can any of you figure ku out?...

[The Manhatter]

all biases aside.  I think we can all agree Mangino IS a good coach.  He's had 8 years with that program now and he has so much experience offensively, especially at the skill positions.  I realize he's got some inexperience on the OL but no less than what Snyder's working with experience-wise and yet it's their first year under Dickey in this run first offense.

Defensively they had nearly everybody back on their DL, Stuckey,...they basically had new LB's.

And they're stinking up the joint.  This SHOULD have been their year.  As it stands next year will likely be a rebuilding year.  Reesing's gone, Meier's gone, and you know Briscoe's going pro whether his stock has dropped or not.  Sharp is gone. 

The only thing I can come up with is they have new leadership coaching the defense and, offensively, they placed WAY too much emphasis on little Todd and have not put in the time at working on running the ball.  That seems to have cost them on both sides of the ball with regards to rushing.

[mavrick1821]

Sorry.  I don't buy it that Mangino is a "good" coach.  His teams have never really played defense that well.  Even when KSU was at it's best, we put far more players in the NFL on DEFENSE than we did on offense.  We won the game today on Defense and running the ball when it counted.  Pretty much the gameplan for KSU dominating ku under Snyder.

[fatty fat fat]

mangino is now 23-38 vs big 12 oppy's. that's, so bad.

[catzacker]

I think Mangino/Werner gives up on the run way too early.  

[Leyton]

Sorry.  I don't buy it that Mangino is a "good" coach.  His teams have never really played defense that well.  Even when KSU was at it's best, we put far more players in the NFL on DEFENSE than we did on offense.  We won the game today on Defense and running the ball when it counted.  Pretty much the gameplan for KSU dominating ku under Snyder.

Dude, their defense was pretty amazing in 2007.  Are you kidding?  I mean...their schedule was a cupcake bar, but they were pretty salty.

[WillieWannabe]

Compared to what ku was earlier this decade. Mangino is a "good" coach, but not great.

[mavrick1821]

'07 was 1 year out of 8!  Snyder's Defense's show up year in and year out.  That is why I consider Snyder a great coach (among many other things) and why I think Mangino is OK, but nothing great.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'd say about the only things Mangino does "good" are (1) recruit, and (2) schedule a cupcake non-con to routinely make bowl games.  He's had a little success in a weak Big 12 N the past few years, but he can't win the big games.  So, no, I don't agree that Mangino is a good coach.

But people who say he'll be on the hot seat at the end of this season are kidding themselves.  uk ain't firing Mangino because (1) 7-5 seasons are just fine for a basketball school, and (2) who else is uk gonna get?

[Leyton]

'07 was 1 year out of 8!  Snyder's Defense's show up year in and year out.  That is why I consider Snyder a great coach (among many other things) and why I think Mangino is OK, but nothing great.

I didn't say that Mangino was a great coach. I don't think he is.  I think he's the best coach ku has had in a long time, though.  You said that ku never had a very good defense, which was kind of a difficult statement to defend.

[feralchat]

Mangino's teams played hard early in his tenure. When you wanted them to just go belly up, they'd win a few and give the team and fan base hope.
This year's bunch doesn't have that. I think part of it is sparkles party boy ways have caught up with him. Definite lack of preparation, there, that Synder wouldn't tolerate. And he, Sharp and others are playing banged up (but that's no excuse, they're playing unlike our best O- and D-linemen). Also have a sad-sack defensive coordinator. That's a very important position, especially with an offensive minded head coach.
And, finally, they're ku. Losing is what they do.

[Leyton]

Reesing looks like he's never seen the inside of a weight room.  I mean...wow.  Did he negotiate that into his scholarship offer or something?  He's frail like a grandmother out there.  Amazing that he hasn't had a season-ending injury yet.

Hard to do bench presses when you've got the delirium tremens from the boxed wines, I guess. 

[mavrick1821]

'07 was 1 year out of 8!  Snyder's Defense's show up year in and year out.  That is why I consider Snyder a great coach (among many other things) and why I think Mangino is OK, but nothing great.

I didn't say that Mangino was a great coach. I don't think he is.  I think he's the best coach ku has had in a long time, though.  You said that ku never had a very good defense, which was kind of a difficult statement to defend.

I will agree Mangino is the best coach ku has had in many years.  As for his defense coaching, I should have said they consistently allow loads of points and '07 was the only year in his 8 that they played good defense.

[wildcat79]

Mangino is a good coach imho. Not a great one. Let me just say this. Look at Snyder and look at Mangino. You know Snyder talks the talk and walks the walk. Snyder doesn't ask his players to do something that he won't. Snyder is setting the standard by his example. I don't think Mangino does. You know if Mangino got up and said you know what? "I'm FAT and I plan on doing something about it." and then did,  he could be an inspiration for all. He won't do it though. So I think looking at the two shaking hands at the center of the field pretty much says it all.

[fatty fat fat]

mangino is a great great coach, just impossible to win @ ku.

[feralchat]

Another point, their success of two years ago over a cupcake schedule came back to bite them. They wasn't enough commitment to get better (Orange Bowl champs, bFd) and didn't realize how hard they would have to work to take the next step.

[kcchiefdav]

If Mangino leaves/gets fired from ku before Snyder retires, I'd be happy to have him as our coach here (assuming his health is still manageable). I think the guy is a phenomenal coach who has done some pretty incredible things at ku despite the deck being stacked against him. He's no Bill Snyder, but I'd take him about 75-80% of guys coaching in college today. That being said, he's kinda falling into some of Snyder's mistakes from 04-05 in that he's not doing a good job of getting first choice assistant coaches to come in and replace the guys who leave.

[Legore]

I think Mangino is an ok coach not great but ok.  He's not the same guy without Bill Young as his d-cordinator I think that is huge.  On offense Reesing, Meier, and Briscoe are good and I think they just got lazy and have relied on them too much.  Have not developed an o-line or a run game.  

Also they have obviously made some bad recruiting mistakes.  Their classes have been decent rankings wise but they have holes that you wouldn't expect for a mature program.  Not to brag but I saw this before the season and tried to tell BMW in a couple of threads.  Must just be some missed evaluations on some kids.   Kind of reminds me of our 2005 team but with a way better QB.  They don't have much talent in the o-line at all and the kids they do have with experience have not devloped like you would expect.  Jeff Spikes was suppossed to be their stud o-lineman and he got benched before the game today.  Their best o-linemen are Capra a converted LB with limited talent and Thorsen who is a transfer walk-on I believe.    The secondary isn't good either beyind Stucky there just isn't much speed or athletic ability back there.  We couldn't get him the ball but how many times did Banks get behind them?  They had no answer for his speed they had no answer for Thomas they had no answers for a lot things.  Lubbock Smith the freshman safety who recently moved into the starting lineup looks like he can be good but I don't see a lot else over there.   Mangino is in trouble.  

[fatty fat fat]

they had aqib talib in 2007. That guy was one of the greatest in big 12 history.

[PCR]

Kansas' South schedule makes it impossible to know what they are from year to year.  If K-State had their schedule, you wouldn't hear the end of it from Bill (although our open w/ 2 on the road thing is similarly problematic.)  

Mangino is a fine coach but he's not a conference championship type coach.  ku is happy with what they've got because of the basketball program.

[Legore]

Kansas' South schedule makes it impossible to know what they are from year to year.  If K-State had their schedule, you wouldn't hear the end of it from Bill (although our open w/ 2 on the road thing is similarly problematic.)  

Mangino is a fine coach but he's not a conference championship type coach.  ku is happy with what they've got because of the basketball program.

They may not be happy with they got much longer if they finish last in the big 12 during Todd Reesing's senior season. 

[Pett]

Nope, not at all. But I sure hope that they solve their problems by next weekend so they can beat NU for us...

[sonofdaxjones]

Mangino can't handle these type of schedules . . . multiple tough/rivalry games on successive weekends.    Give the guy a 77th SOS schedule, lots of talent, with one 1 game against a Final Top 25 team, he'll do well.

[85catbacker]

If Mangino leaves/gets fired from ku before Snyder retires, I'd be happy to have him as our coach here (assuming his health is still manageable). I think the guy is a phenomenal coach who has done some pretty incredible things at ku despite the deck being stacked against him. He's no Bill Snyder, but I'd take him about 75-80% of guys coaching in college today. That being said, he's kinda falling into some of Snyder's mistakes from 04-05 in that he's not doing a good job of getting first choice assistant coaches to come in and replace the guys who leave.

Sorry, can;t agree with you on this one.  Besides feeling Mangino's personality & ethics are what I want to see as a head coach, I don't think he is that good of a coach.  IMO, he road the coattails of Snyder/Stoops at KSU and then Stoops/Leach at OU. His only success at ku at ku when he had a great DC in Bill Young and a favorable schedule.  I would never want to see him as a coach on the sidelines for KSU.

[Big Sam]

all biases aside.  I think we can all agree Mangino IS a good coach.  He's had 8 years with that program now and he has so much experience offensively, especially at the skill positions.  I realize he's got some inexperience on the OL but no less than what Snyder's working with experience-wise and yet it's their first year under Dickey in this run first offense.

Defensively they had nearly everybody back on their DL, Stuckey,...they basically had new LB's.

And they're stinking up the joint.  This SHOULD have been their year.  As it stands next year will likely be a rebuilding year.  Reesing's gone, Meier's gone, and you know Briscoe's going pro whether his stock has dropped or not.  Sharp is gone. 

The only thing I can come up with is they have new leadership coaching the defense and, offensively, they placed WAY too much emphasis on little Todd and have not put in the time at working on running the ball.  That seems to have cost them on both sides of the ball with regards to rushing.

Mangino is decent.  He has been given a nice check to work with and has only gotten so far.  Indeed, he rode the coat tails of a great D-Coordinator for years.  They lost him and we are seeing things work out.

ku has not be changing and adjusting, let alone getting better.  These last few years were a chance to really step up, but all we are seeing is the fatman is shooting blanks.

Sam S.

[Olathecatbanker]

He is not worthy of leading the purple.

[Quagmire]

I would say Magino's coaching career basically depends on how Reesing is playing. If Reesing is playing good, Magino looks like a good coach, if Reesing playing bad, Magino doesn't look so hot.

Before Ressing showed up, Magino had one winning season at 7-5 in 2005.

[ArchE_Cat]

Sorry.  I don't buy it that Mangino is a "good" coach.  His teams have never really played defense that well.  Even when KSU was at it's best, we put far more players in the NFL on DEFENSE than we did on offense.  We won the game today on Defense and running the ball when it counted.  Pretty much the gameplan for KSU dominating ku under Snyder.

Dude, their defense was pretty amazing in 2007.  Are you kidding?  I mean...their schedule was a cupcake bar, but they were pretty salty.

Bill Young not Mangino

[Catfanatic]

To put it simply ku sucks! The 08 year was a joke. nu, ksu, cu all way down and the only big game they had with mu was lost. The schedule flipping this time won't be so easy for them this time because osu is vastly better and a&m is improving as is baylor. mangino might have a 7-8 win seasons in the future but most seasons will be worse. They are not, nor have ever been a fooball power, at least not in my memmory and I have been watching big 8/12 football since the mid 60's.

[Fledermaus]

I would say Magino's coaching career basically depends on how Reesing is playing. If Reesing is playing good, Magino looks like a good coach, if Reesing playing bad, Magino doesn't look so hot.

Before Ressing showed up, Magino had one winning season at 7-5 in 2005.

He may have been sore today, but I'm beginning to think that Briscoe and Meier make Reesing appear better than he actually is.   

[85catbacker]

he's not doing a good job of getting first choice assistant coaches to come in and replace the guys who leave.

We have all heard the wrap against Snyder being tough to work for being a problem in hiring assistants.  He was also loyal to a fault with some coaches on the previous staff that should have been asked not to return.  Mangino seemed to be able to attract quality assistants early on.  However, some quality assistants have left (young, an OC, a young couch that was a good recruiter, etc) and it doesn't look like he was able to replace them with as good of coaches. What changed?  Maybe throwing assistants under the bus during the last NCAA investigation doesn't sit well in the coaching fraternity.