how many more

[Rick Daris]

games do you guys think we woulda won this year if GG never would have come to mhk. obvious ones that he lost for us were lala and then probably mizzou and nubb. that would make 8 or possibly even 9 wins total. thoughts?

[KSUTOMMY]

IMHO, we would have done a LOT worse if he hadn't come. Do you honestly thing that Carson "Short hop TE who is wide open at 10yds" Coffman  would have been our savior?

[Rick Daris]

IMHO, we would have done a LOT worse if he hadn't come. Do you honestly thing that Carson "Short hop TE who is wide open at 10yds" Coffman  would have been our savior?

Q. what games did gregory "win" for us?

A. none

[FormerKCCat]

IMHO, we would have done a LOT worse if he hadn't come. Do you honestly thing that Carson "Short hop TE who is wide open at 10yds" Coffman  would have been our savior?

Q. what games did gregory "win" for us?

A. none

Played decently ("won") Farmageddon I, no?

[mikeycat]

we would have LOST at least 2 more.

Gregory may suck, but Coffman sucks more.

[ksu_FAN]

If Snyder had "bit the bullet" and put in GG at Louisi and left him in there (and not removed him after 2 passes), mainly running QB draws, DT, with an occasional PAP, we win that game. 

I mean this was GG's series there:

K 1-10 L41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 04:26.
  K 1-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete (Moore, Sharrick).
  K 2-10 L41   Gregory, Grant rush quarterback draw for 5 yards to the UL36 (Zanders,
               Antwyn).
  K 3-5  L36   PENALTY KS false start (Stringer, Nick) 5 yards to the UL41.
  K 3-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OL pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 4-10 L41   Fulhage, D.J. punt 36 yards to the UL5, downed.

Not leaving him in the game was Bill's biggest mistake of the season IMO.  If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

[5601js]

We would have totally had the second place tractor at Farmageddon without GG. Everyone gives credit to Lamur for the block (and EL, it was badass, thank you for that), but there is no way CC makes the spin move and finds BB for the go ahead touchdown.

[fatty fat fat]

If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

And life would be one million times better.

[WildcatNkilt]

GG helped our run game.  Without him, it would either be a CC pass attempt or a DT run.  GG also didn't have a big arm, but at least he kept the Defense "somewhat" honest.

CC runs like a 13 year old girl with big feet.  (Picture it)  

In conclusion, I think we would have won 3 games without GG.  Iowa St. would have been a loss.  Also probably CU and ku.  

[Oklahoma_Cat]

[FelixRex]

We would have totally had the second place tractor at Farmageddon without GG. Everyone gives credit to Lamur for the block (and EL, it was badass, thank you for that), but there is no way CC makes the spin move and finds BB for the go ahead touchdown.

agreed. And I want nothing to do with that bitter silver tractor.

[cireksu]

If Snyder had "bit the bullet" and put in GG at Louisi and left him in there (and not removed him after 2 passes), mainly running QB draws, DT, with an occasional PAP, we win that game. 

I mean this was GG's series there:

K 1-10 L41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 04:26.
  K 1-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete (Moore, Sharrick).
  K 2-10 L41   Gregory, Grant rush quarterback draw for 5 yards to the UL36 (Zanders,
               Antwyn).
  K 3-5  L36   PENALTY KS false start (Stringer, Nick) 5 yards to the UL41.
  K 3-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OL pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 4-10 L41   Fulhage, D.J. punt 36 yards to the UL5, downed.

Not leaving him in the game was Bill's biggest mistake of the season IMO.  If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

this

[pissclams]

the only game that GG "won" for K-State was the Colorado game.  and that was all because the CU nickle back slipped and GG made a lucky throw which was supposed to be to the slot receiver but instead it got caught by our wide out.

i honestly believe that had snyder stuck it out with Carson, this team goes 10-2 (loss to CU and fluke loss goes to ku but it's both QB's fault so I can't blame GG for fluke ku loss).

too bad, as usual, that snyder took the quick pain medicine instead of just taking the lumps and winning with CC. 

[Rick Daris]

the only game that GG "won" for K-State was the Colorado game.  and that was all because the CU nickle back slipped and GG made a lucky throw which was supposed to be to the slot receiver but instead it got caught by our wide out.

i honestly believe that had snyder stuck it out with Carson, this team goes 10-2 (loss to CU and fluke loss goes to ku but it's both QB's fault so I can't blame GG for fluke ku loss).

too bad, as usual, that snyder took the quick pain medicine instead of just taking the lumps and winning with CC. 

hmmm. i will add that GG almost lost that game for us by making a bad option pitch inside the 5 yd line in the 4th quarter and almost allowing cu to come back.

as for the "we woulda won lala game w/ grant" crowd. no. just no. you are misremembering that game or something. carson was much better that game and our passing game under cc was why we put up points in the second half.

also, how many times did the ball get batted at los against nebraska? 5? 6? 7? carson is like a half of a foot taller then gg w/ a stronger and more accurate arm.


you ggtards crack me up. gg for president! lmao.

[Tannoudji]

Well if we ever needed anymore evidence that this board is full of kids scarfing down dummy pills, then this takes the cake.

Grant Gregory probably gave more (of what he had) to this team than any quarterback in KSU history.

Shameful thread and should be locked down.

[Rick Daris]

If Snyder had "bit the bullet" and put in GG at Louisi and left him in there (and not removed him after 2 passes), mainly running QB draws, DT, with an occasional PAP, we win that game. 

I mean this was GG's series there:

K 1-10 L41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 04:26.
  K 1-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete (Moore, Sharrick).
  K 2-10 L41   Gregory, Grant rush quarterback draw for 5 yards to the UL36 (Zanders,
               Antwyn).
  K 3-5  L36   PENALTY KS false start (Stringer, Nick) 5 yards to the UL41.
  K 3-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OL pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 4-10 L41   Fulhage, D.J. punt 36 yards to the UL5, downed.

Not leaving him in the game was Bill's biggest mistake of the season IMO.  If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

hmmm. you do know that gg played more than one series that game right? he also threw four passes and not two. no completions btw. thanks for showing the series when he had the ball at ull 41yd line and did absolutely nothing w/ it though.

[ksu_FAN]

If Snyder had "bit the bullet" and put in GG at Louisi and left him in there (and not removed him after 2 passes), mainly running QB draws, DT, with an occasional PAP, we win that game. 

I mean this was GG's series there:

K 1-10 L41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 04:26.
  K 1-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete (Moore, Sharrick).
  K 2-10 L41   Gregory, Grant rush quarterback draw for 5 yards to the UL36 (Zanders,
               Antwyn).
  K 3-5  L36   PENALTY KS false start (Stringer, Nick) 5 yards to the UL41.
  K 3-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OL pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 4-10 L41   Fulhage, D.J. punt 36 yards to the UL5, downed.

Not leaving him in the game was Bill's biggest mistake of the season IMO.  If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

hmmm. you do know that gg played more than one series that game right? he also threw four passes and not two. no completions btw. thanks for showing the series when he had the ball at ull 41yd line and did absolutely nothing w/ it though.

Ortego, Spencer kickoff 61 yards to the KS19, Banks, Brandon return 22
                   yards to the KS41 (Jones, Julian).
  K 1-10 K41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 02:43.
               ON SAFETY, BAD SNAP OVER MASSON'S HEAD;MASSON RUNS OUT OF END ZONE
  K 1-10 K41   Timeout Kansas State, clock 02:37.
  K 1-10 K41   Banks, Brandon rush AL for 2 yards to the KS43 (Bentley, Dwight).
  K 2-8  K43   Thomas, Daniel rush up middle for 7 yards to the 50 yardline (Richard,
               Chris;Rolle, Maurice).
  K 3-1  K50   Gregory, Grant DM pass incomplete to Mastrud, Jeron (Richard, Chris).
  K 4-1  K50   Doerr, Ryan punt 50 yards to the UL0, touchback.

  K 1-10 K18   KANSAS STATE drive start at 14:02.
  K 1-10 K18   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 2-10 K18   Gregory, Grant rush OR for 6 yards to the KS24 (Brooks, Richard;Richard,
               Chris).
  K 3-4  K24   Gregory, Grant rush OL for 2 yards to the KS26 (Brooks, Richard).
  K 4-2  K26   Doerr, Ryan punt 35 yards to the UL39, Auriene, Orkeys return 0 yards to the
               UL39 (Houlik, John;Sekona, Hansen).

Good points.  I suppose.

[Rick Daris]

If Snyder had "bit the bullet" and put in GG at Louisi and left him in there (and not removed him after 2 passes), mainly running QB draws, DT, with an occasional PAP, we win that game. 

I mean this was GG's series there:

K 1-10 L41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 04:26.
  K 1-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete (Moore, Sharrick).
  K 2-10 L41   Gregory, Grant rush quarterback draw for 5 yards to the UL36 (Zanders,
               Antwyn).
  K 3-5  L36   PENALTY KS false start (Stringer, Nick) 5 yards to the UL41.
  K 3-10 L41   Gregory, Grant OL pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 4-10 L41   Fulhage, D.J. punt 36 yards to the UL5, downed.

Not leaving him in the game was Bill's biggest mistake of the season IMO.  If he does, I think we are looking forward to Shrevesport or Houston right now. 

hmmm. you do know that gg played more than one series that game right? he also threw four passes and not two. no completions btw. thanks for showing the series when he had the ball at ull 41yd line and did absolutely nothing w/ it though.

Ortego, Spencer kickoff 61 yards to the KS19, Banks, Brandon return 22
                   yards to the KS41 (Jones, Julian).
  K 1-10 K41   KANSAS STATE drive start at 02:43.
               ON SAFETY, BAD SNAP OVER MASSON'S HEAD;MASSON RUNS OUT OF END ZONE
  K 1-10 K41   Timeout Kansas State, clock 02:37.
  K 1-10 K41   Banks, Brandon rush AL for 2 yards to the KS43 (Bentley, Dwight).
  K 2-8  K43   Thomas, Daniel rush up middle for 7 yards to the 50 yardline (Richard,
               Chris;Rolle, Maurice).
  K 3-1  K50   Gregory, Grant DM pass incomplete to Mastrud, Jeron (Richard, Chris).
  K 4-1  K50   Doerr, Ryan punt 50 yards to the UL0, touchback.

  K 1-10 K18   KANSAS STATE drive start at 14:02.
  K 1-10 K18   Gregory, Grant OR pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail.
  K 2-10 K18   Gregory, Grant rush OR for 6 yards to the KS24 (Brooks, Richard;Richard,
               Chris).
  K 3-4  K24   Gregory, Grant rush OL for 2 yards to the KS26 (Brooks, Richard).
  K 4-2  K26   Doerr, Ryan punt 35 yards to the UL39, Auriene, Orkeys return 0 yards to the
               UL39 (Houlik, John;Sekona, Hansen).

Good points.  I suppose.

yeah. my points are probably better then yours. mainly because yours were inaccurate and mine weren't.

yours was also kinda bad because you were suggesting that a quarterback who played 3 series in a game and was 0/4 while not moving the ball at all would have magically performed drastically different and caused a different outcome if only he was left in longer. not sure how that makes any sense.

[pissclams]

i watched from the sidelines and from inside the locker room as grant gregory tore this team and this communiity apart and it wasn't pretty. sad that he has nut jobs like TanDudeJulie here to defend him.

[ksu_FAN]

yeah. my points are probably better then yours. mainly because yours were inaccurate and mine weren't.

yours was also kinda bad because you were suggesting that a quarterback who played 3 series in a game and was 0/4 while not moving the ball at all would have magically performed drastically different and caused a different outcome if only he was left in longer. not sure how that makes any sense.

Not going to lie, forgot he played 3 series and didn't scroll down when I looked at the stats.  Simply terrible posting by me.

[steve dave]

This thread is fantastic

[sys]

This thread is fantastic

did you see cire's "frank's comments" thread (he didn't start the thread, but it's his).  i feel like i'm excused for not being fball oriented.  but should be a loller for you combo fans.

[Perry]

Well if we ever needed anymore evidence that this board is full of kids scarfing down dummy pills, then this takes the cake.

Grant Gregory probably gave more (of what he had) to this team than any quarterback in KSU history.

Shameful thread and should be locked down.

Hate to be the one who has to tell you this, but GG (that's Grant Gregory) advocates leaving the stadium during halftime, even if you miss the first couple minutes of the 2nd half (and I hear he doesn't mind if college students consume alcohol during this period of time).

[sonofdaxjones]

Clams not only called his shot . . . he tore the cover off the ball.

Damn . . . just fantastic posting by Clams.

[WillieWannabe]

Amazing thread. Glad I actually know what's going on this time 

[steve dave]

This thread is fantastic

did you see cire's "frank's comments" thread (he didn't start the thread, but it's his).  i feel like i'm excused for not being fball oriented.  but should be a loller for you combo fans.

Yes, that thread is also superb

[LimestoneOutcropping]

i watched from the sidelines and from inside the locker room as grant gregory tore this team and this communiity apart and it wasn't pretty. sad that he has nut jobs like TanDudeJulie here to defend him.

You and I both know that Grant was tearing this team down so it can be built back up when he is a grad assistant next year.

[ksu_FAN]

This is an elite thread.  Embarrassed I a) got sucked in and b) posted terribly. 

[Bookcat]

IMHO, we would have done a LOT worse if he hadn't come. Do you honestly thing that Carson "Short hop TE who is wide open at 10yds" Coffman  would have been our savior?

Q. what games did gregory "win" for us?

A. none

Iowa State

close thread

Coffman should definitely be our starter next year. Agree?