No love from coaches.

[Del Tremens]

2009-10 ESPN/USA Today Preseason Coaches' Poll

1. Kansas

2. Michigan State

3. Texas

4. North Carolina

5. Kentucky

6. Villanova

7. Purdue

8. Duke

9. West Virginia

10. Butler

11. Tennessee

12. California

13. Washington

14. Connecticut

15. Michigan

16. Oklahoma

17. Ohio State

18. Minnesota

19. Mississippi State

20. Georgia Tech

21. Georgetown

22. Dayton

23. Louisville

24. Clemson

25. Syracuse

Others Receiving Votes
Maryland 100, Illinois 83, Siena 72, UCLA 59, Vanderbilt 38, Oklahoma State 29, Missouri 28, Xavier 25, Gonzaga 24, Notre Dame 22, USC 22, Pittsburgh 19, Tulsa 17, Kansas State 16, Brigham Young 16, Florida State 15, Florida 13, Wake Forest 13, San Diego State 8, Creighton 7, Boston College 4, Texas A&M 4, Southern Illinois 3, Utah State 3, Cornell 3, Memphis 3, Mississippi 3, UNLV 2, South Carolina 1, Northern Iowa 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Pittsburgh 6, Missouri 8, Memphis 9, Gonzaga 13, Xavier 15, UCLA 18, Wake Forest 20, Florida State 22.

[C_Manbeck]

Here's my problem with these preseason polls, not that anyone cares. In 2007, K-State, with a bunch of freshmen, was ranked 18th in the preseason poll. It wasn't warranted because they hadn't proven anything yet. Now, Kentucky is ranked No. 5 in the preseason because of a heralded freshmen recruiting class. This is a team that lost in the NIT last year, I don't care if they do have a new coach and better players, I don't think it can be turned around that fast.

Now K-State, with more depth, experience, and perhaps talent than that 2007 squad, barely cracks the top 40 in getting votes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[catdude33]

Why does everyone think Missouri will be good?

[steve dave]

Why does everyone think Missouri will be good?

Anderson's ability to lock down the recruiting borders of his immediate family

[ksu_FAN]

Here's my problem with these preseason polls, not that anyone cares. In 2007, K-State, with a bunch of freshmen, was ranked 18th in the preseason poll. It wasn't warranted because they hadn't proven anything yet. Now, Kentucky is ranked No. 5 in the preseason because of a heralded freshmen recruiting class. This is a team that lost in the NIT last year, I don't care if they do have a new coach and better players, I don't think it can be turned around that fast.

Now K-State, with more depth, experience, and perhaps talent than that 2007 squad, barely cracks the top 40 in getting votes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Good points, but its the nature of the beast.

And while we're all positive, I'm sure many still question the front court.  We all think Kelly and Judge will be great, but from the outside Kelly is probably still viewed as a high ranking kid that did nothing at UConn and Judge probably isn't quite into the "can't miss frosh" category perception-wise.  So they are probably thinking Colon and Samuels are our "proven" front court players.  

As for Anderson, he's got the "good coach" rep from his connection to Richardson and "sustaining" a program at UAB.  So most probably just think he'll keep what he has going, even with some major departures from last year's overachieving team.

[steve dave]

MEH!

[Rick Daris]

Here's my problem with these preseason polls, not that anyone cares. In 2007, K-State, with a bunch of freshmen, was ranked 18th in the preseason poll. It wasn't warranted because they hadn't proven anything yet. Now, Kentucky is ranked No. 5 in the preseason because of a heralded freshmen recruiting class. This is a team that lost in the NIT last year, I don't care if they do have a new coach and better players, I don't think it can be turned around that fast.

Now K-State, with more depth, experience, and perhaps talent than that 2007 squad, barely cracks the top 40 in getting votes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Good points, but its the nature of the beast.

And while we're all positive, I'm sure many still question the front court.  We all think Kelly and Judge will be great, but from the outside Kelly is probably still viewed as a high ranking kid that did nothing at UConn and Judge probably isn't quite into the "can't miss frosh" category perception-wise.  So they are probably thinking Colon and Samuels are our "proven" front court players. 

As for Anderson, he's got the "good coach" rep from his connection to Richardson and "sustaining" a program at UAB.  So most probably just think he'll keep what he has going, even with some major departures from last year's overachieving team.

i have a hard time believing that any of the coaches care enough to put any thought into it. i bet half have a grad assistant fill it out for them.

[Skydog]

MEH!

qft imo

[fatty fat fat]

Why in the f*ck is ku #1???

[mavrick1821]

I would love to see some stats on how correct the preseason polls are to the final versions.  I would laugh if it is over 65% relevant.  As they say, that is why they play the games.  For my 2 cents  I will call both OU and OSU the most over-rated teams in the Big 12 going into the season.   

[Pett]

Why does everyone think Missouri will be good?

An elite eight run will do that for you. It's almost a certainty that you will make the top thirty for the next season strictly just because of that...

[doom]

Here's my problem with these preseason polls, not that anyone cares. In 2007, K-State, with a bunch of freshmen, was ranked 18th in the preseason poll. It wasn't warranted because they hadn't proven anything yet. Now, Kentucky is ranked No. 5 in the preseason because of a heralded freshmen recruiting class. This is a team that lost in the NIT last year, I don't care if they do have a new coach and better players, I don't think it can be turned around that fast.

Now K-State, with more depth, experience, and perhaps talent than that 2007 squad, barely cracks the top 40 in getting votes. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Normally I'd agree, but with the talent they have they can compete in the non con.  They should beat one or both of Indiana and Miami.  If they steal a North Carolina (also a lot of young talent) or a Uconn/Louisville, then they will will stay top 10 with their level of talent and their conference. 

[The Manhatter]

silly thread.  This is a national poll....the national poll will lack information.  Look at how the coaches in the conference voted for the pre-season conference poll.

I question the praise for OU...what do they base it on?  Warren plus the fat kid down low?  I realize Gallon is a talent but they lost a ton of leadership from last year's squad.

[sys]

i don't think ksu is a top 25 team right now either.   


coaches nailed it imo.

[fatty fat fat]

i don't think ksu is a top 25 team right now either.   


coaches nailed it imo.

wow. no one gives a sh*t what you think.

[sys]

wow. no one gives a sh*t what you think.

cheno loves me.  hangs on my every word.

[yosh]

i don't think ksu is a top 25 team right now either.   

Agree.

coaches nailed it imo.

Disagree

[Bookcat]

I think Kstate is one of the best 25 basketball programs in the country. Sorry, don't see it any other way with who we have coming back and who we have on the roster. ..and a coaching staff that is, at times, bat $hit crazy to win basketball games.

[Belvis Noland]

I think Kstate is one of the best 25 basketball programs in the country. Sorry, don't see it any other way with who we have coming back and who we have on the roster. ..and a coaching staff that is, at times, bat $hit crazy to win basketball games.

4th best team in the Big XII in 08-09.  Return the entire team, add a legit big man, and a McDs All-American.  We finish no worse than 4th in the Conference in 09-10. 

Does the Big XII suck that bad?  The 3rd-4th best team in the conference shouldn't be ranked?

Are we the f'n colonial conference? 

Absolutely K-State is a top 25 team.   
 

[yosh]

I think Kstate is one of the best 25 basketball programs in the country. Sorry, don't see it any other way with who we have coming back and who we have on the roster. ..and a coaching staff that is, at times, bat $hit crazy to win basketball games.

4th best team in the Big XII in 08-09.  Return the entire team, add a legit big man, and a McDs All-American.  We finish no worse than 4th in the Conference in 09-10. 

Does the Big XII suck that bad?  The 3rd-4th best team in the conference shouldn't be ranked?

Are we the f'n colonial conference? 

Absolutely K-State is a top 25 team.   
 

We were 4th place, not 4th best.  Think of it this way, a top 4 seed in the NIT is probably 45th to 55th best team.  We added the 20th to 25th best recruiting class to that.  You can bet, most of the teams ahead of us in the recruit rankings were better than us last year too.  Even if you figure a lot of teams lost a ton, I'm not sure you can definitely say are top 25.  Last April we didn't make the tourny, but based on a 1-1 NIT and a top 25 class, we should be a 5 seed or better if the tournament was today?  don't see it.

I do think we have top 25 potential/talent.  But we need to prove it.

[pissclams]

is K-State the only team that gets better in the off season, cause that'd be cool if we are?

[WildCatzPhreak]

Gained more than we lost.  Will be better.

But a lot of good talent was brought into the Big XII this year, and a lot of good talent stayed that could have gone pro.  I'm thinking a 3rd or 4th place finish in the conference standings..par for the course lately.

[Louises West]

Mu in front of KSU is laughable.