explain to me this

[ds43fan]

We have a 6'6" QB who can lean forward 2 yards but we hand off the ball to a dude 3-5 yards in the back field that is 5'7" at best??? QB SNEAK???

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Its a valid point OX and one that we're all befuddled by.  The only thing I can tell you is that when asked about it Prince replied, "Its our best play."

Somebody posted that our coaches don't know the difference between Bold and Daring and Safe and Smart.  I think this sums up your question the best.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

Its a valid point OX and one that we're all befuddled by.  The only thing I can tell you is that when asked about it Prince replied, "Its our best play."

Somebody posted that our coaches don't know the difference between Bold and Daring and Safe and Smart.  I think this sums up your question the best.

apparently qb sneaks aren't bold and daring, neither is letting your qb throw the ball in the redzone

[mjrod]

I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding you guys have for goal line schemes.

When you're 4th and 1 at the goal line, and you decide to go for it, the defense does nothing but sell out on the run, especially when your formation is bunched up like it is.   Rarely, can you just barrel in off tackle, between guard and center, or even QB sneak it unless your O-line can find a gap.

The only real way a QB sneak would work in those situation is for the offense to be completely spread out, fake the timing route, and then following the running back through after faking the two step drop and pump.

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

[ds43fan]

I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding you guys have for goal line schemes.

When you're 4th and 1 at the goal line, and you decide to go for it, the defense does nothing but sell out on the run, especially when your formation is bunched up like it is.   Rarely, can you just barrel in off tackle, between guard and center, or even QB sneak it unless your O-line can find a gap.

The only real way a QB sneak would work in those situation is for the offense to be completely spread out, fake the timing route, and then following the running back through after faking the two step drop and pump.

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Bill woulda snuck had he had a 6'6" QB

[mjrod]

I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding you guys have for goal line schemes.

When you're 4th and 1 at the goal line, and you decide to go for it, the defense does nothing but sell out on the run, especially when your formation is bunched up like it is.   Rarely, can you just barrel in off tackle, between guard and center, or even QB sneak it unless your O-line can find a gap.

The only real way a QB sneak would work in those situation is for the offense to be completely spread out, fake the timing route, and then following the running back through after faking the two step drop and pump.

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Bill woulda snuck had he had a 6'6" QB

If he had the line he had in 2000-2003 maybe.

[ds43fan]

I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding you guys have for goal line schemes.

When you're 4th and 1 at the goal line, and you decide to go for it, the defense does nothing but sell out on the run, especially when your formation is bunched up like it is.   Rarely, can you just barrel in off tackle, between guard and center, or even QB sneak it unless your O-line can find a gap.

The only real way a QB sneak would work in those situation is for the offense to be completely spread out, fake the timing route, and then following the running back through after faking the two step drop and pump.

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Bill woulda snuck had he had a 6'6" QB

If he had the line he had in 2000-2003 maybe.

with the 2003 line we'd be 8-0

[EdHarley]

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Jonathan Beasley vs. North Texas- 5 QB Sneaks, 5 TDs.  That's all the evidence of what Snyder would have done (did) that I need.

Goal line schmes?  You're kidding right?  The most effective goal line scheme in history is to take the most direct route possible to get two feet.  If you're saying the line can't block well enough for a 6'6" guy to fall down forward for a touchdown, how do we expect them to block well enough for a 5'7" guy who is starting five yards back?  

If there's one thing that troubles me about the playcalling, it's the total unwillingness to try ANYTHING different on short yardage.  Prince basically tells everyone who will listen that we're going to keep running the same goal-line play until we get a score.  That's like telling the Germans we're going to set up an ambush at the same place in Ansbach every day until we kill Hitler.  

[ds43fan]

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Jonathan Beasley vs. North Texas- 5 QB Sneaks, 5 TDs.  That's all the evidence of what Snyder would have done (did) that I need.

Goal line schmes?  You're kidding right?  The most effective goal line scheme in history is to take the most direct route possible to get two feet.  If you're saying the line can't block well enough for a 6'6" guy to fall down forward for a touchdown, how do we expect them to block well enough for a 5'7" guy who is starting five yards back?  

If there's one thing that troubles me about the playcalling, it's the total unwillingness to try ANYTHING different on short yardage.  Prince basically tells everyone who will listen that we're going to keep running the same goal-line play until we get a score.  That's like telling the Germans we're going to set up an ambush at the same place in Ansbach every day until we kill Hitler.  

didn't hitler commit suicide? or did we kill him

[michigancat]

I don't remember Snyder running many goalline sneaks on 4th and goal.

On 4th and inches from the 40 maybe, but not too often on 4th and goal.

[mjrod]

There are many ways to do this, but the safe play has always been to power it in.  If this had been a Snyder team, what do you think the call was?

I'll tell you exactly what is was:  Double TE, three horses in the backfield, it's either option shortside, sweep shortside, or whatever, spreads the defense out and either QB or horse could find lane and run it in.

Jonathan Beasley vs. North Texas- 5 QB Sneaks, 5 TDs.  That's all the evidence of what Snyder would have done (did) that I need.

Goal line schmes?  You're kidding right?  The most effective goal line scheme in history is to take the most direct route possible to get two feet.  If you're saying the line can't block well enough for a 6'6" guy to fall down forward for a touchdown, how do we expect them to block well enough for a 5'7" guy who is starting five yards back? 

If there's one thing that troubles me about the playcalling, it's the total unwillingness to try ANYTHING different on short yardage.  Prince basically tells everyone who will listen that we're going to keep running the same goal-line play until we get a score.  That's like telling the Germans we're going to set up an ambush at the same place in Ansbach every day until we kill Hitler. 

North Texas 2000 can never be compared with Mizzou 2006 and KSU 2000 can never be the same as KSU 2006.

[EdHarley]

I don't remember Snyder running many goalline sneaks on 4th and goal.

On 4th and inches from the 40 maybe, but not too often on 4th and goal.

He didn't, because he ran QB sneaks on 2nd and goal and made them...

Look, I'm not saying that putting a QB sneak into the offense suddenly makes us a 6-2 team.  It is what it is.  But the trouling thing to me is that Prince just refuses to try anything but the standard isolation dive.

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, and in 2000 we had running backs like Chris Claybon gashing defenses for 100+ yards.

Give Beasley credit as well, he was a good runner. Freeman isn't at Beasley's level.

[ksu_FAN]

My biggest beef is that we didn't run play action on 3rd down.  The 4th down call didn't surprise me, but I would've liked to see a play action down there sometime, we've got to start using Norwood down there.

[jeffy]

Bill woulda snuck had he had a 6'6" QB

Bill woulda snuck ANYTIME there was a 1 yard to go situation.  All this talk of defensive linemen lining up to stuff the center the past couple games it total BS.  Teams did that to us over the past 17 years and that never stopped Snyder from calling it at all. 

[michigancat]

I don't remember Snyder running many goalline sneaks on 4th and goal.

On 4th and inches from the 40 maybe, but not too often on 4th and goal.

He didn't, because he ran QB sneaks on 2nd and goal and made them...

From the 6???

Ks    2-G    at Mu08    Start of 2nd quarter, clock 15:00.
Ks    2-G    at Mu08    PENALTY KS false start (Handy, Caleb) 5 yards to the MU13.
Ks    2-G    at Mu13    Patton, Leon rush for 2 yards to the MU11 (Jackson, Xzavie;Christopher, Br).
Ks    3-G    at Mu11    Patton, Leon rush for 3 yards to the MU8 (Scott, DeMarcus), PENALTY MU face mask (Scott, DeMarcus) 4 yards to the MU4, 1ST DOWN KS.
Ks    1-G    at Mu04    1st and 4.
Ks    1-G    at Mu04    PENALTY KS false start (Rooker, Brad) 5 yards to the MU9.
Ks    1-G    at Mu09    Johnson, James rush for 3 yards to the MU6 (Overstreet, Dav;Jackson, Xzavie).
Ks    2-G    at Mu06    Johnson, James rush for 2 yards to the MU4 (Smith, Brian).
Ks    3-G    at Mu04    Johnson, James rush for 3 yards to the MU1 (Ricks, Hardy;Christopher, Br).
Ks    4-G    at Mu01    Johnson, James rush for no gain to the MU1 (Chavis, Tommy).

[chum1]

Snyder would never have called a QB sneak in order to get stuffed on the goal line.  He would have called an option in order to get stuffed on the goal line.

[JavaCat]

Didn't we have several short yardage TD's last year against NU? I'm with Harley. What's disappointing is we're running the same play in the same situation every time. Hell, eat your pride and put Meier in in those situations. Get creative. Meier gives you several options in that situation that it appears Freeman doesn't. I seriously wonder whether Prince doesn't even try the QB sneak now because he knows the fans are calling for it.

[michigancat]

I seriously wonder whether Prince doesn't even try the QB sneak now because he knows the fans are calling for it.

LOL.  I thought the same thing, and I wouldn't put it past him.

[sonofdaxjones]

How about a run pass option play??

How about fake it over the top and then QB bootleg ... run a TE out into the flat with the QB??

[michigancat]

How about a run pass option play??

How about fake it over the top and then QB bootleg ... run a TE out into the flat with the QB??

Best Goalline play ever.  It seems like it works 90% of the time.  Fans should have been calling for this play instead of the freaking sneak.  When the TE shows block initially and the defense sells out against the run...TD.

Not sure if championship teams run it, though...

[ksu_FAN]

This is a legit complaint, no doubt.  Let's try to get the ball to Norwood down there off play action or run a fade to Gonzalez and let him use his 6-3. 

[greasd up deaf guy]

Snyder would never have called a QB sneak in order to get stuffed on the goal line.  He would have called an option in order to get stuffed on the goal line.

Top.....shelf.

[Andy]

the best play we've run all season was the 2pt conversion against illinois st.  seems we have yet to revisit that clutch call. 

seems right now we are too scared to turn it over in the redzone.  which if thats the case, we should kick the fg every time.  all i can guess at this time is prince is trying to instill some kind of toughness in his offensive line.   

[purplefreak42]

How about fake it over the top and then QB bootleg ... run a TE out into the flat with the QB??

Worked for NU against us.