One can only hope.

[MadCat]

Is Snyder looking for his replacement? Any time-frame on how long he wants to coach?

I think there's 4 years left on the contract and a grandson that could be with us for 4 to 6, FWIW.

[thehusker1]

1st off, K-State will probably be ranked by year's end.  Snyder is that good of a coach.  Nebraska top 5?  Maybe not that high.  Top 10 for sure tho.  And yes, Nebraska is probably the cream of the Big 12 next year.  Who else is?  Offense sucks?  Yes it DID.  10 returning starters is always a good thing, not to mention a quarterback that will have an elbow to throw with.  I know, big bad Suh is gone, but that spot will be filled in, but not replaced. secondary will be a blanket again, even without Ohanlon and Asante.  They will be replaced by guys who have spent both their years under the Pelinis WITHOUT carryover habits from Cosgrove.  Kansas? they just suck.  Stick to basketball.  Poor Turner, it'll be a perenial 5-6 win era at ku.

[Dick Knewheizel]

1st off, K-State will probably be ranked by year's end.  Snyder is that good of a coach.  Nebraska top 5?  Maybe not that high.  Top 10 for sure tho.  And yes, Nebraska is probably the cream of the Big 12 next year.  Who else is?  Offense sucks?  Yes it DID.  10 returning starters is always a good thing, not to mention a quarterback that will have an elbow to throw with.  I know, big bad Suh is gone, but that spot will be filled in, but not replaced. secondary will be a blanket again, even without Ohanlon and Asante.  They will be replaced by guys who have spent both their years under the Pelinis WITHOUT carryover habits from Cosgrove.  Kansas? they just suck.  Stick to basketball.  Poor Turner, it'll be a perenial 5-6 win era at ku.

FYI - secondaries always look good when the opposing team's QB is running for his life.

Other than Suh and my favorite player Asante, your biggest loss is that kicker/punter that pinned the Cats inside the 5 3x

[Gimmered]

1st off, K-State will probably be ranked by year's end.  Snyder is that good of a coach.  Nebraska top 5?  Maybe not that high.  Top 10 for sure tho.  And yes, Nebraska is probably the cream of the Big 12 next year.  Who else is?  Offense sucks?  Yes it DID.  10 returning starters is always a good thing, not to mention a quarterback that will have an elbow to throw with.  I know, big bad Suh is gone, but that spot will be filled in, but not replaced. secondary will be a blanket again, even without Ohanlon and Asante.  They will be replaced by guys who have spent both their years under the Pelinis WITHOUT carryover habits from Cosgrove.  Kansas? they just suck.  Stick to basketball.  Poor Turner, it'll be a perenial 5-6 win era at ku.

FYI - secondaries always look good when the opposing team's QB is running for his life.

Other than Suh and my favorite player Asante, your biggest loss is that kicker/punter that pinned the Cats inside the 5 3x

Yes Alex Henery will be missed in 2012. Hopefully he will have a great Senior season next year.

[BMWJhawk]

Nebraska will be a completely different team next year without Suh.  Their QB situation is shaky at best.  I don't see any way Nebraska is better next season.

[Gimmered]

Nebraska will be a completely different team next year without Suh.  Their QB situation is shaky at best.  I don't see any way Nebraska is better next season.

And a year ago you would have believed that Nebraska would have had one of the top defenses in 2009 and that Kansas would totally suck?