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A desired football model existed just about anywhere once for Kansas State.

When Bill Snyder ignored sound advice and hired on in 1989, the Wildcats had a few equals, but only among losers.

You know the story. The K-State program was arguably the worst in Division I-A.

Initially, it was hard to look at Nebraska and fathom a period when the Wildcats and Huskers would share North division titles during the first five years of the Big 12's existence.

But the K-State staff was wise enough to indeed look hard at Nebraska.

"(The Big Eight) was a dynamic conference. There were a lot of models," Snyder said. "But I've always had a lot of respect for Tom Osborne and I loved the way his teams conducted his program.

"Not just the championships he won, but how he handled his program, how he worked with young people and what he meant to his state. It was the total package, and indeed, it could serve as a model program for anyone."

The staff Snyder assembled was loaded with inspired assistants who went on to become head coaches.

When they first began to prepare for Nebraska, the lessons expedited their development. Osborne never lost a matchup against Snyder, but coaches at K-State worked vigorously to account for every move the Huskers tried and learned about the art of preparation.

In fact, Bob Stoops has shared those recollections with Osborne.

"He had as much to do with my development as a defensive coordinator as anybody I ever worked with, though I never worked with him," said the Oklahoma coach, an original member of Snyder's first K-State staff.

"Just going against those great Nebraska teams and all the great offenses they had with those different schemes, whether it would be option or all the different ways they ran the football. Then, with play-action pass off of it, you had to be incredibly disciplined defensively to stop it, and you had to be intelligent in how you stopped it, or you weren't going to."

Surprising back-breakers caused defensive busts.

Sometimes it was a flick to the tight end ... or a belly dive by the fullback ... or an option keeper by the QB. Combine that with sheer power and Nebraska grew into the nation's most dominant team, winning three national titles in Osborne's last four seasons before he retired following a 13-0 run in 1997.

"I felt as we got better defensively at Kansas State working against that offense, that's how we really developed," Stoops said. "They're who we had to beat. So over time, we made improvement defensively. The thought process to stop it really developed a lot of what we're still doing (at OU)."

Some of that thinking will probably be incorporated into the plan K-State devises this week.

But Saturday's showdown in Lincoln for the North Division title involves a new cast of characters in red.

Questions even exist regarding respect.

In 2003, the last time Kansas State played for a Big 12 championship (and won it), Bo Pelini angrily raced across the field to confront Snyder after the Cats won 38-9 at Nebraska.

Pelini was then the NU defensive coordinator. As head coach, Pelini called that incident a "mistake I made six years ago" during Big 12 media days, adding it was "a dead issue." On Monday, Pelini reflected on Snyder coaxing the Cats into a title hunt.

"It just goes to show how good of a coach coach Snyder is," Pelini said. "He does a great job. He works hard at it. He gets the kids to be committed (and to) play tough, very sound, fundamental football. It's a pretty good equation to win football games."

The equations Snyder solved to put K-State in contention with Nebraska again were difficult. But not nearly as complex as those he and his first staff encountered 20 years ago when the Big Red menace cast a sinister shadow.

The Cats are not favored. They have yet to win on the road. They are coming off a humbling defeat.

Upset Nebraska, however, and the fashionable football model in the Big 12 North is again Kansas State under Snyder.




That's right KSU fans. How's it feel to know that you'll always be looking up at big brother? IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY!!!! :dancin: :dancin:

November 17, 2009, 07:39:02 AM
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November 17, 2009, 07:52:25 AM
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First and foremost, I hope you understand that your affection for NU and similarly my affection for KSU bestow upon us NONE of the accomplishments of our sports teams.  We are both just a pair of jackasses who follow this stupid crap.

Most fans "get" this.

However, NU fans are frequently a different sort.  You douche bags really do think that Tom Osborne's accomplishments are your own...like really yours, or that you were somehow a material part of it.  Seriously, today's common interpretation for the word "Douche Bag" fits no sports team following (in any sport, at any level, in any country) quite as perfectly as NU football fans.

Biggest pieces of crap on the planet.  Truly horrible people.  I wish horrible, horrible things upon each and every one of you.



By the way, Osborne merely tried to copy Woody Hayes.

November 17, 2009, 08:19:15 AM
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So, we became better at doing what you do than you did?

November 17, 2009, 08:21:58 AM
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So, we became better at doing what you do than you did?
Until you get a couple of these, you really shouldn't run your mouth. :blush:


November 17, 2009, 08:26:50 AM
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Just realized that NU hasn't been good since I was 16, I don't even really remember it  :eek:
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November 17, 2009, 08:28:40 AM
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First and foremost, I hope you understand that your affection for NU and similarly my affection for KSU bestow upon us NONE of the accomplishments of our sports teams.  We are both just a pair of jackasses who follow this stupid crap.

Most fans "get" this.

However, NU fans are frequently a different sort.  You douche bags really do think that Tom Osborne's accomplishments are your own...like really yours, or that you were somehow a material part of it.  Seriously, today's common interpretation for the word "Douche Bag" fits no sports team following (in any sport, at any level, in any country) quite as perfectly as NU football fans.

Biggest pieces of crap on the planet.  Truly horrible people.  I wish horrible, horrible things upon each and every one of you.



By the way, Osborne merely tried to copy Woody Hayes.

It's weird how they desperately want to tie everything back to nebraska football.  I'm waiting to read a story from the Huskerpedia about how bob devaney mentored jesus christ.

November 17, 2009, 08:28:59 AM
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Just realized that NU hasn't been good since I was 16, I don't even really remember it  :eek:
If I were you I would try to forget my childhood too. :nahnah:

November 17, 2009, 08:36:13 AM
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First and foremost, I hope you understand that your affection for NU and similarly my affection for KSU bestow upon us NONE of the accomplishments of our sports teams.  We are both just a pair of jackasses who follow this stupid crap.

Most fans "get" this.

However, NU fans are frequently a different sort.  You douche bags really do think that Tom Osborne's accomplishments are your own...like really yours, or that you were somehow a material part of it.  Seriously, today's common interpretation for the word "Douche Bag" fits no sports team following (in any sport, at any level, in any country) quite as perfectly as NU football fans.

Biggest pieces of crap on the planet.  Truly horrible people.  I wish horrible, horrible things upon each and every one of you.



By the way, Osborne merely tried to copy Woody Hayes.
First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

November 17, 2009, 08:40:56 AM
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Just realized that NU hasn't been good since I was 16, I don't even really remember it  :eek:
So you weren't even old enough to see the movie your name comes from, eh?

November 17, 2009, 08:41:36 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  

November 17, 2009, 08:51:32 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  

I know, right!    :lol:


Both of those guys, BOTH OF THEM, would do nearly ANYTHING to win a football game.  BOTH OF THEM.  They have BOTH proved it over, and over, and over again.

November 17, 2009, 09:02:05 AM
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If Snyder tried to copy Osborne than Brooks Berringer tried to copy John F. Kennedy Jr.
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November 17, 2009, 09:09:38 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.

And you think your does?  :rofl:

Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable.

Hi kettle, my name is pot and you're black.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

Please heed your own advice.  :thumbsup:

November 17, 2009, 09:23:15 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

November 17, 2009, 09:33:19 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games. 

No kidding...met TO in Coffeyville in '88 when CCC was still good (b4 Skippy killed the program).  He was visiting CCC "to deliver a speech" (a.k.a., raid the CCC cookie jar).  Dood was a sleez/pr!ck then, doubt things changed much over time.

November 17, 2009, 09:44:03 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.

November 17, 2009, 09:47:11 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person? Life is all about choices. Give me links to articles that PROVE there was rampant steroids use. NU has never been on any kind of probation, ever. NU is not Alabama. I'm not saying that there isn't improprieties in every program. Some coaches look the other way, Snyder and TO aren't those kind of men.

To say that they will win at any cost is ludicrous. TO had the Natl. Championship wrapped up in 83. All he had to do was kick the extra point, but he didn't, he went for 2 and the win not the tie. Is that winning at any cost??

November 17, 2009, 10:06:10 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person?

If you continue to employ him after the liquor store robbery and he beats a female customer because she was sleeping with another employee who hid under the bed while the rest of the employees were in the back shooting steroids right under your nose and the guy you hired to deliver milk to old ladies is commiting drive by shootings and getting convicted for killing a guy to steal his coke then, yes, it makes you look like the absolute sh1t human being that you are.
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November 17, 2009, 10:11:39 AM
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SD, that employee "needs" to work, regardless of the serious nature of that employees crimes.  the "manager" is a saint because he recognizes this.
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November 17, 2009, 10:14:07 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person?

If you continue to employ him after the liquor store robbery and he beats a female customer because she was sleeping with another employee who hid under the bed while the rest of the employees were in the back shooting steroids right under your nose and the guy you hired to deliver milk to old ladies is commiting drive by shootings and getting convicted for killing a guy to steal his coke then, yes, it makes you look like the absolute sh1t human being that you are.
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November 17, 2009, 10:18:55 AM
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November 17, 2009, 10:20:40 AM
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I wasn't aware that Snyder was adept at bringing career criminals into the football program at K-State.

November 17, 2009, 10:26:29 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person?

If you continue to employ him after the liquor store robbery and he beats a female customer because she was sleeping with another employee who hid under the bed while the rest of the employees were in the back shooting steroids right under your nose and the guy you hired to deliver milk to old ladies is commiting drive by shootings and getting convicted for killing a guy to steal his coke then, yes, it makes you look like the absolute sh1t human being that you are.
I still can't decide who's the better fiction writer? You or Stephen King.

November 17, 2009, 10:35:23 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person?

If you continue to employ him after the liquor store robbery and he beats a female customer because she was sleeping with another employee who hid under the bed while the rest of the employees were in the back shooting steroids right under your nose and the guy you hired to deliver milk to old ladies is commiting drive by shootings and getting convicted for killing a guy to steal his coke then, yes, it makes you look like the absolute sh1t human being that you are.
I still can't decide who's the better fiction writer? You or Stephen King.

Sports Illustrated must have gotten out of the non-fiction business.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007153/index.htm


November 17, 2009, 10:45:28 AM
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November 17, 2009, 10:46:18 AM
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First and foremost, I want you to understand that your opinion matters little to any of us.
That being said, I don't use I or WE when refering to NU. I'm just a fan,Tom Osborne is a man of good character and high morals as is Snyder. I would love to be able to emulate either man, both are fine examples.
Speaking of examples, you set a poor one and reflect on your fan base in general as bush league and very undesirable. Wishing ill will on others proves my point.

By the way, try to copy Snyder. It would do YOU a world of good.

I'm  :lol: at the fact that you actually believe that those two are on some sort of moral high ground.  jfc, they are good football coaches who have shown they'll do anything to win football games.  
What are you guys 14? Try picking up a book and reading about the lives of both of these men. Grow up

should I read Lawrence Phillips book?  what about the articles on the steroids that were rampent in TO's program?  Should I read Christian Peter's rap sheet?  the list goes on and on.  That's just tom.  Snyds has his too.  Look, they are football coaches who win, at any cost.
So, say your the manager of a store and one of your employees robs a liquor store. Does that reflect on you as a person?

If you continue to employ him after the liquor store robbery and he beats a female customer because she was sleeping with another employee who hid under the bed while the rest of the employees were in the back shooting steroids right under your nose and the guy you hired to deliver milk to old ladies is commiting drive by shootings and getting convicted for killing a guy to steal his coke then, yes, it makes you look like the absolute sh1t human being that you are.
I still can't decide who's the better fiction writer? You or Stephen King.

Sports Illustrated must have gotten out of the non-fiction business.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007153/index.htm



FTW

November 17, 2009, 12:56:01 PM
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No longer is NU up there battling it out with the likes of USC, Florida, and Texas. Nope they are relegated to trolling KSU messageboards for attention.

We already have a rival. You need to go find yours elsewhere.