Who was asking these questions?

[Buddha_Cat]

Thanks for the discussion, LW.  I don't doubt Freeman was promised a significant amount of playing time this season...and to be honest, once AE and AW left, I was all for him taking every snap.


Also, here's an easy stat to calculate:

Big XII wins:

Freeman: 1
Meier: 0

To add to your list:
2006 Big 12 losses
Freeman:3
Meier:0

[PoetWarrior]

There is no queston this is best.

Going into next year, he will be ready to go, period.  There will be no wondering how long it will take him to adjust, etc.

He will be ready to play.

[Buddha_Cat]

I'm bored, so I'm going to throw out a question. It was tossed around a bit at lunch on Tuesday:

Is everyone in a agreement that it's a good thing for Freeman to be going through this --poor numbers, low win total, playing behind this o-line-- and that this season will have little effect on his long-term play?

With some QB's, yes.  I think Freeman has enough of a bravado about him that it won't matter too much.  Hopefully the line improves and he is able to take this past years lumps and go crazy when he actually has some support.  Too me, Cartier has taken the Huggins opportunity to bust his tail to get something going for himself and the team.  Hopefully, Josh takes this same approach in the offseason.  He has the tools, just needs to refine them, IMO.

[michigancat]

Thanks for the discussion, LW.  I don't doubt Freeman was promised a significant amount of playing time this season...and to be honest, once AE and AW left, I was all for him taking every snap.


Also, here's an easy stat to calculate:

Big XII wins:

Freeman: 1
Meier: 0

To add to your list:
2006 Big 12 losses
Freeman:3
Meier:0

Actually:

Freeman: 3
Meier: 6

[PoetWarrior]

I hate the fact that it seems some are still desperate for the small town kansas white kid to play.

Give it up.

[willie]

I'm bored, so I'm going to throw out a question. It was tossed around a bit at lunch on Tuesday:

Is everyone in a agreement that it's a good thing for Freeman to be going through this --poor numbers, low win total, playing behind this o-line-- and that this season will have little effect on his long-term play?

I'll go with yes, provided he has intermittent success.  He (and the rest of the young guys) needs to see some bright spots on game film, i.e. "See guys, good things can happen when we execute as a team".

Losing isn't fun, but it can certainly be educational.  If the offense doesn't have a couple successful drives here and there, they'll begin to believe that they suck.  That's when the effort goes down hill quickly.

My opinion only, mileage will vary...

[ksu_FAN]

Is everyone in a agreement that it's a good thing for Freeman to be going through this --poor numbers, low win total, playing behind this o-line-- and that this season will have little effect on his long-term play?

Honestly, I think it depends.  If he comes out this weekend and struggles and K-State loses, then looks worse in Boulder, Prince could have a problem on his hands.  No doubt he's going to be the guy next year, but idealy for Josh and K-State football, if he can manage to lead us to solid offensive performances and at least 2 more wins and a bowl game, then the long term effects will be much greater IMO.  I simply think there are more chapters to be written for Freeman's freshman season and those will factor in to the longterm benefits to him and the program.

[Levi Wolters]

I hate the fact that is seems some are still desperate for the small town kansas white kid to play.

Give it up.

That's interesting.

[michigancat]

Now, a question for Levi:

Why doesn't anyone in the media come out and ask, "Did you promise Freeman the starting quarterback job during his recruitment."

[Levi Wolters]

Now, a question for Levi:

Why doesn't anyone in the media come out and ask, "Did you promise Freeman the starting quarterback job during his recruitment."

It may have been already. I can't recall. Josh has, and he said "No..."

[pissclams]

I'm bored, so I'm going to throw out a question. It was tossed around a bit at lunch on Tuesday:

Is everyone in a agreement that it's a good thing for Freeman to be going through this --poor numbers, low win total, playing behind this o-line-- and that this season will have little effect on his long-term play?

I don't understand that question.  Should we be worried about his feelings getting hurt? Or that he gets so used to crappy play that he goes from Golden Boy to Cubic Zerconium Scrub?  That would only happen if it was a) expected b) allowed to.  I don't see either one of those choices in this situation.

Let these kids take their licks and grow together.

[plaincat]

I brought up that argument before they made the change and I was completely against starting Freeman.  I fully expected Josh to throw a ton of picks and to lose games for us with mistakes.  He hasn't done that.  That shows me that he isn't overmatched and overwhelmed by his duties.  If he were doubting whether he could handle playing at this level then it might be a problem for his confidence in the long term, but you would see that on the field with INTs and stupid decisions.  I don't think there is anything Dylan could have done that would have changed the outcome of the last two games.

[Andy]

"If you have two starting quarterbacks, what really you have is two backups," Prince said.

[FBWillie]

I fully expected Josh to throw a ton of picks and to lose games for us with mistakes. He hasn't done that.

Freeman has thrown 8 pics and lost 2 games for us.

[catzacker]

I hate the fact that it seems some are still desperate for the small town kansas white kid to play.

Give it up.

Sincerely,
Marcus Watts and Jordy Nelson

[plaincat]

I fully expected Josh to throw a ton of picks and to lose games for us with mistakes. He hasn't done that.

Freeman has thrown 8 pics and lost 2 games for us.

Only 4 INTs in the three games he has started. I don't know about the ones at Missouri, but the two against Nebraska were not due to bad decisions.  I expected him to be far worse.

[cireksu]

Ron Prince created competition at the qb spot by not redshirting freeman.  Dylan meier beat him out this fall.  He was named the starter.  The Baylor game changed things.  Meier by some accounts is not gonig to pursue a redshirt.  If that is true then you have to go with Freeman, who will most certainly be your starter next year.  The qb is not like a rb or wr, you don't play mary go round with the qb, yes I realize that it has been done before but I cant' think of anytime it has been successful.  KSU 01?  Texas 03?  you've got to go with a guy and take some lumps, hell in this case it isn't taking lumps because Freeman isn't doing any worse than meier was.  No one is going to tell me that meier gives us any better chance to have won any of the last couple of games.  As far as "what is this going to do to freeman's psyche" crap, listen to what he, his teamates (yes, even snyder guys), and coaches say, he knows he has a lot to learn and so do they.  I still not cannot believe that this is such an issue for people.  For the guy that made the comment about not liking to see the white ks boys on the bench it really makes me wonder.  Also, now reporters are criticizing Prince for not answering questions?  WTF where were you the last 17 years???  What about people criticizing Ron Prince for talking about Championships???  You're plssed because he fired you up for the season and we are really not that great of a team.  It was his summer rah rah tour that put 30,000+ butts into the Bill in April and got KSU all kinds of love from the media and solidified Lamark's commitment and caused Donald Stephenson to waiver on his.  Sorry that you are dissapointed in the season but the writing was on the wall.  We even all bought into Snyder's "Cabinet not empty" line.  Nobody hates losing more than Bill Snyder and if he had a championship calliber team then there is no way he retires after last year, I'm even guilty of buying into that one, but after watching NU, Mizzou and Texas they are clearly the class of the league. 

[Levi Wolters]

OK, cire. Let's start at the beginning...

Did Prince have a choice whether to redshirt Freeman or not? Come on, man.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what your point was. Maybe there was more than one?

[cireksu]

yes sorry, one point turned into a post of utter frustration.

He didn't have a choice to redshirt freeman, but RP is now criticized for supposedly going back on his word of letting competition take place which imo is complete bs. 

My point is that it is completely unfair to call rp a hypocrite based on the fact that now JF has been named the starting qb hell or highwater.  Meier won the job this fall.  With Freeman breathing down his neck he was not improving.  I think that freeman overtook him and that is that. 

I added a lot of other things in there that didn't have to do with the origional topic and I apologize.

[Levi Wolters]

No, it's cool. I see your point.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Dude, are you serious? The man contradicts himself. That's my issue. I couldn't care less who the freakin' starting quarterback is. Not one bit. My issue is when he says one thing and does something totally different. To me, that's being dishonest, and to me, that's a lack of respect from someone I have to have a working, professional relationship with. He could have avoided all of this, as someone pointed out earlier, by simply saying the quarterback position is different. But he didn't.

I asked him a question. He walked away. Even a simple 'no comment' would have sufficed. Instead, he walked away. That's ridiculous.

[cireksu]

Do you think Bill Snyder would have answered that question?  I understand your frustration as a journalist but I don't think that there are too many football coaches out there that would have answered that.  That's the kind of question that gets bob knight fined.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

No, I don't, but I also don't think Bill Snyder would have spent the past five months talking about how he wanted competition at every position even though there was a obvious glaring exception.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to stir any crap. As for the Whitlock thing, that's unfortunate, man. That wasn't my aim at all.

[cireksu]

I understand, I live in KC and have read your column everyday online, I think you the best job of covering the cats in the state.  The Whitlock comment by me was embarrasing.

I do believe that on anyteam the qb position is different.  A lot of people including myself felt that JF would beat out meier hands down after getting aclimated to the college game which I think he has done.  I just don't think that there is a competition there anymore.   

[Jeffrey_Martin]

It's all good. I thought they should have started him fron Day 1.

[PoetWarrior]

Dude, are you serious? The man contradicts himself. That's my issue. I couldn't care less who the freakin' starting quarterback is. Not one bit. My issue is when he says one thing and does something totally different. To me, that's being dishonest, and to me, that's a lack of respect from someone I have to have a working, professional relationship with. He could have avoided all of this, as someone pointed out earlier, by simply saying the quarterback position is different. But he didn't.

I asked him a question. He walked away. Even a simple 'no comment' would have sufficed. Instead, he walked away. That's ridiculous.

Hopefully this, now personal, vendetta will be reflected in your writing covering Kansas State.

 

[catzacker]

Dude, are you serious? The man contradicts himself. That's my issue. I couldn't care less who the freakin' starting quarterback is. Not one bit. My issue is when he says one thing and does something totally different. To me, that's being dishonest, and to me, that's a lack of respect from someone I have to have a working, professional relationship with. He could have avoided all of this, as someone pointed out earlier, by simply saying the quarterback position is different. But he didn't.

I asked him a question. He walked away. Even a simple 'no comment' would have sufficed. Instead, he walked away. That's ridiculous.

Hopefully this, now personal, vendetta will be reflected in your writing covering Kansas State.

 

It's not a personal vendetta; I think J-Mart is just racist against black people.  But then again so are most KSU fans so he'd really be writing for his "base".   

[BrotherDDay]

Just curious... Did the media ask Bill Snyder, after any media conference during the Big 12 season last year, about his QB situation at the time?  Seems that there was a healthy QB standing on the sidelines that had won some Big 12 games while a certain redshirt freshman QB was "gaining" experience while losing every game he started... and losing some of them pretty bad.

I just think the media thought they were going to have a good ol' time with Prince based off his barnstorming tour during the off-season.  Suddenly, they were whacked upside the head when the season started, only to be left scrambling when it was realized that Prince talks more, but says way less than Snyder.

 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Dude, are you serious? The man contradicts himself. That's my issue. I couldn't care less who the freakin' starting quarterback is. Not one bit. My issue is when he says one thing and does something totally different. To me, that's being dishonest, and to me, that's a lack of respect from someone I have to have a working, professional relationship with. He could have avoided all of this, as someone pointed out earlier, by simply saying the quarterback position is different. But he didn't.

I asked him a question. He walked away. Even a simple 'no comment' would have sufficed. Instead, he walked away. That's ridiculous.

Hopefully this, now personal, vendetta will be reflected in your writing covering Kansas State.

 

So JMart was supposed to be a good little boy and not call Prince out on his hypocrisy?

Cuz thats all he was doing. There was nothing personal about it.

[catzacker]

Just curious... Did the media ask Bill Snyder, after any media conference during the Big 12 season last year, about his QB situation at the time?  Seems that there was a healthy QB standing on the sidelines that had won some Big 12 games while a certain redshirt freshman QB was "gaining" experience while losing every game he started... and losing some of them pretty bad.

I just think the media thought they were going to have a good ol' time with Prince based off his barnstorming tour during the off-season.  Suddenly, they were whacked upside the head when the season started, only to be left scrambling when it was realized that Prince talks more, but says way less than Snyder. 

Bill pretty much said,for damn near every position that starting was earned in practice (which of course was closed to the public).  People still asked Bill questions about his QB situation, he just answered them better.  For instance, look below at this article. 

http://www.arkcity.net/stories/101005/spo_0002.shtml