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[The1BigWillie]

Has Iowa State at 29th in their top 64.  NO mention of KSU.  We &@#%ing suck.

[purplebybirth]

Has Iowa State at 29th in their top 64.  NO mention of KSU.  We fracking suck.

that's pretty damn stupid.

[feralchat]

Someone likes fat necks, only thing I can figure.

[steve dave]

MEH!

[sys]

they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.

[pissclams]

us --->  

the media --->  


mods, can we pin this thread?  might save the thread starters time throughout the next several months just to keep the "the media hates us" threads at the top of the forum?

[catsfan20052006]

I just got mine in the mail and was looking forward to reading about us!

[PowercatPat]

they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

[pissclams]

they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out.

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

well - then who cares about players anyways, when you have great coaching you can do anything!

[sys]

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

 

man, and i thought i was a homer! 

 

[fatty fat fat]

Well, we did lose to WSU.

 

[WillieWannabe]

Well, we did lose to WSU.

 

make that your sig why don't you.

[mavrick1821]

I am so sick of pre-season hogwash.  Let's get this thing started already and let Frank show 'em all!

[doom]

Dude ISU will be so much better.   

[buhl aid]

they also have our rivals at #2. little high... 

[PowercatPat]

They only player of theirs that is better than any of ours is Brackins.

 

man, and i thought i was a homer! 

 

Are you kidding me? You really think they are that good? 

Who else is better? Maybe there is one more player that is, but we are still a better team.

[CatDubs]

[steve dave]

How long will we have to be a consistent upper half big 12 team before our fanbase will get their bearings on how basketball works and how our talent actually matches up in comparison to the rest of the conference? 

[Belvis Noland]

Are you kidding me? You really think they are that good? 

Who else is better? Maybe there is one more player that is, but we are still a better team.

I think sys is being sarcastic.  I hope. 

[sys]

I think sys is being sarcastic.  I hope. 

no, isu has some good players.  more than just one.  gilstrap is probably going to get an nba chance.  probably the only other nba talent, but they have other guys that can be better than average ncaa players.  basically their entire frontcourt is better than ksu's.

[montywildcat]

I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?

[sys]

I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?

kelly and judge have never played in the big 12 either.  kelly was a miserable failure in his 2 years attempting to play d1.  judge is several years younger than gilstrap and pretty much unanimously well behind kelly according to the kstate coaching staff.  how would you rate either of them above gilstrap?

oth, i didn't argue that gilstrap was better than kelly or judge (though i'm certainly not claiming he isn't, either).  just that their front court as a unit (gilstrap, brackins, dendy, vanderbeeken, hamilton) is substantially better than kstate's (kelly, judge, colon, jhenr, samuels).

isu has some very good players.  their biggest problem is that most of those guys basically play the same position, and their guards either suck or are unproven.  you could make an argument that their best five guys are all hybrid 3-4s (the 5 listed above, minus hamilton plus staiger).  weird team.

[Belvis Noland]

Sys, don't forget your original comment:

"they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out."

Your basing that off of Brackens, and a juco guy you've never seen play. 

Our backcourt is probably one of the top 2-3 in the league.  Talent and depth.  Clearly superior to ISU. 

Our frontcourt is unproven.  But, we have great upside.  Samuels looks good, Judge is a McD All-American, Colon is huge, Kelly could be very good.  ISU has brackens.  And Gilstrap is just as unproven as Kelly.   

[sys]

Sys, don't forget your original comment:

"they have better players.  kstate has the better coach.  we'll just have to see how it shakes out."

yeah, that comment was partly facetious.  i only turned serious later in the thread.

[Legore]

ISU is a team I wonder about.  When Brackins decided to come back you start thinking they could be pretty damn good.  But then you start thinking why were they so bad last season with a player of his caliber?  If Gilstrap is legit then I would think they can be pretty solid but they really didn't get much love from the coaches picked 8th in the preseason poll even thought they voted Brackins first team and Gilstrap newcomer of the year.   Should be interesting to see how they do still kind of amazed that Brackins came back for another year.  

[sys]

But then you start thinking why were they so bad last season with a player of his caliber?

their guards were really bad.

[montywildcat]

I've never seen Gilstrap play - he's never played in the Big 12 right? I see he had a big year in Juco last year, but you would seriously rate a 3-start Juco above Judge & Kelly?

kelly and judge have never played in the big 12 either.  kelly was a miserable failure in his 2 years attempting to play d1.  judge is several years younger than gilstrap and pretty much unanimously well behind kelly according to the kstate coaching staff.  how would you rate either of them above gilstrap?

oth, i didn't argue that gilstrap was better than kelly or judge (though i'm certainly not claiming he isn't, either).  just that their front court as a unit (gilstrap, brackins, dendy, vanderbeeken, hamilton) is substantially better than kstate's (kelly, judge, colon, jhenr, samuels).

isu has some very good players.  their biggest problem is that most of those guys basically play the same position, and their guards either suck or are unproven.  you could make an argument that their best five guys are all hybrid 3-4s (the 5 listed above, minus hamilton plus staiger).  weird team.

I really like your insight, and I had never really looked at ISU's talent.

I'm not expert, but here's why I would rate Kelly & Judge higher than Gilstrap. It basically has to do with their ceiling.

Kelly... I understand the legitimate concerns on Kelly, and Winn's article was a little disconcerting (what a great article, btw). Still, Frank has said Kelly has been playing like "a pro" through most of his preseason practices. Frank's preseason assessments have proven to be pretty good so far (i.e. Clemente "fastest player baseline to baseline" and Beasley "as polished in HS as Durant" - both of these comments were questioned at the time). I don't think Kelly's issue has really been his talent, and I do think a change of scenery will help him.

Judge... Gilstrap is most likely a better player than Judge today, but its mainly due to Judge lacking experience against higher level competition. Judge is going to be in a good role this season - he's not expected to be the savior or even the go-to scoring threat. He'll be able to develop. And Judge's athleticism is elite. Again, I trust Frank's assessments and he compared Judge's potential to Amare Stoudamire (on Soren's show).

[sys]

good post.  hard to disagree with any of it.

[catdude33]

Really strange rankings from "The Mag".

[CrushNasty]

We are in the top 25 for 3/10 ESPN CBB "experts"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/powerranking?season=2010&week=1&pollId=1