I do not like how KSU matches up with Mizzou...

[The Manhatter]

1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, OU, and Reesing threw for a lot of yards)

2) Gabbert is a load and if he gets in the open field, unlike Reesing, he can get 5-10 extra yards after contact while HOLDING onto the ball.   He obviously has a lot of chemistry with his receivers judging by his numbers.

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  It also works against ku due to their poor LB play and base defense.  But Mizzou runs more of a hybrid 4-2-5 and with LB's like Sean Weatherspoon.  I'll put it this way...Braden Wilson lead blocking on ku's Springer is not like blocking 'spoon.  Did I mention Aldon Smith?  OMG, leads the Big 12 in sacks as a freshman and possesses an albatross-like wingspan that is the envy of 747's.  Mizzou is a top 15 rushing defense...anybody notice that?


4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. Mizzou...this game may be even bigger for Mizzou.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

[EllToPay]

love when you do this

[Pete]

Totally agree, but I also said this last week.

[Dick Knewheizel]

Is this a joke???

[The Kaiser]

but that said, Missouri has the second worst coach in the Big 12, I doubt he has analyzed this to the same depth of 'Hatter, while Snyd's is rolling right now.  KSU is going to roll Mizzou.  MAJOR coaching advantage the next 3 weeks to KSU IMHO.

[The Manhatter]

I'm serious here guys.  The one team that has REALLY laid it on thick was Tech.  Same line splits and formations.  But a more talented and mobile QB guiding the attack.  Like Tech going suck in a week Mizzou did the same thing against Baylor.  BUT did you see how they went right through Colorado in Boulder?  I don't care how bad CU may be this year that doesn't happen in Boulder unless it's maybe a Vince Young UT team or something.  And that same CU team did a number of aTm's offense this week.  

[Pete]

I'm serious here guys.  The one team that has REALLY laid it on thick was Tech.  Same line splits and formations.  But a more talented and mobile QB guiding the attack.  Like Tech going suck in a week Mizzou did the same thing against Baylor.  BUT did you see how they went right through Colorado in Boulder?  I don't care how bad CU may be this year that doesn't happen in Boulder unless it's maybe a Vince Young UT team or something.  And that same CU team did a number of aTm's offense this week.  

I am praying that Pinkel's team is Pinkel's team.  In the past, when their expectations for their season have been crapped on, they have played poorly.

[The Manhatter]

but that said, Missouri has the second worst coach in the Big 12, I doubt he has analyzed this to the same depth of 'Hatter, while Snyd's is rolling right now.  KSU is going to roll Mizzou.  MAJOR coaching advantage the next 3 weeks to KSU IMHO.

Let me get this straight.  Mizzou wins back to back Big 12 North titles and has the "second worst coach in the Big 12"?

Please explain.

[Haverhill]

1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, OU, and Reesing threw for a lot of yards)

2) Gabbert is a load and if he gets in the open field, unlike Reesing, he can get 5-10 extra yards after contact while HOLDING onto the ball.   He obviously has a lot of chemistry with his receivers judging by his numbers.

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  It also works against ku due to their poor LB play and base defense.  But Mizzou runs more of a hybrid 4-2-5 and with LB's like Sean Weatherspoon.  I'll put it this way...Braden Wilson lead blocking on ku's Springer is not like blocking 'spoon.  Did I mention Aldon Smith?  OMG, leads the Big 12 in sacks as a freshman and possesses an albatross-like wingspan that is the envy of 747's.  Mizzou is a top 15 rushing defense...anybody notice that?


4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. Mizzou...this game may be even bigger for Mizzou.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

Thanks for bringing up one of my all-time favorite attended games. 

[wiley03]

Missouri is perplexing....not 1 TD scored in the second half during the big 12 schedule...not 1
 

[Pete]

Missouri is perplexing....not 1 TD scored in the second half during the big 12 schedule...not 1
 

Holy crap, I hadn't heard that stat.  This is nuts.

Lee Corso was right? 

[Legend]

1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, OU, and Reesing threw for a lot of yards)

2) Gabbert is a load and if he gets in the open field, unlike Reesing, he can get 5-10 extra yards after contact while HOLDING onto the ball.   He obviously has a lot of chemistry with his receivers judging by his numbers.

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  It also works against ku due to their poor LB play and base defense.  But Mizzou runs more of a hybrid 4-2-5 and with LB's like Sean Weatherspoon.  I'll put it this way...Braden Wilson lead blocking on ku's Springer is not like blocking 'spoon.  Did I mention Aldon Smith?  OMG, leads the Big 12 in sacks as a freshman and possesses an albatross-like wingspan that is the envy of 747's.  Mizzou is a top 15 rushing defense...anybody notice that?


4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. Mizzou...this game may be even bigger for Mizzou.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

MU is weak.  Like OU, they don't know how to handle it when you hit them in the mouth.  they gave 42 points to freaking Baylor.  Keep them from big plays, they don't score.  It just takes some teams time to adjust to the speed, but once they do, MU sucks.  Waiting for you to eat some crow for last weeks, "I gotta bad feeling," episode.
 

[nfl13]

1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, OU, and Reesing threw for a lot of yards)

2) Gabbert is a load and if he gets in the open field, unlike Reesing, he can get 5-10 extra yards after contact while HOLDING onto the ball.   He obviously has a lot of chemistry with his receivers judging by his numbers.

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  It also works against ku due to their poor LB play and base defense.  But Mizzou runs more of a hybrid 4-2-5 and with LB's like Sean Weatherspoon.  I'll put it this way...Braden Wilson lead blocking on ku's Springer is not like blocking 'spoon.  Did I mention Aldon Smith?  OMG, leads the Big 12 in sacks as a freshman and possesses an albatross-like wingspan that is the envy of 747's.  Mizzou is a top 15 rushing defense...anybody notice that?


4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. Mizzou...this game may be even bigger for Mizzou.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

All this from a 3rd string center from Pit St.........

[PCR]

Good stuff Hatter.  I don't like our chances this week either FWIW.   

[Legore]

I think this is a tougher game then the ku game was.  Still think we can win but Gregory is going to have to throw the ball better then he did vs. ku.   We completed 1 pass in the second half for one yard that won't cut it vs. MU.   If you can get MU off balance you can light them up but we'll need to throw to do that.   They struggled against the run vs. Nevada who is multiple in the run game like we are. 

Defensively as far as matchups go it's kind of like ku.  Need to shut down the run and force them to throw it.  Once we do that we need to just tackle well and keep them from making big plays after the catch.  Alexander is the guy to watch he's a load we need to tackle him well.   IMO he's got more big play potential then Briscoe.   I don't agree with the part about giving up lots of yards to ku we gave up 240 which is good vs. a that throws it almost every down.  Less then 6.0 yards per passing attempt which is winning defensive football especially against a team that relys on the pass. 

[1992]

Colo turnover machine gave MU a number of short fields early as I recall.  Their smacking of CU doesn't really scare me much.

Should be a good game though...agreed.

[wiley03]

Have no freaking clue what coaching staff is going to show up from Mizzou.  Players yelling at coaches on the sideline....lol

[fatty fat fat]

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

You cannot slip this one by me! We were 4-6 heading into the 2004 ISU game.  

[catdude33]

'hatter, have you seen the way our purple has rolled at home this year?  This one is in the bag.

[Legend]

I think this is a tougher game then the ku game was.  Still think we can win but Gregory is going to have to throw the ball better then he did vs. ku.   We completed 1 pass in the second half for one yard that won't cut it vs. MU.   If you can get MU off balance you can light them up but we'll need to throw to do that.   They struggled against the run vs. Nevada who is multiple in the run game like we are. 

Defensively as far as matchups go it's kind of like ku.  Need to shut down the run and force them to throw it.  Once we do that we need to just tackle well and keep them from making big plays after the catch.  Alexander is the guy to watch he's a load we need to tackle him well.   IMO he's got more big play potential then Briscoe.   I don't agree with the part about giving up lots of yards to ku we gave up 240 which is good vs. a that throws it almost every down.  Less then 6.0 yards per passing attempt which is winning defensive football especially against a team that relys on the pass. 

Grant Gregory threw it fine.  He had several dropped balls, and his receivers stopped running the routes way too early.  He put the ball in a place where only his receivers could get to the ball.  He was not going to put in a position where it could get intercepted.

[catzacker]

k-state doesn't match up well against anyone.  i mean, on offense we have, what?  Thomas and Banks.  On defense we have, what?  Fitzgerald.  somehow we've played really well at home and like dogsh*t on the road (save for about 15 minutes at OU).  i hope we can continue to play well at home, but at some point talent (or our lack thereof) has to win out, doesn't it?  we absolutely have to win this game because we really have no shot in lincoln, imo.

[fatty fat fat]

k-state doesn't match up well against anyone.  i mean, on offense we have, what?  Thomas and Banks.  On defense we have, what?  Fitzgerald.  somehow we've played really well at home and like dogsh*t on the road (save for about 15 minutes at OU).  i hope we can continue to play well at home, but at some point talent (or our lack thereof) has to win out, doesn't it?  we absolutely have to win this game because we really have no shot in lincoln, imo.

dear god. i mean, seriously.

fatty, step away.

[catzacker]

k-state doesn't match up well against anyone.  i mean, on offense we have, what?  Thomas and Banks.  On defense we have, what?  Fitzgerald.  somehow we've played really well at home and like dogsh*t on the road (save for about 15 minutes at OU).  i hope we can continue to play well at home, but at some point talent (or our lack thereof) has to win out, doesn't it?  we absolutely have to win this game because we really have no shot in lincoln, imo.

dear god. i mean, seriously.

fatty, step away.

 

[blackman-era-front-rower]

k-state doesn't match up well against anyone.  i mean, on offense we have, what?  Thomas and Banks.  On defense we have, what?  Fitzgerald.  somehow we've played really well at home and like dogsh*t on the road (save for about 15 minutes at OU).  i hope we can continue to play well at home, but at some point talent (or our lack thereof) has to win out, doesn't it?  we absolutely have to win this game because we really have no shot in lincoln, imo.

i know it's a slap to the emaw euphoria.. but i think 'zacker is close to dead-on... imho this week comes down to coaching... and that makes me smile... in how many of our games have we been the favorite? dog every time?  

[Legore]

I think this is a tougher game then the ku game was.  Still think we can win but Gregory is going to have to throw the ball better then he did vs. ku.   We completed 1 pass in the second half for one yard that won't cut it vs. MU.   If you can get MU off balance you can light them up but we'll need to throw to do that.   They struggled against the run vs. Nevada who is multiple in the run game like we are. 

Defensively as far as matchups go it's kind of like ku.  Need to shut down the run and force them to throw it.  Once we do that we need to just tackle well and keep them from making big plays after the catch.  Alexander is the guy to watch he's a load we need to tackle him well.   IMO he's got more big play potential then Briscoe.   I don't agree with the part about giving up lots of yards to ku we gave up 240 which is good vs. a that throws it almost every down.  Less then 6.0 yards per passing attempt which is winning defensive football especially against a team that relys on the pass. 

Grant Gregory threw it fine.  He had several dropped balls, and his receivers stopped running the routes way too early.  He put the ball in a place where only his receivers could get to the ball.  He was not going to put in a position where it could get intercepted.

I didn't think he threw it well and neither did Snyder.  He said so in his post game press conference.  Doesn't really matter whose fault it was though the bottom line is we have to complete more passes at a higher percentage.  43% or whatever it was vs. ku won't cut it against MU.  That means QB's, WR's etc all need to step it up. 

[WilliesToeNail]

I think this is a tougher game then the ku game was.  Still think we can win but Gregory is going to have to throw the ball better then he did vs. ku.   We completed 1 pass in the second half for one yard that won't cut it vs. MU.   If you can get MU off balance you can light them up but we'll need to throw to do that.   They struggled against the run vs. Nevada who is multiple in the run game like we are. 

Defensively as far as matchups go it's kind of like ku.  Need to shut down the run and force them to throw it.  Once we do that we need to just tackle well and keep them from making big plays after the catch.  Alexander is the guy to watch he's a load we need to tackle him well.   IMO he's got more big play potential then Briscoe.   I don't agree with the part about giving up lots of yards to ku we gave up 240 which is good vs. a that throws it almost every down.  Less then 6.0 yards per passing attempt which is winning defensive football especially against a team that relys on the pass. 

Surprised this hasn't been discussed more. I only could listen to the game, but it sounded like Gregory sucked it up most of the game. Balls overthrown, underthrown, "way to the right", etc. We only had 66 yards passing. That can't be all bad routes by the wideouts. Is he that bad or was uk's defense making him suck ass?

[Special_K]

1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, OU, and Reesing threw for a lot of yards)

2) Gabbert is a load and if he gets in the open field, unlike Reesing, he can get 5-10 extra yards after contact while HOLDING onto the ball.   He obviously has a lot of chemistry with his receivers judging by his numbers.

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  It also works against ku due to their poor LB play and base defense.  But Mizzou runs more of a hybrid 4-2-5 and with LB's like Sean Weatherspoon.  I'll put it this way...Braden Wilson lead blocking on ku's Springer is not like blocking 'spoon.  Did I mention Aldon Smith?  OMG, leads the Big 12 in sacks as a freshman and possesses an albatross-like wingspan that is the envy of 747's.  Mizzou is a top 15 rushing defense...anybody notice that?


4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. Mizzou...this game may be even bigger for Mizzou.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like ISU '04 after coming back with a few wins we think we can get to bowl eligibility and we're leading by a few scores at the half.  Sproles is running for a zillion yards on the ground.  Then a young ISU QB starts hitting that tall, white receiver for huge plays everywhere (Danario Alexander in this week's scenario).

6) Coaching: Snyder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pinkel

This team reminds me a lot of some of Snyder's earlier years at KSU. People kept doubting us, kept thinking the next game would be the one we'd lose and do us in, and we just kept winning.

To paraphrase a quote from Tigerboard: "Snyder is lightyears ahead of Pinkel in coaching, miles ahead of most" 

[Catfanatic]

 I do not like how KSU matches up with ku...
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:04:27 pm » 

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1) We don't get much pass rush.  VERY inexperienced in the secondary.  Good passing teams have picked us apart (Tech w/ Sheffield, and OU)

2) Reesing is mobile and he has a lot of chemistry with his receivers (prolly both on & off the field...eeeuuuwww!!)

3) Snyder's offense works against OU's defense because OU is NOT an assignment disciplined D rather they turn their players loose in a "controlled chaos" type fashion.  That is why w/ the duel threat running game and mobile OL(yes, our OL is mobile) we can create running lanes, cutbacks, etc.  ku is more fundamentally sound w/ regards to their own assignments. 

4) While I realize this game is HUGE for KSU given the past few years vs. ku, Snyder's return, etc, etc...this game may be even bigger for ku.  They had big expectations, they're wounded, cornered, and they need this one in the worst way.  They have the team that has been embarrassed this year from their season.

5) I hate to say it but this one smells like CU '01 after coming back from OU "moral victory" '01.  Yes, this ku team is nothing

I guess you don't like the way we match up with spread offenses. Sooner or later you will probably be right but considering mu lost at home to Baylor and rushed the ball 25 times for 10 yards and the fact the Snyder has never lost to Pinkel makes me think we might have a small chance at winning Saturday  

[Dick Knewheizel]

I'm serious here guys.  The one team that has REALLY laid it on thick was Tech.  Same line splits and formations.  But a more talented and mobile QB guiding the attack.  Like Tech going suck in a week Mizzou did the same thing against Baylor.  BUT did you see how they went right through Colorado in Boulder?  I don't care how bad CU may be this year that doesn't happen in Boulder unless it's maybe a Vince Young UT team or something.  And that same CU team did a number of aTm's offense this week.  

You need to forget about the Tech game, at this point in the season it's the exception not the rule.  Nobody in the conference runs an offense like theirs.  The only similarity b/w MU and Tech is the O-Line splits.

P.S. Gabbert is not as mobile as Sheffield so you can forget that

[Redmen1]

FWIW-  Grant Gregory had two touchdown passes dropped.  Lamark Brown had the one in the north endzone hit his hands.  I was sitting on the west side by the endzone and Lamark should have caught that pass.  It was not overthrown!  Then Brandon Banks dropped a pass that hit him right on the numbers that was an easy 6.  So, while GG might not have had a good day passing he certainly didn't have any help.