Only one thing really disappoints me about today . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

and that was the game plan.

I felt all week, right down to my EMAW bones that there was no way OB was going to TOP/Formula to a win today . . . I thought that concept had to be completely scrapped and K-State needed to come out of the dressing room throwing the football.

MU:

Rushing Defense: 17th . . . that's 17th

Passing Defense:  89th . . . yep 89th.

Don't give me this bull$hit about, "well passing just isn't this teams personality" . . . just a complete, and utter a$$ backwards gameplan . . . and this is where hyper f_cking conservative Old Balls just drives me nuts . . . there was no way in hell he was going to come out and salt this one away 17-14, and a freaking good Pop Warner coach would understand that.

Coaching . . . F--

[fatty fat fat]

well, ku had a similar rushing defense ranking last week and we ran all over them.

game plans work sometimes, they don't work others. that's why you recruit good players so you don't have to rely on your "game plan" winning the game.

[sonofdaxjones]

There's a difference in athletes upfront for ku and mu that a blind, deaf, mute could see.

But QFT on the need to recruit better athletes.

[nicname]

and that was the game plan.

I felt all week, right down to my EMAW bones that there was no way OB was going to TOP/Formula to a win today . . . I thought that concept had to be completely scrapped and K-State needed to come out of the dressing room throwing the football.

MU:

Rushing Defense: 17th . . . that's 17th

Passing Defense:  89th . . . yep 89th.

Don't give me this bull$hit about, "well passing just isn't this teams personality" . . . just a complete, and utter a$$ backwards gameplan . . . and this is where hyper f_cking conservative Old Balls just drives me nuts . . . there was no way in hell he was going to come out and salt this one away 17-14, and a freaking good Pop Warner coach would understand that.

Coaching . . . F--

Overall . . . this season has more than surpassed my expectations, but today was a day you throw the old "grind it out" stuff out the window, because our defense simply wasn't going to match up with them well, they weren't going to stop them . . . and so K-State needed to open up the offense and throw the ball, they didn't do it until it was too late, and MU's D-Line clowned our O-Line.  

Just a bad job by the K-State staff . . . and I am   because I just don't like mu, never have, never will.

But I'll be really   if this is still going on in a couple of years.   I think the coaching abilities are there on this staff, I just worry about the recruiting . . . it's only marginally better this year IMO.

These two posts pretty much sum up the day and the season IMHO.  

[sonofdaxjones]

We aren't anywhere close to a "imposing our will" type of team against teams with that kind of defensive front . . . so why even pretend that you can even accomplish that??   

That's my problem with OB and our fans . . . we look at the last 3 qtrs of the OU game and the ku game, and suddenly everyone thinks MU is going to let us go out there and do the exact same thing.

It's just frustrating, because IMO the hyperconservative play calling cost K-State the game, allowed MU to get confident, and they out athleted K-State down the stretch.

[Legore]

I may get mocked for it but I still would like to see how this game would have gone if Banks hadn't fumbled and we had taken the lead.  We are a different team when we have the lead then we are when we're behind.   I also think the defense let us down in relation to the game plan.  Giving up that 90 yard drive before the half was a real turning point.  I expected MU to score in this game but with that field position and clock situation I would have expected them to be able to get a stop there.  That realy busted the game open.  

I agree that in the second half Snyder failed to adjust the game plan despite being down two scores.   We held the ball pretty much all the third quarter but MU hit one big pass and erased any ground we made up in one play.  I would have liked to have seen some shots down the field before the 4th quarter when the game was out of hand.      

[ksu_FAN]

This is classic dax 'pick a talking point and hammer it."  Now, there is some truth to what you say.  Even Snyder said we should've ran off-tackle more after the game, but I think there's much more to it.

Our formula in winning has been simple; run the ball, win the TO battle, make enough plays on defense, and win special teams.  ST today was a wash, but we didn't run well, we had 3 TOs to 0, and defense didn't tackle and failed to make plays on the football against the pass.  Throw in aweful redzone offense and you have a blowout.  If anything passing more would've made it worse.

Face it, Bill was going to 'dance with the one that brung him', just so happens the gal he came with was high on meth and drank a fifth today after behaving really well the last month or so.

[chum1]

We were passing at will before we got way behind yet insisted on going back to the run game again and again.  Same old Snyder.

[mikeycat]

snyder got outcoached.  i agree that the Banks fumble may have change the way the game was going, but I have no idea why  we didn't more aggressively attack the weak Mizzou secondary all game.

[ksu_FAN]

We prob didn't attack more b/c we have ave. WRs/QB and didn't protect real well.  I will say it would've been nice to see some play-action and send Mastrud down the middle of the field b/c MU often left it open.

[jester66]

Sorry, but the crowd sucked from the announcements of the seniors to the time they left the Little Apple.
Little to no enthusiasm. 

Plus, I take my daughter and she waits to get sick in Wamego

[chum1]

They were getting torched by our average WRs and average QB before the game got out of hand.  It seems like Snyder always tries to use the running game to set up the passing game - even when the defense tries to take away the running game first.  Why not set up the run with the pass when appropriate?

[Cougar2k]

This is classic dax 'pick a talking point and hammer it."  Now, there is some truth to what you say.  Even Snyder said we should've ran off-tackle more after the game, but I think there's much more to it.

Our formula in winning has been simple; run the ball, win the TO battle, make enough plays on defense, and win special teams.  ST today was a wash, but we didn't run well, we had 3 TOs to 0, and defense didn't tackle and failed to make plays on the football against the pass.  Throw in aweful redzone offense and you have a blowout.  If anything passing more would've made it worse.

Face it, Bill was going to 'dance with the one that brung him', just so happens the gal he came with was high on meth and drank a fifth today after behaving really well the last month or so.

[fatty fat fat]

They were getting torched by our average WRs and average QB before the game got out of hand.  It seems like Snyder always tries to use the running game to set up the passing game - even when the defense tries to take away the running game first.  Why not set up the run with the pass when appropriate?

that's also snyder's offense. even in dod days, if we can't run...we are in big trouble.

[WillieWannabe]

This game is how i pictured the whole year going. So it just finally caught up to us. The lackadaisical tackling, inferior athletes, lack of passing game....Once Banks fumbled the ball, the game changed. 14 point swing. Once we are behind we can't catch up. Things have been going our way all year, and today it changed. I don't blame this on Snyder.

[hemmy]

They were getting torched by our average WRs and average QB before the game got out of hand.  It seems like Snyder always tries to use the running game to set up the passing game - even when the defense tries to take away the running game first.  Why not set up the run with the pass when appropriate?

that's also snyder's offense. even in dod days, if we can't run...we are in big trouble.

Depends on the year

[fatty fat fat]

They were getting torched by our average WRs and average QB before the game got out of hand.  It seems like Snyder always tries to use the running game to set up the passing game - even when the defense tries to take away the running game first.  Why not set up the run with the pass when appropriate?

that's also snyder's offense. even in dod days, if we can't run...we are in big trouble.

Depends on the year

give me example of DoD team that won a game w/o running the ball.

[Catfanatic]

I was disappointed with the overall team effort myself. The team seemed to be flat, played with little emotion and were on their heels the entire game.

ku hangover? Sure looked like it to me, the team was not ready to play today which blows my mind considering how much was at stake.   

[hemmy]

They were getting torched by our average WRs and average QB before the game got out of hand.  It seems like Snyder always tries to use the running game to set up the passing game - even when the defense tries to take away the running game first.  Why not set up the run with the pass when appropriate?

that's also snyder's offense. even in dod days, if we can't run...we are in big trouble.

Depends on the year

give me example of DoD team that won a game w/o running the ball.

Like, a single game?

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . this isn't a DOD team.  

But good ol OB.

By gawd we are going to run the ball . . . we will do it, I am prepared to stay here until Hell Freezes over to see that we do run the ball effectively . . . Thomas' 2.6 YPCarry (or thereabouts) in the first half probably only fueled OB's angst and OCD on trying to run the ball.  

Woody Hayes . . . please pick up the White Courtesy phone . . . Woodrow Hayes . . . White Courtesy Phone . . . it's OB on the line.

[Andy]

pretty obvious the staff or just snyder believes gregory will be a turnover machine if they ask him to drop back too much and win it with his arm. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, when they're just giving you the sideline from 8 to 10 yards all day . . . you throw it more than 10 times in the 1st half against the 11th worst pass defense in the conference. 

But by gawd we will run the football . . . or we'll all die trying.

[Andy]

we dont even have the wr's to take adv of it, sadly.  woulda been interesting to at least try though i suppose.

[sonofdaxjones]

How do you really know if we have the WR to do it??  When you throw the ball so little, and the QB is almost always only looking for one guy. 

Yeah . . . I know it's nutty but you throw the ball more than 10 times in a half against the 2nd worst pass defense in the conference.   Particularly when you know that their front 7 can clown your O-Line if you get into obvious passing situations . . . Snyder got punked today badly.

[Super PurpleCat]

Giving up your best offensive gameplan late in the season sure is high FBIQ.   

[chum1]

Through three quarters, the score was 24-12 and it looks like GG was 14-22.  It's hard to see how we would have been unalbe to effectively pass the ball more than we did.  The receivers all seemed like they were wide open when they caught the ball.  It seemed that Missouri was giving these completions to us, yet we continued to try to run.  They figured out the key to beating Snyder.

Gregory, Grant pass complete to Brown, Lamark for 7 yards
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Banks, Brandon for 7 yards
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Mastrud, Jeron
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Snipes, Attrail for 17 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Banks, Brandon for 17 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Banks, Brandon for 13 yards
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Banks, Brandon
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Brown, Lamark for 11 yards
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Banks, Brandon
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Banks, Brandon
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Snipes, Attrail for 14 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Banks, Brandon for 9 yards
Thomas, Daniel pass incomplete to Mastrud, Jeron
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Snipes, Attrail
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Banks, Brandon for 6 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Snipes, Attrail for 11 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Klein, Collin for 5 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Thomas, Daniel for 3 yards
Gregory, Grant pass incomplete to Banks, Brandon
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Snipes, Attrail for 10 yards
Gregory, Grant pass complete to Brown, Lamark for 9 yards

[nicname]

We got Tressled.

[Legore]

we dont even have the wr's to take adv of it, sadly.  woulda been interesting to at least try though i suppose.

Our WR's are not that bad.  Not great but they were good enough to get open vs. Missouri.  Banks, Brown and Snipes are all pretty good and all bring a different skill set to the table.  Mastrud is also an above avererage TE and Thomas can catch the ball out of the backfield better then most RB's.  We're not the Patriots or anything but there are enough tools there to do some things in the passing game against a weak secondary.