Frank's extension

[AzCat]

Currie should wait until the end of the year and then make a move.  Things look fan-freaking-tastic now, but I remember all the "lock-up Prince" talk after he beat texas in Austin.

What a complete load of crap. 

Anyone watching Ron Prince's teams would have noted extremely uneven performances and that the wins were of the "done with mirrors" variety and involved a lot of non-repeatable trickery & lucky bounces.  Further Prince recruited strictly sub-major talent & a bunch of shrimps who would've been lucky to have been allowed to walk on at most majors.

Frank's teams win because they brutalize opponents, it's very clearly a reflection of Frank's style and intensity.  Note that this is the polar opposite of Ron's approach.  Ron promised the moon and delivered a big bag of crap, Frank promises only that he'll ride his players mercilessly until they  play the game his way.  And he recruits legitimate DI talent, another big difference from RP.

Ron Prince was the Barack Obama of college sports:  all bullcrap no substance and in waaay over his head.  Frank is exactly the opposite: all substance, no bullcrap.  K-State fans *REALLY* need to learn to recognize the difference.  Waiting until the end of the season pretty much guarantees that Frank's next deal will be in the $2M/year range ... and that it won't be at KSU. 

If we want to keep Frank here we need to ride Currie the way Frank rode Jake during his freshman season. 

[mcmwcat]

Some of this goes back to the gift that keeps giving: Bob Krause.

He locked Snyder into that contract, which raised everyone's eyebrows - $1.85 million per year? Then, what you essentially did, was blow the salary structure out of whack. K-State isn't Texas, where almost $8 million is tied into salaries for the football coach ($5 million per) and the basketball coach ($2.2 million). It's not OU, OSU, etc. Even in the North, it feels it's not ku (both coaches at $2 million annually) or MU (not sure what Anderson is making, but Pinkel is over $2 million).

As we all know by now, K-State likes to do things on the cheap. The school isn't going to pay its football coach and basketball coach a combined $3.5-4 million. Not going to happen. And with the Prince saga yet to be resolved, the current athletic director is going to ride the fiscal responsibility/restraint train because he thinks that will appease the masses. But what he doesn't realize is that K-Staters are also fair, and they - at least most of you - believe that Frank deserves a substantial raise.

If Bill truly loves KSU, he should work for like 900k.  But Bill only loves Bill.

he should work for free at least until he gets us to a bowl game.

[enjoytheNeujahr]

 pay Frank, love Frank


p.s. in your sig line it appears that there was a large spike in gov spending in the 40's why was that.  Was that an attempt to rescue the country from a devastating economic recession?  

[ltrain37]

pay Frank, love Frank


p.s. in your sig line it appears that there was a large spike in gov spending in the 40's why was that.  Was that an attempt to rescue the country from a devastating economic recession?  

Maybe that should be our new chant instead of Well Done/Good Job or whatever...

"Pay Frank"

Or "We love/want Frank"

[berford]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

[catzacker]

ku   3M
UT   2M
MU   1.55M
OSU   1.3M
A&M   1.2M
OU   1.05M
CU   800k
NU   800K
KSU   760K
ISU   650k
BU   unkown
TT   unkown


...yeah, so f'ing pay Frank 1.3M and call this thing good.   He's done nothing but finish there, might want to pay him like it.  especially considering the OOD is filled more than it has been for the last 20 years.  F you Currie.  Go get money.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

Right...

[kougar24]

ku   3M
UT   2M
MU   1.55M
OSU   1.3M
A&M   1.2M
OU   1.05M
CU   800k
NU   800K
KSU   760K
ISU   650k
BU   unkown
TT   unkown


...yeah, so f'ing pay Frank 1.3M and call this thing good.

Exactly. All this talk about "fiscal responsibility" cracks me up, considering that nothing stops donations faster than losing, while nothing brings them in faster than winning.

This isn't rocket science.

[steve dave]

ku   3M
UT   2M
MU   1.55M
OSU   1.3M
A&M   1.2M
OU   1.05M
CU   800k
NU   800K
KSU   760K
ISU   650k
BU   unkown
TT   unkown


...yeah, so f'ing pay Frank 1.3M and call this thing good.   He's done nothing but finish there, might want to pay him like it.  especially considering the OOD is filled more than it has been for the last 20 years.  F you Currie.  Go get money.

Yeah, he deserves more than Ford and less than Anderson at this point.  If Currie waits, and we make a late run in the tourney, he deserves more than Anderson and Currie missed what was probably a golden opportunity to wrap him up for less.  

[JohnnyUtah]

Scot Drew   >$600,000
Jeff Bzdelik    $800,000
Greg McDermott $650,000
Frank Martin  $760,000
Bill Self     $3,000,000
Mike Anderson $860,000
Doc Sadler    $800,000
Travis Ford   $1,300,000
Jeff Capel   $1,050,000
Mark Turd   $1,200,000
Pat Knight   $ Median Big 12 salary < - - - interesting
Rick Barnes  $2,000,000

I have no idea how accurate or reliable these are but they seem to be close.
http://nextyearsteam.com/index.php?option=com_jreviews&Itemid=180

[cireksu]

If he doesn't have an extension by the end of big 12 play someone ought to burn down Anderson Hall.

[sys]

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

are you retarded?

[berford]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

Right...

Given K-State's history with giving relatively new untried coaches significant raises...

Yes, right...
 

[fatty fat fat]

Why do you think Currie is a smart dude? The guy seems like a tard, honestly.

[berford]

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

are you retarded?

Are you 11?

[BostonPancake]

Are mid season extensions that common??

Also, it is extremely   and to see that Bzzzz and Doc make more than Frank.

[catzacker]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

Right...

Given K-State's history with giving relatively new untried coaches significant raises...

Yes, right...
 

you're clueless if you think Frank = Ron.  I mean, you just have absolutely no idea if you think this. 

[Rick Daris]

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

are you retarded?

 

[Chingon]

I honestly don't know the answer, but is Frank even making more than Asbury or Wooly did yet?

[steve dave]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes.  

[montywildcat]

J-Mart, thanks for the info, but why today?

[steve dave]

J-Mart, thanks for the info, but why today?

Because there is no longer any excuse (Though I would argue there was already no excuse)

[JohnnyUtah]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes. 

Seriously though if K-State is monitoring GPC and taking their opinion, then there is absolutely no hope...   for any amount of sustained success in anything related to K-State.

[KSUWizard]

pay Frank, love Frank


p.s. in your sig line it appears that there was a large spike in gov spending in the 40's why was that.  Was that an attempt to rescue the country from a devastating economic recession?  

This would be the effort to defeat the one known as Hitler in WWII, pull out a history book.  And yes, it did pull us out of the great depression with all the war time spending. 

I would like to see Frank stay right here for as long as possible.  Time to find some money Currie, because other universities will if we dont.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes.  

Well, word is Fitz is going to write something to the same or similar effect soon enough, and then the GPC flock will be moved to action. Maybe.

[steve dave]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes. 

Seriously though if K-State is monitoring GPC and taking their opinion, then there is absolutely no hope...   for any amount of sustained success in anything related to K-State.

Well, given our admin's constant excuse of being poor I doubt they have premium

[Jeffrey_Martin]

J-Mart, thanks for the info, but why today?

Because it's absurd that something hadn't been worked out already, and after last night, it's literally laughable. You talk about ambassadors of programs? Frank Martin IS K-State. No reason not to lock the man up long-term.

[K-ST8ED]

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes.  
[/quote]

Yes that was me that started that. I hope J- Mart doesn't mind me passing this info on. I have met J- Mart in OKC last year and said hello to him at the KatPak in Vegas, so I didn't think he would mind. Let me know if you do J-Mart and I will delete the thread.

[kougar24]

J-Mart, thanks for the info, but why today?

Because it's absurd that something hadn't been worked out already, and after last night, it's literally laughable. You talk about ambassadors of programs? Frank Martin IS K-State. No reason not to lock the man up long-term.

To be fair, it's not really absurd that a deal isn't in place yet. It would be absurd if we're trying to short-change him and dragging our feet purposefully, however.

[sys]

Why do you think Currie is a smart dude? The guy seems like a tard, honestly.

kstaters have an amazing capacity to believe whatever they want to believe.

available evidence that currie is smart:  1)  responds promptly to email.  2)  
available evidence that currie isn't smart:  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he's a dumbass.


available evidence that martin is happy at kstate:  none.
available evidence that martin isn't happy at kstate:  1)  his salary is an insult, 2)  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he has one foot out the door.