The 2010 lineup

[sonofdaxjones]

The Affirmation meter is pegged out in this thread . . .

Validators Hoooo!!

 

[FHSU92]

Grud was even better than that during the bball camps this summer.  Wally and the frosh were GOOD -- the only one holding them back was Jordan.  'Ta was money from outside.  Frank has set himself up nicely from the recruiting debacle he was presented with (no talent from Soph -- > Sr).

Curtis, Jamar, Dom, Jake, Wally, Grud will be crazy good -- basically this yrs team with more experienced bigs and the same talent at the guards -- older JP & Grud = JP & DC now.

[Pete]

ku would have quite a bit of experience with Reed (senior - unless he redshirts this year), Morningstar (senior), Morris twins (junior), Taylor (junior), and Releford (junior - unless he redshirts this year).  Robinson, Johnson, and Withey would be sophs.  If ku is able to sign someone like Barnes or Selby, there's no telling how good that team could be.  There's also a very, very slim possiblity that Xavier Henry returns for his sophomore year.


Potential starting lineup:


PG - Taylor
SG - Johnson/Releford
SF - Mc. Morris/other
PF - Robinson
C - Mk. Morris

I'll be very, very disappointed if Judge, Kelly, Asprilla are not better than Mc Morris/Mk. Morris/Robinson.  Taylor is good, and Elijah is reportedly good, but KSU will be very athletic on the perimeter...they may not shoot for crap, but they'll defend.

Damn, you are gonna be one disappointed motherfracker.  Poor guy, I'll be there for you.

I really think you full of crap on this one.

What am I missing here?  Judge was rated significantly higher than Robinson by EVERY rating service.  So you say that Morris has improved?  Well, Curtis Kelley, former 5 star who had "issues" at UCONN has had a year to practice in Frank's system and &@#%ing transform his body in Greenawalt's routine...and is by all accounts a changed player.  Finally you have either the other Morrise twin or your transfer Whithey....and we have Freddy Asprilla who is getting his dick sucked by every coach in the country right now as he evaluates where he'll be next year, kid who had an amazing frosh year with NO help around him.

What am I missing?

[feralchat]

You're forgetting JamSam and Jordan Henriquiz (sp), who Frank said showed up much better than he thought he'd be.

[sys]

not to rain on the emaws here, but bmw is completely correct, ksu is not going to be more talented than ku in 2010-2011.  no matter who ku loses or doesn't lose after this season.

fortunately, we've got the coaching edge, so it should be a great matchup.  just like back in the fabled hartman-owens days.

[BMWJhawk]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit. 

[Pete]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit. 

I respect your evaluation of those guys, I really do.  It's just that if the "rankings" hold, it doesn't seem like either side should be materially better than the other. 

You guys have a few "extras" to throw in with Withey and Little, and we have a few "extras" with JamSam and Dom. 

Probably it will come down to your guards being able to shoot and ours not being able to shoot.....again.   

[doom]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit. 

I respect your evaluation of those guys, I really do.  It's just that if the "rankings" hold, it doesn't seem like either side should be materially better than the other. 

You guys have a few "extras" to throw in with Withey and Little, and we have a few "extras" with JamSam and Dom. 

Probably it will come down to Who gets the sh1t kicked out of them by the football team less.  

[Paul11]

There is no way Tyshawn stays past this year. Also tall white guys without any muscle do not scare me in the least bit. Kansas is always going to be more talented. Self is one of the best recruiters in the game. But it is ridiculous to think this debate has some merit. The transformation is incredible. If kstate is able to land another point guard and talented forward it is a scary scary team next year.

[~WabashRoll~]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit. 

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

[BullHawkWheel]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit.  

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

Yeah, since the players who most closely resemble him(darrell arthur and julian wright) stayed for 4 years.  Oh wait...

[Pete]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit.  

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

Yeah, since the players who most closely resemble him(darrell arthur and julian wright) stayed for 4 years.  Oh wait...

Racist.

[BullHawkWheel]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit.  

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

Yeah, since the players who most closely resemble him(darrell arthur and julian wright) stayed for 4 years.  Oh wait...

Racist.

This doesn't even make sense. 

[JTKSU]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit.  

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

Yeah, since the players who most closely resemble him(darrell arthur and julian wright) stayed for 4 years.  Oh wait...

Racist.

This doesn't even make sense. 

Of course it doesn't make sense to you.  All black people look the same to.

[BullHawkWheel]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.  Also, Thomas Robinson is the real deal.  I'd be surprised if he stayed all four years at ku.  I'm not saying that Judge, Kelly, and Asprilla won't ultimately be the better trio, but I think you're under-estimating ku's talent a little bit.  

Good one, Ben.

You don't follow Bill Seff basketball too closely, do you.

Yeah, since the players who most closely resemble him(darrell arthur and julian wright) stayed for 4 years.  Oh wait...

Racist.

This doesn't even make sense. 

Of course it doesn't make sense to you.  All black people look the same to.

no, it doesnt make sense because he doesnt look anything like those 2.  he plays like a mix between both. 

[Dick Knewheizel]

Pete, like I said, the Morris twins have improved a ton since last season.  Marcus had added 23 pounds of muscle while Markieff has added 34 pounds.  Markieff dropped in three 3-pointers in the Late Night scrimmage.  I just think you're going to be surprised at how versatile and improved these guys are.... 

If you replaced "pounds" with "IQ points" then I think you'd have something.  These guys are dumbstick basketball players.  Adding weight isn't going to get them to the right places on the floor or get them to stop punching people.