ku/MU, why not to be completely surprised...

[ksu_FAN]

These are really the proving years of their programs.  For the first time after success, both have experienced turnover in the coaching ranks after losing very good assistants/coordinators.  One of the things that gets overlooked from Snyder is how well he handled that during the DOD; maintaining success at programs like ours after turnover happens is very difficult.  Of course, that is also one of the things that contributed to a couple bad seasons at the end of his first run.  And it likely contributed (a lot actually) to Prince not being able to follow up a good first season with any success at all.

It would seem Snyder did a very good job putting together his first staff the 2nd time around (at least from the coaching standpoint), even though many of us had questions.  It will be interesting to see how this evolves, especially from the recruiting standpoint and how he will handle turnover when it happens.  These will be two big keys in setting things up well for whoever his successor ends up being.  The hope is you can go get an established coach this time around (like Patterson) who can for most part bring in his own established staff. 

[Catfanatic]

Why in the world would you hope Patterson would go to ku? Barf that would really suck IMO. My best guess is that Patterson will end up at A&M because I do not think Sherman is going to last very long there and Patterson has strong ties to the state of Texas. If not A&M possibly TX Tech, not sure why he would go to ku where football will always be at best second.

[ksu_FAN]

Why in the world would you hope Patterson would go to ku? Barf that would really suck IMO. My best guess is that Patterson will end up at A&M because I do not think Sherman is going to last very long there and Patterson has strong ties to the state of Texas. If not A&M possibly TX Tech, not sure why he would go to ku where football will always be at best second.

I must not have been clear.  I was implying that I hope Patterson is still in play for us when Snyder hangs it up the 2nd time around.  I don't think Patterson would go to ku either.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

This time a year ago we were collecting money to fly a "Fire Ron" banner over the stadium.

[Catfanatic]

LOL I probably didn't read it well enough, I myself think Snyder's successor is already on staff. I would be surprised to see Patterson coaching for us in the future, some of his comments made last spring really rubbed me the wrong way. He could have said "I am flattered to be considered for the KSU job but my focus now is with tcu....blah, blah, blah." He took some shots at KSU that I'm sure will be remembered by many.

[steve dave]

I myself think Snyder's successor is already on staff.

We are completely f^cked if that's the case

I would be surprised to see Patterson coaching for us in the future, some of his comments made last spring really rubbed me the wrong way. He could have said "I am flattered to be considered for the KSU job but my focus now is with tcu....blah, blah, blah." He took some shots at KSU that I'm sure will be remembered by many.

He was absolutely fair to us in what he said.  If he had said anything more complementary he would have pissed his own fanbase off.  Less you forget, GPC put him in a very sh1tty position and he was in the middle of a pretty damn good season.  He absolutely handled it the right way.  I wouldn't want him as our coach had he gone about it any other way because it would have shown him to be a moron. 

[Catfanatic]

I just know a bunch of people that were pissed off and still are, they are not the Vaniers types but contribute at the Ahearn level or higher. BTW I am not one of them though I wouldn't have any problem with hiring GP.

Why would we be f&cked if either Dimel or Koennings replaced Snyder? Both would be far better than Prince ever was and Dimel was very successful at Wyoming and wasn't given enough time at Houston. Both are experienced have good recruiting ties and are solid X's & O's coaches.

I still stand by what I said, I would be very surprised to see Patterson as our next coach.

[steve dave]

I just know a bunch of people that were pissed off and still are, they are not the Vaniers types but contribute at the Ahearn level or higher. BTW I am not one of them though I wouldn't have any problem with hiring GP.

Why would we be f&cked if either Dimel or Koennings replaced Snyder? Both would be far better than Prince ever was and Dimel was very successful at Wyoming and wasn't given enough time at Houston. Both are experienced have good recruiting ties and are solid X's & O's coaches.

Is there another program in the country that would offer either a head coaching job?  Not just BCS either, anyone?  I don't think so.  I mean, they had their shot at low level programs and obviously aren't HCs anymore.  If we are going to lower ourselves to coaches of that level we may as well throw in the towel now imo.  Them having some connection to the program isn't that important to me.  We should only utilize connections to the program when they can land us a coach that would otherwise be out of our reach.  Also, your rich friends sound like whiny bitches.  Just imo and no offense to you meant. 

[Catfanatic]

Wow you are one angry person.

Can I ask you one question; why didn't Patterson come last November? If there was ever a perfect time to go back to your alma mater it was at the end of last season. If Snyder gets the program back on top who is going to want to follow a legend that has done it twice?

I guess one could surmise he knew he had a great team this year and wanted to stay but something gives me a gut feeling GP doesn't want to come back home if Snder builds it into a power again, it becomes a lose/lose proposition for an established coach. If you continue winning, well so what Snyder's program. If things go downhill then you have a career breaker. That is why I think if Snyder does indeed do it again, which looks to be a pretty good chance, then his successor will from the Snyder tree and not a top end coach.

[steve dave]

Wow you are one angry person.

Can I ask you one question; why didn't Patterson come last November?

He was never offered the job.  Also, what from my post was angry? 

[Catfanatic]

"Also, your rich friends sound like whiny bitches"

I don't refer to poeple I do not know in that manner but then again takes all sorts

As for he was never offered the job, ok that is the official KSU athletic department stance but I don't buy it myself. If GP had wanted the job I think he would be coaching here now.

[steve dave]

"Also, your rich friends sound like whiny bitches"

I don't refer to poeple I do not know in that manner but then again takes all sorts

That needed to be said and I was smiling as I typed it so I can assure you no anger was involved.

As for he was never offered the job, ok that is the official KSU athletic department stance but I don't buy it myself. If GP had wanted the job I think he would be coaching here now.

No, its a fact.  How it weant down is pretty common knowledge.  There was no search.  I would suggest your semi-rich friends up their donations to gain more insider info.  

[Copper Bowl]

HCIW . . . . .


Joe Bob Clements??

 









 

[Catfanatic]

Whatever I am just going to agree to disagree with you on this one.

[steve dave]

Whatever I am just going to agree to disagree with you on this one.

fair enough 

[cireksu]

snyds always won the games he was supposed to.

[michigancat]

I guess one could surmise he knew he had a great team this year and wanted to stay but something gives me a gut feeling GP doesn't want to come back home if Snder builds it into a power again, it becomes a lose/lose proposition for an established coach. If you continue winning, well so what Snyder's program. If things go downhill then you have a career breaker. That is why I think if Snyder does indeed do it again, which looks to be a pretty good chance, then his successor will from the Snyder tree and not a top end coach.

Snyder won't build us into a "power" again.  So you shouldn't have anything to worry about.  hth

[tmramrod91]

SD-for reals question.

How much of the turnaround on the defensive side of the ball to you credit to snydes vs. VK/Cosh?  I have no insidery info/extensive fball knowledge, so from an outsiders perspective it's pretty tough to deny what a turnaround theres been on the defensive side of the ball. How much is snydes involved in gameplanning for D? Not too much would be my thoughts.

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

After the last fiasco its tough for me to see that this entire staff would be dumped and a brand new coach be brought in. More risk involved. Not saying thats right or wrong, just what i think might happen.

[ksuno1stunner]

I guess one could surmise he knew he had a great team this year and wanted to stay but something gives me a gut feeling GP doesn't want to come back home if Snder builds it into a power again, it becomes a lose/lose proposition for an established coach. If you continue winning, well so what Snyder's program. If things go downhill then you have a career breaker. That is why I think if Snyder does indeed do it again, which looks to be a pretty good chance, then his successor will from the Snyder tree and not a top end coach.

Snyder won't build us into a "power" again.  So you shouldn't have anything to worry about.  hth

o rly?

[michigancat]

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

Mike Stoops has the #18 team in the country.  I wish VK was another Mike Stoops.

[steve dave]

SD-for reals question.

How much of the turnaround on the defensive side of the ball to you credit to snydes vs. VK/Cosh?  I have no insidery info/extensive fball knowledge, so from an outsiders perspective it's pretty tough to deny what a turnaround theres been on the defensive side of the ball. How much is snydes involved in gameplanning for D? Not too much would be my thoughts.

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

After the last fiasco its tough for me to see that this entire staff would be dumped and a brand new coach be brought in. More risk involved. Not saying thats right or wrong, just what i think might happen.

I'm prolly not the best person to ask.  TP or ksu_FAN, you wanna field this one? 

[michigancat]

SD-for reals question.

How much of the turnaround on the defensive side of the ball to you credit to snydes vs. VK/Cosh?  I have no insidery info/extensive fball knowledge, so from an outsiders perspective it's pretty tough to deny what a turnaround theres been on the defensive side of the ball. How much is snydes involved in gameplanning for D? Not too much would be my thoughts.

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

After the last fiasco its tough for me to see that this entire staff would be dumped and a brand new coach be brought in. More risk involved. Not saying thats right or wrong, just what i think might happen.

I'm prolly not the best person to ask.  TP or ksu_FAN, you wanna field this one? 

I'll answer - it's because all offenses in the league are worse.  In conference games, we've gone from 10th last year to 9th this year in YPP.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html

This year, there are 8 teams that have a better ypp average than the best team last year.

[michigancat]

SD-for reals question.

How much of the turnaround on the defensive side of the ball to you credit to snydes vs. VK/Cosh?  I have no insidery info/extensive fball knowledge, so from an outsiders perspective it's pretty tough to deny what a turnaround theres been on the defensive side of the ball. How much is snydes involved in gameplanning for D? Not too much would be my thoughts.

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

After the last fiasco its tough for me to see that this entire staff would be dumped and a brand new coach be brought in. More risk involved. Not saying thats right or wrong, just what i think might happen.

I'm prolly not the best person to ask.  TP or ksu_FAN, you wanna field this one? 

I'll answer - it's because all offenses in the league are worse.  In conference games, we've gone from 10th last year to 9th this year in YPP.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2008/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html

This year, there are 8 teams that have a better ypp average than the best team last year.

Just going to bump this amazing insight that was shamefully ignored.

[mcmwcat]

I wouldnt be ecstatic about VK as the next HC, but what he's done on D has been pretty solid so I could see why he would be next in line.  But very possible he's just another excellent D-Coord/terrible HC (mike stoops).

Mike Stoops has the #18 team in the country.  I wish VK was another Mike Stoops.

 M Stoops must have been crushed to let Michael Smith go.  who did they hire to fill his spot?

[Belvis Noland]

I'll answer - it's because all offenses in the league are worse.  In conference games, we've gone from 10th last year to 9th this year in YPP.

There may be some truth to this.  At the same time, I think there are a few other factors at play.  For one, I think our improved running offense has greatly benefited our D.  I don't care to do the research, but I have watched every game this season and I am quite confident that 2009 time of posession is greatly improved over 2008.  Thus, there should be a direct negative correlation to the number of offensive possessions our opponents have had in 2009.  Our greatly reduced number of turnovers and increased number of forced turnovers have also kept our D off the field. 

Coaching is clearly another factor.  Prince tried to replicate the quick-fix spread offense.  He knew our JuCo Defensive Coordinator couldn't gameplan for sh1t and that the only way to compete was to score a lot of points.  Unfortunately, our passing game was simply subpar.  "3-and-out" was a common theme last year.  And by the 4th Q, Wyatt would be talking about how gassed the D looked. 

Long story short, several reasons the D is playing better this year. 

[Catfanatic]

Comeon people you haven't been watching this year if you do not see massive improvements on our defense from the past regime. We are fundementally (gap) sound on our assignments and we are tackling much better.

Under Prince our defense could neither tackle or stay assignment sound. I remember watching our defense the last couple years and thinking back to when my kids played soccer at the grade school level. Every kid would follow the ball and all chase each other. Prince's led defense with his NAIA coaches were an embarassment both to KSU and the big 12 in general. This year we did have one embarassment in Lubboch but at least the defense didn't quit playing like they did several times under Prince.

This year's defense might not be the most talented but they are vastly improved over last year and I for one attribute most if not all of it to coaching.

[Kat Kid]

Comeon people you haven't been watching this year if you do not see massive improvements on our defense from the past regime. We are fundementally (gap) sound on our assignments and we are tackling much better.

Under Prince our defense could neither tackle or stay assignment sound. I remember watching our defense the last couple years and thinking back to when my kids played soccer at the grade school level. Every kid would follow the ball and all chase each other. Prince's led defense with his NAIA coaches were an embarassment both to KSU and the big 12 in general. This year we did have one embarassment in Lubboch but at least the defense didn't quit playing like they did several times under Prince.

This year's defense might not be the most talented but they are vastly improved over last year and I for one attribute most if not all of it to coaching.

not really.

[Catfanatic]

So you're saying you have not see much difference in this years defense over the past couple kat kid? Wow is all I can say

[cireksu]

defense looks better because

1.  Offense is great at running the ball and not turning it over.

2.  teams are averaging 10 less plays per game.

3.  We get 2.5 takeaways per game.


Basically our defense is the 03 chiefs D.

[fatty fat fat]

defense looks better because

1.  Offense is great at running the ball and not turning it over.

2.  teams are averaging 10 less plays per game.

3.  We get 2.5 takeaways per game.


Basically our defense is the 03 chiefs D.

our defense has been absurd good at home. don't be a dumbf*ck, please.