Our transformation to a Bob Huggins Cinncy style program is . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

We're not going to blow any team out by 20+ once conference play starts.  Doesn't mean we're not a good team...just not a team capable of blowing other teams out.  I'm ok with that.

That might be true . . . but hey, lets help out the cause by actually having something that sniffs at a HBBIQ every once in awhile.

I guess "only" missing 17 FT's is "better".

Yeah, not very smart of Samuals, but what do you expect . . . our players aren't that smart to begin with.

[sys]

if you want to meltdown about something, try Samuels "kick"

9 times out of 10 he gets away with that, so you can hardly blame him.  just tip your cap to refs and try again another day.

[ksu_FAN]

Next time, just do a few little simple things (that it seems like we can hardly ever do) and we run away with this game by 20.

I can understand this, I said the same in the first half.  And then we get them down 15 and have 3 great looks from behind the arc.  Then Sutton gets in foul trouble and all of a sudden Dayton is back in the game.  Regardless, there were many opportunities to win more comfortably.  And as far as LBBIQ, I mainly attributed that to Jam-Sam down the stretch.  

But IMO at the end of the day we did enough to win against what will likely be another tournament team, a team that returned nearly everyone from a team that beat Huggs in the first round last year before losing to Kansas.

[PCR]

We're not going to blow any team out by 20+ once conference play starts.  Doesn't mean we're not a good team...just not a team capable of blowing other teams out.  I'm ok with that.

You realize we play CU twice, right?

[sys]

You realize we play CU twice, right?

cu is a lot better this year.  nu is the only likely "easy" sweep.

[~WabashRoll~]

franfraschilla
Junkyard dog game between Kansas State and Dayton. Wildcats by 4 in a game that will have much meaning in March.

This. ^

VERY important win on a lot of levels, biggest maybe being that this is the type of non-con resume builder we have lacked thus far under Martin.

 

[michigancat]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

[fatty fat fat]

Don't stop dax. 

[Bullfn33]

dumb thread.

-Bob Huggin's Cinci program was a feared monster. W(why)TF is that a bad thing? Would you rather have a bunch of nonathletic smart players who can drain free throws and cute jumpers but get physically dominated? If we went that route we'd be Texas Tech. We are what we are which is what we've been since Huggins came to Manhattan so this thread is a couple years late.

-the number of newcomers and freshman on the team will take some time to get used to playing together and acclimated to college ball. We weren't going to blow out anyone decent this early in the season.

-set plays are the most overused and overrated things in basketball. All you need is movement, entry pass skills and the ability to create using big athletic players.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do.  

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

[feralchat]

Judge has that freshman-nervous-at-the-line  thing. He is a good shooter and will snap out of it and learn to love those freebies at the line.
Samuels I think will be inconsistent this year before becoming very comfortable with going to the line next year.
Kelly, although he went 4-4 tonight, I'm not so sure of. Don't like his free throw style at all. Would love to see him develop into a 70 percent shooter because he's going to go to the line a lot.
Sutton, I don't want to see at the line in crunch time either.
No excuse for Clemente hitting 50 percent. Has to be be nails late in games.
Just don't see us being a good free throw shooting team this year. Hope for 60 to 65 percent with the ball in Clemente and Pullen's hands late. Would really be nice if one of two others would step up to be reliable (again, one of the down sides of Brown leaving).

[montywildcat]

franfraschilla
Junkyard dog game between Kansas State and Dayton. Wildcats by 4 in a game that will have much meaning in March.

This. ^

VERY important win on a lot of levels, biggest maybe being that this is the type of non-con resume builder we have lacked thus far under Martin.

 

"The win was the first for K-State over a non-conference ranked team since beating No. 19 Iowa, 86-78, at home on Dec. 23, 2000, and was the first win over a ranked non-conference foe at a neutral site since beating No. 17 Arkansas, 47-46, in Kansas City on Dec. 27, 1980."

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=204838567

[michigancat]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do. 

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won.  Who cares how that happened?

[kougar24]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do. 

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won.  Who cares how that happened?

ANGRY DAX DOES

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do. 

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won.  Who cares how that happened?

Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.   

 

[michigancat]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do. 

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won.  Who cares how that happened?

Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.   

 

what offensive system should KSU look like?

[1/64th]

Dax, LBBIQ plays happen a lot at the beginning of the year for many reasons.  Getting a feel for each other, nerves, trying to do too much etc and so forth.  I expect these LBBIQ plays to decrease as the season progresses.  So just relax and enjoy a good victory.  I know you won't, but you should. 

BTW, I'm not sure Dax and I would be friends in real life.  But I certainly do like you on this MB.   

[Bookcat]

Our starting center....his first year
Judge...raw
McGruder...first year
Russell...first year
JHR...already better than any other center we've had in a long time...but still raw. Can defend the rim.
Pullen...being Pullen
Clemente....playing smarter..but still f'ing up too many times
JamSam...spotty but doing a better job at being aggressive
Sutton...when he wants to play...we win...He pwned Dayton continually

alot of youth mixed in with leadership not being leaders.

They'll come around....Turn in your EMAW cards if anyone wants to cash in 4 games into the season. Thanks.

[steve dave]

Junkyard dog game

OMFG 

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, I get why you don't like the way Martin/Huggins teams play, but it can work.  It isn't how I would like to build a team. - (I would sacrifice some athleticsm for some shooters and take fewer risks on defense).

Despite my disagreement, I have no problem with martin teaching the way he teaches - I wouldn't want him to run Princeton style sets or change the way he recruits because it isn't what he knows.  Just because a large percentage of our points come off penetration and putbacks, it doesn't mean they count any less than a beautifully executed Princeton backdoor.  It works for him, and he seems to do a fine job of recruiting players to fit his system, so why change?

Dude, I ain't calling for Jack "no dunks" Hartman here . . . just don't play like a bunch of dumbasses.   A drive and "stick back" offense is fine by me as long we it doesn't take us 5 shots to actually get the "stick back" and we're just not throwing up prayers 65% of the time like we do. 

Also, if you're going to thug it all up with ugly ass crash the boards basketball . . . shoot better FT's please.

Bull . . . didn't call for or demand any set plays, only commented that the few Frank runs are comical to say the least.

they shot 48% from the field, 43% from 3, scored 83 points, and won.  Who cares how that happened?

Holy crap cRusty . . . you go from talking about an entire offensive system, to the shooting for ONE game.   

 

what offensive system should KSU look like?

No "system" . . . just more under control.  But hey, it appears that your boy Denny can do no wrong and has a perpetual green light . . . so keep firing Denny, you won't see the bench. 

Geezus . . . I never once said I wanted them to run the four corners or the frankin Princeton offense . . . 

[steve dave]

Wait, wasn't it our goal to be a Bob Huggins Cincy style program 

[ksu_FAN]

Wait, wasn't it our goal to be a Bob Huggins Cincy style program 

I think so, and its what I expected Frank to do as well.  He's doing a good job of it.

[michigancat]

No "system" . . . just more under control.  But hey, it appears that your boy Denny can do no wrong and has a perpetual green light . . . so keep firing Denny, you won't see the bench. 

Geezus . . . I never once said I wanted them to run the four corners or the frankin Princeton offense . . . 

ok, do any teams look good to you so far this season?

[Pett]

TALKING HEADS!?!?! Seth Davis from CBS Sports:

Kansas State looked pretty good while beating a tough Dayton squad in Puerto Rico. I know their talented (if undersized) guards Jacob Pullen and Denis Clemente will get most of the pub this year, but I was impressed with the decisions made by the Wildcats' best two big men, Curtis Kelly and freshman Wally Judge. This is a rugged team that is tailor-made for Big 12 basketball.

[Skycat]

TALKING HEADS!?!?! Seth Davis from CBS Sports:

Kansas State looked pretty good while beating a tough Dayton squad in Puerto Rico. I know their talented (if undersized) guards Jacob Pullen and Denis Clemente will get most of the pub this year, but I was impressed with the decisions made by the Wildcats' best two big men, Curtis Kelly and freshman Wally Judge. This is a rugged team that is tailor-made for Big 12 basketball.

JamSam kicked himself out of a twitter mention.

[~WabashRoll~]

"Rugged". 

[Pett]

Seth Davis' Top 25!!!

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hoop_thoughts?eref=fromSI

[sonofdaxjones]

Only care about K-State . . . do not care about other teams . . . thank you

 

[Belvis Noland]

Only care about K-State . . . do not care about other teams . . . thank you

If you care about K-State, don't sell us short for the Dayton win.  When we played #21 Dayton, they had wins over Creighton (tourny team), Georgia Tech (tourny team), and a 6pt. loss to 'Nova (tourny team).   

Who knows whether they will finish in the top-25.  What I do know is that they will compete with Xavier to win the A-10 and they'll be dancing.  I'd bet that they will be ranked in the top-25. 

We certainly looked "rugged" at times (see last 5 minutes of the game), but I thought we looked quite good for the first 35 minutes of the game (see 15 point lead).  I was very impressed with our ability to grow from our laughable/disgusting performance against Ole Miss. 

We corrected and executed many of the problem areas that we had against Miss.  (zone offense, rebounding, perimeter shooting).  Still not happy with our FT shooting, though. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Who is selling K-State short . . . just want K-State to be better, quit the silly mistakes that some of our most experienced guys are making.