I suppose you get what you pay for

[AzCat]

Ron Prince certainly appears to have been a bargain basement hire. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

That was sorta random.

[catzacker]

Ron Prince certainly appears to have been a bargain basement hire. 

It wasn't a bargain basement hire, it was what I refer to as "lotto" hire.  A long shot, but if you hit it, you hit it big.  Ironically, if/when Ron Prince is done in a few years, the program will be at the point where we'll be forced to hire someone similar to him in terms of their football resume. 

[AzCat]

At $750k/year he's far into bargain basement territory for a head football coach in the Big XII.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

You could be paying Manginosaurus 1.5 mil a year.

[AzCat]

The fatman will earn his extra $750k in his last game this year.  Unfortunately for ku fans that will probably also save his job.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I'd rather lose to Ksu to greatly increase the chance of sweet Lew finally getting his own pick for ku football head coach.

[catzacker]

At $750k/year he's far into bargain basement territory for a head football coach in the Big XII.

His pay coincides with his experience.  My pont was about the intent of those that made the hire.  I don't think they intended to go out and save money on this coaching hire.  For some reason, the admin thought they could win the "football coaching hire lotto" twice, the first coming with Snyder.    Prince will get his time (which I think you have to give him), but I think what we've seen what we're going to get.  

[AzCat]

I didn't say it was KSU's intent to save money by hiring Ron Prince, I said we appear to be getting just about what we've paid for.

[ds43fan]

Ron Prince certainly appears to have been a bargain basement hire. 

It wasn't a bargain basement hire, it was what I refer to as "lotto" hire.  A long shot, but if you hit it, you hit it big.  Ironically, if/when Ron Prince is done in a few years, the program will be at the point where we'll be forced to hire someone similar to him in terms of their football resume. 

BV has a similar resume but a lot more people would be happier if he comes here

[waks]

BV has been a member of a coaching staff that one a national title and has consistently been in the top 25, Prince was not a coach of a team like Oklahoma. BV was also a former KSU coach during the good ole years, I still don't know how good of a HC he would be though..

[McGrowlTowelZac]

BV has been a member of a coaching staff that one a national title and has consistently been in the top 25, Prince was not a coach of a team like Oklahoma. BV was also a former KSU coach during the good ole years, I still don't know how good of a HC he would be though..

BV's bridge back to KSU is kinda burnt right now, thats why he wasn't considered.  People high up still pissed about him turning on KSU.
Its gonna take some work to rebuild that bridge

[catzacker]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

[mjrod]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

[ds43fan]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

BV is our head coach we're 6-2 and talking bowl games because we wouldn't have had louisville on our schedual and would have beaten baylor

[mjrod]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

BV is our head coach we're 6-2 and talking bowl games because we wouldn't have had louisville on our schedual and would have beaten baylor

[ds43fan]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

BV is our head coach we're 6-2 and talking bowl games because we wouldn't have had louisville on our schedual and would have beaten baylor

:notworthy:BV the guy is a good coach he taught a person who played line his entire life LB in 3 days

[mjrod]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

BV is our head coach we're 6-2 and talking bowl games because we wouldn't have had louisville on our schedual and would have beaten baylor

:notworthy:BV the guy is a good coach he taught a person who played line his entire life LB in 3 days

You're just making a supposition about what the record might be and you have no basis in fact.

Keep dreaming junior.

[ds43fan]

i know for a fact the worst we'd be is 5-3 because BV would've schedualed a creampuff team instead of UofL

[mjrod]

i know for a fact the worst we'd be is 5-3 because BV would've schedualed a creampuff team instead of UofL

How do you know that?

You're just pulling crap out of your ass now.

[greasd up deaf guy]

i know for a fact the worst we'd be is 5-3 because BV would've schedualed a creampuff team instead of UofL

[Bookie Pimp]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

[mjrod]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

What makes Venables resume better than Prince?

[pissclams]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

What makes Venables resume better than Prince?

His national championship ring?

[mjrod]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

What makes Venables resume better than Prince?

His national championship ring?

Nice try.  Even grad assistants get those.

 

[michigancat]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

What makes Venables resume better than Prince?

I would say the fact that he's recruited Texas most of his career and done it quite well makes his resume better to start.  The numerous championships don't hurt, either.

[mjrod]

I would say the fact that he's recruited Texas most of his career and done it quite well makes his resume better to start.  The numerous championships don't hurt, either.

So that makes him a better head coach because he was CO-D for so long (and really not THE CO-D) and the fact he recruited in Texas, and the fact that Venables did not receive a good reference from his head coach?

You're going to have a very hard time defending that when you're talking about a head coach with major responsibilities running a program.

[michigancat]

Holy crap.

TOTAL DEFENSE            G  Rush Pass Plys Yards  Avg  TD Yds/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
1. Oklahoma............  3   287  296  148   583  3.9   4 194.3<-----f'ing insane
2. Texas Tech..........  4   686  574  264  1260  4.8  11 315.0 <------120 yards behind OU
3. Colorado............  4   407  875  282  1282  4.5  12 320.5
4. Texas...............  4   210 1133  247  1343  5.4  10 335.8
5. Kansas State........  4   572  860  262  1432  5.5  12 358.0
6. Texas A&M...........  4   454 1006  231  1460  6.3  12 365.0
7. Baylor..............  4   767  744  289  1511  5.2  15 377.8
8. Oklahoma State......  3   589  556  188  1145  6.1  10 381.7
9. Nebraska............  4   372 1159  296  1531  5.2   8 382.8
10.Missouri............  4   703  854  282  1557  5.5   9 389.2
11.Iowa State..........  4   736  940  251  1676  6.7  19 419.0
12.Kansas..............  4   520 1440  289  1960  6.8  19 490.0

[Bookie Pimp]

BV would've been the head coach at KSU but he raped a horse or something.  He committed some unmentionable sin that disqualified him from taking the KSU job but more than qualified him for keeping his current job at OU. 

Bob Stoops also stated that BV was not ready to be a HC.  I think BV sometime well after this said he wasn't ready at the time either.

Ok, then... so be it.  BUT, why didn't anybody bother to mention to us that Ron Prince wasn't ready to be a head coach at this level?

Seeing as how Venebles has a FAR better resume than Prince, surely somebody should have noticed.  Wouldn't you agree?

 

What makes Venables resume better than Prince?

Surely, you're not serious...

 


Should I start with the playing experience, coaching experience, or quality of programs under which he's been taught?

 

[michigancat]

I would say the fact that he's recruited Texas most of his career and done it quite well makes his resume better to start.  The numerous championships don't hurt, either.

So that makes him a better head coach because he was CO-D for so long (and really not THE CO-D) and the fact he recruited in Texas, and the fact that Venables did not receive a good reference from his head coach?

I still don't believe that reference crap.  And yes, the recruiting aspect outweighs three ring binders any day of the week.