I'll give it to you on Bob Barry, Sr. He's really, really, really bad. He bumbles a lot, mispronounces names and just doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. He's an embarrassment to OU.
Merv Johnson isn't an embarrassment. He's not a slick talker, but he has great information. He's been a coach for a long time. He was a coach for Rudy at Notre Dame.