offensey offensey

[pissclams]

Good talking point from Petro this morning- 50% of our scoring comes from pullen/clemente comboPAK.

Terrible, I hope they shoot well every game from here on out.

[mcmwcat]

sucks having 2 guards that can fill up score sheet at any given moment

[catdude33]

Denis and Jake are averaging 33.3 pts combined.  We are scoring 81.2 per game.  Not 50%.   

[pissclams]

Was at Chipolte, didn't run the numbers, blame it on Petro, dumbasses.

LMAO Chad Rogers loves you dolts...

[pencat]

Good talking point from Petro this morning- 50% of our scoring comes from pullen/clemente comboPAK.

Terrible, I hope they shoot well every game from here on out.

Actually they are scoring 40.7% of teams points.

At UW the two top scorers are at 48.8%
At Duke the top two scorers are at 42.6%
At UNC the top two scorers are at 36%

This Petro fellow needs to do his homework.

[ksu_FAN]

Point is still valid, we need more from Judge/Kelly and even Jam-Sam on a consistent basis.  Petro was a little over the top with his "could Judge be a bust?" talk, but he made good points.

[pissclams]

Its not about two dudes making up 40% of scoring LOL, _FAN got the point Petro was making

[mcmwcat]

what's the point?  the offense is the awesomest it's been since i started following ksu hoops 20 years ago?  i agree 

[ksu_FAN]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

[mcmwcat]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.

[catdude33]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.

qft.  And that's with them playing very limited minutes in a couple games.  These are not good talking points.

[CrushNasty]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

So we're going to score about 60 points per game if Pullen/Clemente aren't close to 50% of our scoring, w/ maybe 15 coming outside of them or the CK/WJ/JS 25 point trio (prob RM/DS mostly).

They need to avg 30+ between them for us to be good this year, one needs to have 20+ and the other 10+ on most nights.... I don't see how this too concerning

[ksu_FAN]

I just want them to be more consistent.  Perhaps I'm a bit concerned b/c against WSU we had 13 points and 10 boards from those guys.  And I low-balled the numbers and Crushnasty is probably right, 30 points is probably a better target.  

There are going to come games where running out Ojeleye and Merri doesn't work b/c Pullen and Clemente aren't lighting it up.  Especially when we get on the road in this league.  This was the reason we weren't an NCAA tournament last year, and IMO we have a chance to be only a slightly better version of that team if we don't get a little more production (on a consistent basis) from out best 3 bigs (including Sam as a big even if he does play the 3 some).  

Then when you get a good offensive game from Sutton and/or the frosh guards hit some shots its gravy and it puts you over the top.  Our base has to be Pullen/Sutton AND Kelly/Judge/Samuels, not one or the other.  So far this season its been one or the other, if we can get both we can be a very good basketball team.

[pencat]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.

Nicely played

[mcmwcat]

JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

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I just want them to be more consistent.  Perhaps I'm a bit concerned b/c against WSU we had 13 points and 10 boards from those guys.  And I low-balled the numbers and Crushnasty is probably right, 30 points is probably a better target.  

There are going to come games where running out Ojeleye and Merri doesn't work b/c Pullen and Clemente aren't lighting it up.  Especially when we get on the road in this league.  This was the reason we weren't an NCAA tournament last year, and IMO we have a chance to be only a slightly better version of that team if we don't get a little more production (on a consistent basis) from out best 3 bigs (including Sam as a big even if he does play the 3 some).  

Then when you get a good offensive game from Sutton and/or the frosh guards hit some shots its gravy and it puts you over the top.  Our base has to be Pullen/Sutton AND Kelly/Judge/Samuels, not one or the other.  So far this season its been one or the other, if we can get both we can be a very good basketball team.

Let me get this straight.  If our players play well, then we are a better basketball team?  And if our players don't score or rebound as much, then we are a worse basketball team?  Good point. 

[Rick Daris]

mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.

[pissclams]

JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.  sad you can't recognize that    mcmwku fan ?  LMA( )

[ksu_FAN]

We need 25 points and 20 boards from the Kelly/Judge/Samuels trio if we want to be better than .500 in this league.  Just sayin'.

they average 27 pts and 17 rbs currently so it looks like we are in pretty shape.

Nicely played

I won't disagree that it was.  

But I don't see how anyone can't see we aren't getting consistent performances out of this group.

Samuels has been the most consistent, but he's still had 2 games where he scored 2 and 4 points respectively.  Still, he's played like an 11 point and 6 board guy which is what I expect from him.  

And I agree a bit with Petro, Judge has been a bit of a disappointment so far, but I'm not concerned.  For certain IMO he has to be more than a 4.5-3.6 guy for us, those numbers probably need to be about double that.  Granted, he's only playing 15 mpg right now, but even with those minutes he needs to produce a bit more.  

I think we all know about Kelly and trying to wake him up.  And I think Kelly's numbers are a bit inflated from the first 4 games, I don't think he's played like an 11-7 guy lately.  He's probably the one we need to step up the most b/c he's an experienced player.

Again, I am probalby going to far, but I still think Petro's point about production from our bigs is fair, especially Kelly and Judge.  Those guys just need to prove to be more "bought in" and therefore consistent players for this team to reach the expectations most of us have.  

[michigancat]

I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents.  I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact.  Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO.  (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).

And that frontcout passing!  

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JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.  sad you can't recognize that    mcmwku fan ?  LMA( )

So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 

[pissclams]

mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.

ya, himself.  LMAO.    

I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents.  I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact.  Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO.  (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).

And that frontcout passing!  

yup

JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.  sad you can't recognize that     mcmwku fan ?  LMA( )

So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 

it's called balanced scoring, dumbass.   and CK is not a first year player.  dumbass.   
no one here said it was a bad thing to have guards that can score.  dumbass.   

[ksu_FAN]

JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.  sad you can't recognize that    mcmwku fan ?  LMA( )

So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 

No one said that relying on guards is bad.  But this team relying on guards with inconsistent post play is a .500 Big 12 team.  That's all I'm saying.  If that's what this team is, so be it.

[dobbie4ksu]

So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 
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Bext guard nickname of all time

[1/64th]

mcmwcat absolutely embarassing people here.

ya, himself.  LMAO.    

I think Clemente and Pullen are above average, but I think our front line has the potential to be better, relative to our opponents.  I, too would like to see the bigs more involved in offense because of this fact.  Kelly at the block, Samuels at the wing against a 4, Judge in transition, etc. create bigger problems for teams than what ClemPull can create, IMO.  (Although Pullen has improved a ton on offense).

And that frontcout passing!  

yup

JS/CK/WJ consistency will come from them defending and rebounding.  otherwise they won't be in the game long enough to build any rhythm or consistency on the other end.  thus the issue with those 3 lie on the defensive end.

it's a problem when you rely on undersized streaky shooting guards to carry your offense from beyond the 3 pt line.  sad you can't recognize that     mcmwku fan ?  LMA( )

So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 

it's called balanced scoring, dumbass.   and CK is not a first year player.  dumbass.   
no one here said it was a bad thing to have guards that can score.  dumbass.   

Methinks I caught a little nerve there pclams.  Take it easy bro.  I know what balanced scoring is.  I'm not a fan, or at least not as much as you apparently.  CK is playing his first year for Kansas State and has really not "bought in" 100% so I classify him as first year.  Get over it.  And yes, no came right out and said it but you and _Fan are clearly against scoring guards.  It's obvious.   

Answer this question:  Would you rather have 4 guys average 10 ppg or one avg 20, one avg 10 and two avg 5.  In the end, it doesn't really matter as long as the ball goes in the hole.  Balanced scoring is so fracking overrated.  It's a very SLTH of you all to love anyway. 

[michigancat]

FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring.  I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.

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So instead we should rely on two first year players (CK/WJ) who have shown no ability to be reliable/steady and who have shown no ability to score the way our guards can.  Good plan.   

I love when people are so against guards scoring for no reason at all.  "guards are streaky shooters" they say.  Guess what, CK/WJ are streaky people in general so......which do you choose. 
I choose Jacnis Pullemente!!!! 

I will now be using this whenever refering to our backcourt.  And thank you.  Not gonna lie, I'm pretty proud of it.   

Bext guard nickname of all time
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[ksu_FAN]

FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring.  I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.

Well said Rusty.  That's really I'm trying to say as well. 

[pissclams]

FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring.  I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.

this is a very well written post.  i shouldn't draw the line in the sand w/ balanced scoring b/c i don't care about that all that much but what's important is not relying on dumbass guards to carry the team on the offensive end.

so forget balanced scoring.  dumbf^cks.   

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FWIW, I could care less about balanced scoring.  I just want us to exploit our best matchup advantages as often as possible, and our bigs will provide it more than ClemPull.

this is a very well written post.  i shouldn't draw the line in the sand w/ balanced scoring b/c i don't care about that all that much but what's important is not relying on dumbass guards to carry the team on the offensive end.

so forget balanced scoring.  dumbf^cks.   

LOLL!!!  You crack me up dood.  I knew you were just against scoring guards all along!!  I still  you though.