Lot of sales on HD tv's.

[opcat]

Walmart.  $598 for 40" Samsung and sony.

50" Sanyo 720p for $598.

[hemmy]

My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.

[rundown87]

Nope, I've got a 50" plasma 720p and it looks great.

[Rick Daris]

My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.

the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.

[pissclams]

ESPN broadcasts at 720p.  As does Fox.

i have a 52 inch sony.  you could sit 6 inches away or 16 feet away, you will not notice any difference between 720 and 1080.  impossible.

[ew2x4]

My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.

the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.

It depends on the size of the tv. And your "stat" is referencing a human viewing a still image. Moving video is very noticable, however.

[Rick Daris]

My god I would have to imagine 720p on 50" looks absolutely horrible.

the human body is unable to recognize the difference of 720 v 1080 at distances greater than @11ft. lol at watching a fifty inch tv any closer than that.

It depends on the size of the tv. And your "stat" is referencing a human viewing a still image. Moving video is very noticable, however.

1) duh.
2) no.

[hemmy]

Moving images matter, since 1080i and 1080p are the same resolution, but I can't speak for his "stat"

Also, when buying a large TV, why would you rationalize "Well, if I sit back far enough it will look the same"

[Rick Daris]

Moving images matter, since 1080i and 1080p are the same resolution, but I can't speak for his "stat"

Also, when buying a large TV, why would you rationalize "Well, if I sit back far enough it will look the same"

who the frack wants to sit four feet away from a 50 inch screen? that's retarded. the whole resolution talk is basically retarded as well. it's a less important aspect of picture quality then contrast ratio, color saturation and color accuracy. overall just a retarded/worthless talking point with lots of misinformation. 

[hemmy]

You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel  

Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.

[Rick Daris]

You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel  

Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.

well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.

[ew2x4]

You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel  

Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.

well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.

http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/

According to that chart, 10' away from a 50" tv is the border between seeing a noticeable difference between 1080p and 720p. Not 4'.

[Rick Daris]

You are probably one of those guys who owns a TN panel  

Also, this isn't about how far you sit from the TV, or resolution (very important if you use your TV for multiple things...other than just a TV) its about getting a lower quality screen because if you sit far enough away it will be hard to notice.

well then, you win i guess. have fun sitting four feet away from your fifty inch 1080 set. your viewing experience should be fantastic. enjoy.

http://hd.engadget.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/

According to that chart, 10' away from a 50" tv is the border between seeing a noticeable difference between 1080p and 720p. Not 4'.

you know what ewx4? you are not adding a whole lot to the conversation here.  i already stated earlier in this thread that the distance was around 11 ft. this will vary some from individual to individual to individual though as not everyone has 20/20 vision. did your post have a point or do you just enjoy regurgitating information that i've already presented? glad to see you dropped the incredibly stupid moving image talking point from earlier in the thread though. thanks for that. now if you'd just shut up entirely we'd really be getting somewhere.

[ew2x4]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

[Rick Daris]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.

[michigancat]

[willie83]

My Panasonic 50" 720p plasma has a much better picture than my buddies Sharp 52" 1080p LCD (2 years newer) and even he admits it. The LCD has a  lot of artifacting (is that a word?) that my plasma has never had and never will.

[ew2x4]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.

So because there are other important things makes it not important at all? Well lets make a thread about response time so we can all be in agreement 2 ms panels are awesome, because nobody is arguing about those other things. Just you.

What a dipcrap.

[ew2x4]

My Panasonic 50" 720p plasma has a much better picture than my buddies Sharp 52" 1080p LCD (2 years newer) and even he admits it. The LCD has a  lot of artifacting (is that a word?) that my plasma has never had and never will.

I'm pretty sure this has to do with resolution and is a great example that should influence everyone when purchasing.

[Rick Daris]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.

So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?

it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?

people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.

[ew2x4]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.

So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?

it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?

people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.

Judging by what we've posted? We made a comment lol'ing about 720p on a 50". How does that figure into our knowledge of contrast ratio, black accuracy, video processors, etc? This is why you're a dipcrap who's pretending to be a stuck up dumb &@#% from avsforums.

If you really want to talk like you know something, you should have said you should match optimum resolution for what ever you watch the most. All but 4 or 5 channels broadcast in 1080i/p, therefore a 1080p screen would be best no matter what. Artifacts and compression will screw the picture up more than anything else.

[pissclams]

no channels broadcast in 1080p    i know one of the satellite providors upconverts but that's not the same.

[steve dave]

I know a guy named Jason that could put this thread to rest if he posted here. 

[ew2x4]

no channels broadcast in 1080p    i know one of the satellite providors upconverts but that's not the same.

At the moment, no broadcasts are recorded in 1080p. If Direct TV broadcasts in 1080p and your Tv downsamples to 720p, that's where the problem comes into play. The video processors are a lot better than what they used to be, but there are still issues. Especially with cheaper TV's.

[pissclams]

my television would get bitchslapped if it even thought about downsampling a 1080p signal. 

i'm telling you though, 720p looks great and you would not be able to tell the difference b/w CBS (1080i) and ESPN (720p) on it.

[Rick Daris]

Sitting closer than 11' is entirely reasonable. You're the dumbass who said 4'. Listen, I understand you're trying to justify the crapty Olevia you bought from Target 4 years ago. It's all good. Just sit back with your Diet Shasta and watch your upscaled DVDs, because it's basically just like blu ray. It's all good, bro.

the point is this. there are tards like you and hemmy that don't know a whole lot about vision in general and what makes for a quality picture/viewing experience. you only know 720 and 1080 and automatically assume that a 1080 set is better than a 720 one. you do not understand that resolution is not as important as several other things and not important at all when seated at a normal viewing distance. you are simple minded and that's ok. the television marketing has worked on you guys. it does on a lot of people, don't feel bad.

So because there are other important things makes it not important at all?

it makes it less important then the things that are more important then it and not important at all for normal viewing distances. how do you not get this?

people like you and hemmy (judging by what you've both posted so far) don't really have an appreciation for the rest of what goes into making a quality picture. it's ok though, that's why companies print whether it's 720 or 1080 in big letters on the box and display units for you guys. 1080 let's you know to just pay the extra money and purchase it, because 1080 is bigger then 720 and therefore must be better. it's called marketing and judging by how clueless people seem to be about the subject, it's very good marketing.

Judging by what we've posted? We made a comment lol'ing about 720p on a 50". How does that figure into our knowledge of contrast ratio, black accuracy, video processors, etc? This is why you're a dipcrap who's pretending to be a stuck up dumb frack from avsforums.

If you really want to talk like you know something, you should have said you should match optimum resolution for what ever you watch the most. All but 4 or 5 channels broadcast in 1080i/p, therefore a 1080p screen would be best no matter what. Artifacts and compression will screw the picture up more than anything else.

lol. no to pretty much everything you just posted.

[kougar24]

Would you jerks stop lecturing each other and tell me what tv to buy?

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

My buddy who seems to know about these things (I do not) informed me that I could NOT buy a TV at Wal-Mart because their models are downmarket versions of what you get elsewhere.  He pointed out the model numbers are slightly different at Wal-Mart.  Just regurgitating something I heard -- you guys will let me know if it's accurate, I'm sure.

By the way, he has a 50 inch screen -- at least -- and his couch is only about six feet from the screen.  (Small apartment.)  How do you like them apples?

[sonofdaxjones]

It is absolutely true that you can't just go by the numbers.  Any video geek will tell you that you really need to take a TV home and set it up under your conditions to tell if a TV is really going to work out or not.

I was just in a HH Gregg the other day, and they still sell the Mitsubishi DLP projector TV's and in terms of "cinematic" viewing I thought they absolutely blew away all the LCD's and Plasma TV's.  I still have a hard time with a lot of LCD when I look at them with the "ghosting" and "chop". . . albeit the faster LCD's are better.   I can't judge yet if the new LED LCD's are just over the top awesome, or absolutely fake in their coloring.

[MENSACat]

I've always read that no stations (for the forseeable future) will broadcast in true 1080p, due to the massive bandwidth it would entail. DirecTv could do it, but it would cut their HD channel-capability by over 90%. Maybe things have changed very recently but, Blu-Ray aside, 1080p-ranting is akin to H1N1-ranting from my perspective.