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November 06, 2009, 11:53:47 AM
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Thus far, in Big XII play, Kansas State has played:

Iowa State
Texas Tech
Texxas A&M
Colorado
Oklahoma

The Wildcats have compiled a 3-2 record over that schedule. This may seem like deja vu, but ku has played the following teams in Big XII play:

Iowa State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Texas Tech

Look familiar? ku has compiled a 1-3 record over that schedule.

Considering that Kansas State has played every Big 12 team on ku's schedule thus far, I feel it would be accurate and justified to use Conference statistics as a basis for most of my comparisons.


When Kansas State has the ball

Kansas State is putting up 30 points per game in Conference play. This is slightly skewed by the game against Texas A&M, but there is no question that the current Wildcat offense is much better than the version of itself 6 weeks ago. The Wildcats don't try and mask what the are. What they are is a running team, and it shows as they are 2nd in Conference play averaging 171 yards per game on the ground. Conversely, ku's defense is towards the bottom of the Conference allowing near 150 yards per game. Going further, they have allowed a Conference worst 12 touchdowns on the ground in their four Conference games. To put it simply, everyone in the Conference knows that Kansas State is going to try and run the football. Thus far, nobody has been able to consistently stop them from doing so.

Throwing the football has been a bit of an inconsistency for the Wildcats. Kansas State ranks second to last in Conference play in passing, averaging about 172 yards per game (how's that for balance). Although something that may surprise most folks, the Wildcats behind Grant Gregory have completed 66% of their passes iin Conference play. ku comes into the game allowing nearly 245 yards per game through the air, although they have appeared to do a reasonable job of at least slowing the passing attacks of both Oklahoma and Texas Tech at times.

Some peripheral statistics regarding this matchup:

- Kansas State is 2nd in the Conference in time of possession at nearly 33 minutes per game
- Kansas State is towards the top of the Conference with only 6 turnovers lost in 5 games
- ku is near the bottom in forcing turnovers, with 8 in four games
- ku ranks dead last in Conference play in scoring defense allowing almost 37 points per game

In all, I feel really good about the matchup that Kansas State's offense has in this game, and think they should be able to string together some significant drives and keep the Wildcats ahead in the field position battle as well.


When ku has the ball

ku has struggled some recently offensively, only putting up three total offensive touchdowns in their last two games combined. That said, they still possess some potent offensive weapons, particularly in the passing game. ku is second in Conference play, putting up over 320 yards per game through the air. Kansas State is dead last in the Conference in passing defense, allowing over 300 yards per game through the air. While that number is skewed greatly by the 700 yards Texas Tech put up against the Wildcats (200 ypg against all other opponents), Kansas State has still had some difficulty at times against the pass. More specifically, tackling players after they make the catch.

ku could have a bit tougher go of things when they try to run the football. The Jayhawks are averaging just over 60 yards per game on the ground, and while one would think this is due to their emphasis on the pass, that is actually not the case. They have attempted nearly 30 carries per game, and are averaging a mere 2.2 yards per carry on those attempts. So, it isn't as if ku hasn't tried to run the football, they simply haven't been able to. While Kansas State hasn't been completely dominant against the run, they have been fairly steady at at least limiting opponent's gains on the ground. They rank right in the middle of the pack, allowing roughly 120 yards per game on the ground in Conference play.

Some peripheral statistics regarding this matchup:

- Kansas State is 3rd in Conference play with 13 takeaways
- ku has 10 giveaways in 4 games
- Kansas State ranks 3rd in Conference play, collecting 13 quarterback sacks in 5 games
- ku is 10th in Conference play, allowing 14 sacks in 4 games
- ku is 5th in Conference play in time of possession at just under 31 minutes per game

In all, Kansas State is going to need to make ku one dimensional. The ability of the defensive secondary to make open field tackles will be key. One statistic that kept popping out at me were the sacks, as the Wildcats are near the top of the Conference in Sacks By and the Jayhawks are near the bottom in Sacks Allowed. Ultimately, I expect ku to be able to move the ball at times in this game, but it will be Kansas State's ability to make big plays (sacks/turnovers) that will be the determining factor in how the Wildcat defense is viewed after this game.


X-Factors

Believe me, I'm digging as deep as I can to find some angles where ku has a marked advantage (as not to sound biased), but I'm having a hard time finding too many variables that favor the Jayhawks in this game. Bill Snyder has a career 3-1 record against Mark Mangino as a head coach, and has only lost 4 times to Kansas in his entire head coaching career. So you can bet his players know the importance of this game and will be supremely prepared to play in it.

Kansas State is 2-0 at home this season in Conference play, whereas ku is 0-2 in Conference road games. Kansas has lost 5 consecutive game against the spread, and 3 consecutive games straight up. On the other hand, Kansas State is 3-2 in their last 5, and 4-1 against the spread.

Special teams seem to always play a key role in big games like these. There appears to be no significant difference in each team's punting average, however Kansas is only 9th in the Conference in kickoff coverage. On the other end of the field, we all know how dangerous Brandon Banks is as a returner, and he has led the Wildcats to 1st place in the Conference in both return average (25) and touchdowns (2).


Wrap-up

In the end, I tried very hard to be as impartial as possible with this analysis. It is a very similar look that I give to many games I view as potential wagers. Unfortunately for Kansas, the road team, there isn't much that favors them in this game. Kansas State has the statistical edge in turnovers, time of possession, sacks, and special teams. Those are typically the areas that teams need to exploit when they try to win on the road in a hostile environment.

After the dust settles, I see ku's offense being able to have some statistical success against Kansas State. But I look for the Kansas State defense, that has had a recent history of big plays, to force some game changing turnovers and sacks. Offensively, I feel very confident in Kansas State's ability to implement diverse the gameplan that Coach Snyder wants to carry out, and I see several long and time consuming drives that end in points. Did I mention Kansas State is 6-6 kicking field goals thus far in Conference play?


Kansas State: 31
Kansas: 20

November 06, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
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November 06, 2009, 12:02:13 PM
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November 06, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
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That guy is more long winded than novembereleven.  At least he's not living in the past.

November 06, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
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That was good stuff. Need him to post one of those weekly over here to complement SDs fight threads.  :fatty:

November 06, 2009, 12:12:38 PM
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not reading..too long. summary anyone?
Show me defense.

November 06, 2009, 12:18:10 PM
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The summary is: We're going to Win  :love:

November 06, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
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jesus, what an idiot.

November 06, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
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Didn't read but a smidge here and there, but here's an x-factor.  This squawk team hasn't lost to KSU.  Should give a confidence point.

November 06, 2009, 12:31:07 PM
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not reading..too long. summary anyone?

blah blah blah ksu and uk are playing blah blah blah in playing same teams ksu looks better blah blah blah uk passing stats better - uk will have some success passing blah blah blah OBz will mix it up on the offense blah blah blah ksu's recent defense will be the difference maker blah blah blah uk better not let little man Banks run wild.

November 06, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
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not reading..too long. summary anyone?

blah blah blah ksu and uk are playing blah blah blah in playing same teams ksu looks better blah blah blah uk passing stats better - uk will have some success passing blah blah blah OBz will mix it up on the offense blah blah blah ksu's recent defense will be the difference maker blah blah blah uk better not let little man Banks run wild.

that's what I thought, thanks.
Show me defense.

November 06, 2009, 12:36:56 PM
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might have been a good read had I not known that YMBB is the biggest homer on GPC

November 06, 2009, 12:37:12 PM
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Why didn't he throw out the aTm stats?

November 06, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
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Great analysis. I didn't realize how well our conference opponents lined up. Its certainly hard to argue the statistical comparisons.

By the way, why would you throw out the game that turned around your season? If you throw out A&M, then you should throw at Tech too since its an outlier.

November 06, 2009, 12:40:21 PM
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From "YoureMyBoyBuhl"....
X-Factors

Believe me, I'm digging as deep as I can to find some angles where ku has a marked advantage (as not to sound biased), but I'm having a hard time finding too many variables that favor the Jayhawks in this game. Bill Snyder has a career 3-1 record against Mark Mangino as a head coach, and has only lost 4 times to Kansas in his entire head coaching career. So you can bet his players know the importance of this game and will be supremely prepared to play in it.

Wrap-up

In the end, I tried very hard to be as impartial as possible with this analysis. It is a very similar look that I give to many games I view as potential wagers. Unfortunately for Kansas, the road team, there isn't much that favors them in this game.

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what a supremely dumb write up   :flush:


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

New warning: Don't get in a fight with someone who doesn't even need to bother to buy ink.

November 06, 2009, 12:41:12 PM
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Great analysis. I didn't realize how well our conference opponents lined up. Its certainly hard to argue the statistical comparisons.

By the way, why would you throw out the game that turned around your season? If you throw out A&M, then you should throw at Tech too since its an outlier.

You throw out aTm because it isn't a common opponent, not because it's an "outlier."  Only use common opponents, or else this is all just  :jerkoff:

It totally changes the analysis.

November 06, 2009, 12:50:13 PM
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Great analysis. I didn't realize how well our conference opponents lined up. Its certainly hard to argue the statistical comparisons.

By the way, why would you throw out the game that turned around your season? If you throw out A&M, then you should throw at Tech too since its an outlier.

You throw out aTm because it isn't a common opponent, not because it's an "outlier."  Only use common opponents, or else this is all just  :jerkoff:

It totally changes the analysis.

And not in our favor.

November 06, 2009, 12:52:35 PM
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Also, LMAO at that dude "handicapping" games for like, real money.

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November 06, 2009, 01:01:53 PM
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Pretty tough.  I suppose someone might use the following though:


November 06, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
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what sucks is that we have Banks for punt returns but I don't think ku will be punting more than 1 or 2 times all game.
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November 06, 2009, 01:06:07 PM
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Great analysis. I didn't realize how well our conference opponents lined up. Its certainly hard to argue the statistical comparisons.

By the way, why would you throw out the game that turned around your season? If you throw out A&M, then you should throw at Tech too since its an outlier.

You throw out aTm because it isn't a common opponent, not because it's an "outlier."  Only use common opponents, or else this is all just  :jerkoff:

It totally changes the analysis.

He's also ignoring the fact that we have played 5 conference games when most everyone else has played 4.  Skews stats like sacks, takeaways etc.   

November 06, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
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November 06, 2009, 01:10:46 PM
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Not bad, but he overlooked 3 major x-factors:

(1)  The squawks are up against the wall.  This is their last opportunity to turn their season around.

(2)  These particular squawks have never lost to the Cats.

(3)  We know what Sparkles/Briscoe/Meier are capable of.  They've torched us before.  At some point, you gotta think they snap out of their funk.

We're gonna need some help tomorrow in the special teams / turnover departments.

November 06, 2009, 01:10:59 PM
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Maybe we should let the ku statisticians go against our statisticians and the last calculator working wins.

November 06, 2009, 01:13:03 PM
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Great analysis. I didn't realize how well our conference opponents lined up. Its certainly hard to argue the statistical comparisons.

By the way, why would you throw out the game that turned around your season? If you throw out A&M, then you should throw at Tech too since its an outlier.

You throw out aTm because it isn't a common opponent, not because it's an "outlier."  Only use common opponents, or else this is all just  :jerkoff:

It totally changes the analysis.

Fair enough. I think it would still favor KSU to win. My point is the Tech and aTm games basically cancel eachother out in this analysis.. they are both "outliers".

November 06, 2009, 01:18:24 PM
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what sucks is that we have Banks for punt returns but I don't think ku will be punting more than 1 or 2 times all game.

You look at this all wrong. 

If this is the case, then lots of opportunities for kickoff returns. 

And you can't just kick out of bounds. 

Win-win for the Cats here!

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November 09, 2009, 11:45:12 AM
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The Wildcats don't try and mask what the are. What they are is a running team, and it shows as they are 2nd in Conference play averaging 171 yards per game on the ground. Conversely, ku's defense is towards the bottom of the Conference allowing near 150 yards per game. ... To put it simply, everyone in the Conference knows that Kansas State is going to try and run the football. Thus far, nobody has been able to consistently stop them from doing so. ...think they should be able to string together some significant drives and keep the Wildcats ahead in the field position battle as well.

The ability of the defensive secondary to make open field tackles will be key. ... Ultimately, I expect ku to be able to move the ball at times in this game, but it will be Kansas State's ability to make big plays (sacks/turnovers) that will be the determining factor in how the Wildcat defense is viewed after this game.

Bill Snyder has a career 3-1 record against Mark Mangino as a head coach, and has only lost 4 times to Kansas in his entire head coaching career. So you can bet his players know the importance of this game and will be supremely prepared to play in it.

Kansas State is 2-0 at home this season in Conference play, whereas ku is 0-2 in Conference road games. Kansas has lost 5 consecutive game against the spread, and 3 consecutive games straight up. On the other hand, Kansas State is 3-2 in their last 5, and 4-1 against the spread.

Kansas State has the statistical edge in turnovers, time of possession, sacks, and special teams. Those are typically the areas that teams need to exploit when they try to win on the road in a hostile environment.

After the dust settles, I see ku's offense being able to have some statistical success against Kansas State. But I look for the Kansas State defense, that has had a recent history of big plays, to force some game changing turnovers and sacks. Offensively, I feel very confident in Kansas State's ability to implement diverse the gameplan that Coach Snyder wants to carry out, and I see several long and time consuming drives that end in points.


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Nice work, YMBB!

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November 09, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
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ku didn't need to punt.

we just took the ball from them and never gave it back. Finders keepers.
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