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[WillieWannabe]

can anybody quote correctly in this thread???

[michigancat]

Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?  

What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.?  Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?

[sonofdaxjones]

Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?  

What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.?  Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?

Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??

Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).   

Oh hell, I'll do it:

Michael Smith-I think K-state was Smith's only offer.

Andre Coleman-Maybe 1 or 2 offers

Kevin Lockett-1 Star WR out of Oklahoma, an offer to walk-on at Tulsa.

Tyson Schweiger-Did anyone else even offer that kid?? Did we even get him out of HS?? (and and please note this is during the period when we had the "recruiters" on the staff . . . remember?)

Mitch Running-Did anyone else even offer Running??  (again, this is when we supposedly when we had the "recruiters" on staff). 

Jordy Nelson-Walkon

Aaron Lockett-If K-State wasn't "so good" to his brother, does K-State even get a sniff at this kid?

Jerome Janet-Lending credence to the axiom of "you just never know". 

Darnell McDonald-Juco
Quincy Morgan-Juco (redshirted his first year at K-state)
James Terry-Juco

So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's.    As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco). 

So this is where I don't get you thinking that all of a sudden K-State is going to start landing big time stud WR's, particlarly one's out of High School.

[michigancat]

Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing? 

What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.?  Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?

Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??

Stats, offers, and measurables are what I'm basing it on.  He could be better, he could be worse.  I don't see anything that convinces me strongly in either direction.

Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).   

I don't think that's my angle at all.  Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you're claiming my angle to be.

So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's.    As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco). 

The assistants you mentioned were good recruiters in part because they were so good at evaluation.  But I love the made up offer lists.  Not sure where you were going with it, but I liked it anyway.

[sonofdaxjones]

Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?  

What separates this guy from Quarles, Pierce, Snipes, etc.?  Heck, what makes you think he's as good as Deon Murphy, based on the criteria you listed?

Since you seem to know . . . why don't you tell us why he's no better than those guys cRusty??

Stats, offers, and measurables are what I'm basing it on.  He could be better, he could be worse.  I don't see anything that convinces me strongly in either direction. (So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)

Also could you list out all the "game changing" WR's out of HS that have landed at K-State under Snyder 1 and Ron Prince (because I know that's your angle here).  

I don't think that's my angle at all.  Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you're claiming my angle to be.(You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers)

So yeah, I can see where you're going with this, even when K-State had the "recruiters" (Stoops, Stoops, Leavitt, Mangino, Venables) K-State barely even got sniffed at by any "big time" High School WR's.    As far as I can tell the "recruiters" only landed one bonafide stone cold lead pipe lock stud during their tenure and that was Darnell McDonald (Juco), and one possible stud in Morgan (Juco).  

The assistants you mentioned were good recruiters in part because they were so good at evaluation.  But I love the made up offer lists.  Not sure where you were going with it, but I liked it anyway. (Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that.   Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers.  9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out??  2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)

[catzacker]

from a talent evaluation standpoint and "coaching" standpoint, it's night and day between the staff that Snyder used to have ('95-98) and the one he has now.  This current staff, whose core was here from '02-05 (and through '08 if you count Rahne) are either (a) not good evaluators (b) not good "coaches" or (c) both.  I now this because they took a conference championship program and wrecked it. 

[michigancat]

(So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)

No, I'm only taking issue with the notion that this kid is basically guaranteed to be better than WR's currently on the roster simply because Bill recruited him and might get another year or two with him.

You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers

That's not my angle at all.  You always confuse my issue with "recruiting" as only being about stars.  That's freaking retarded.

(Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that.   Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers.  9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out??  2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

[Rick Daris]

Darnell McDonald-Juco
Quincy Morgan-Juco (redshirted his first year at K-state)
James Terry-Juco

how many of those guys juco balled in cali? none.

this cali guy is a loser and he and his four separate injuries since highschool can stay in california and join a hopscotch league to go along w/ his skate team because he's not going to do much here. other then get injured again.

[Legore]

I'll take this kid and give him a chance.   Quincy Morgan, James Terry, Yamon Figurs all juco WR's that Snyder recruited none of which were all that highly ranked out of JC.  People forget this about Quincy but he didn't even play his first year out of JC he redshirted.  So it's not like he was some 5 star stud that dominated from the day he walked onto campus.  I wouldn't expect that out of this kid either but he's got three years to play and like those other guys he seems to have good measurables to work with.   

I'm not saying this kid will be as good as those guys but I'll give him a chance.  Snyder does have a history of doing a good job with Juco WR's and WR's in general.  Hard to argue otherwise even his last couple of years when we sucked we had two WR's that ended up being first day NFL draft picks (Jordy and Yamon).  The talent fell off at a lot of positions but it never really did at WR and almost all of our good WR's have been kind of off the radar unconventional recruits like this kid. 

Obviously this guy isn't the answer to all of our problems but I see no reason to be pessimistic or upset about him.   

[sonofdaxjones]

(So you don't know either way, but you seem to be making a big deal out of it??)

No, I'm only taking issue with the notion that this kid is basically guaranteed to be better than WR's currently on the roster simply because Bill recruited him and might get another year or two with him. (so one person is saying that . . . .kind of )

You're angle is "anybody but Snyder could do better" . . . yet reality says again and again that 20 years prior, and 9 years with the "recuiters" on staff, and K-State landed exactly ZERO highly touted High School receivers, and maybe 3 or 4 highly touted JC Receivers . . . that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 rides to offer . . . . 4 highly touted receivers

That's not my angle at all.  You always confuse my issue with "recruiting" as only being about stars.  That's freaking retarded. (who said anything about stars??  So suddenly you can "project" that the guy isn't any good because YOU THINK there isn't good talent "evaluators" on the staff?)

(Yeah, I mean those guys I mentioned that had so few offers must have been lying about that.   Let's see, 9 years with at least 3 of the "recruiters" on staff . . . 1 or 2 highly touted JC receivers, ZERO highly touted high school receivers.  9 years, that's what . . . 200-250 rides given out??  2 highly touted JC receivers . .. I don't see those guys as being all that superior in talent evaluation to any of the guys we have now . . . better coaches, maybe, talent evaluators . . . that's not quantifiable on any level)

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write. (Yeah I read what you post, and it's nothing but the usual cRusty agenda)

[kougar24]

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

You're just now figuring this out about dax?

[sonofdaxjones]

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

You're just now figuring this out about dax?

Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.

[steve dave]

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

You're just now figuring this out about dax?

Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.

Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup.  And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here.  I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with).  I'm also not going to get all excited about it.  What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant

[ksu_FAN]

What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant

In the end, this is just a product of not being very good.  There is a reason bad teams don't have really active message boards.  See anything K-State hoops related pre-Huggs. 

Plus our situation is pretty unique; falling from being a national program, weird retirement after a couple bad seeason, the Prince experiement, and Snyder coming back with mixed reviews.  Really not surprising the message board discussions, especially here, have a bit of wackiness to them.

[sonofdaxjones]

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

You're just now figuring this out about dax?

Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.

Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup.  And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here.  I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with).  I'm also not going to get all excited about it.  What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant

I agree . . . and lets never ever pretend that K-State was ever landing any "big timers" with any regularity, even when we had the so called "recruiters" on the staff.

[steve dave]

Do you even read what I post?  It's like you just type a canned response no matter what I write.

You're just now figuring this out about dax?

Using that "logic" it's no different than the "hate everything" canned responses from Kougs and cRusty.

Well, rusty made it clear that he could be good he just said he wasn't going to get excited about the pickup.  And, lets be honest, it's not like we just landed a guaranteed superstar here.  I have no problem with the recruit (as oppossed to the Snyder kid who I have a huge problem with).  I'm also not going to get all excited about it.  What the f^ck is with everyone flipping out if someone isn't celebrating this like we just landed Dez Bryant

I agree . . . and lets never ever pretend that K-State was ever landing any "big timers" with any regularity, even when we had the so called "recruiters" on the staff.

 

[Rick Daris]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

[sonofdaxjones]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive .  . .

[kougar24]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive .  . .

Jaime Mendez, and...?

[sonofdaxjones]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

Well, we've actually had a few "older" guys be pretty productive .  . .

Jaime Mendez, and...?

Wasn't James Terry like 23 or 24 when he was a senior?  Hey, Norris Coleman was like 30.

[JTKSU]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

The UTenn rivals site shows an offer, but I don't know if that really confirms anything.  I'm not sure if the individual sites track offers, or if it's a rivals network wide deal.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-103977

[Rick Daris]

at the end of the day, kstate just got a verbal from a gentleman who will be in his mid twenties by the time he steps on the field in manhattan and has had just as many injuries in the last four years as he has had football games played in.

also, can anyone link a UT site confirming the offer? i don't doubt it or anything i just couldn't find a site of theirs that showed it. thanks.

The UTenn rivals site shows an offer, but I don't know if that really confirms anything.  I'm not sure if the individual sites track offers, or if it's a rivals network wide deal.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/player-Kenny-Davis-103977

thx. can't get rivals at work. it was the one place i couldn't check.

[Rick Daris]

anybody get word on whether or not this budding superstar in mhk yet? sure think he's gonna be a great one.

 

[steve dave]

anybody get word on whether or not this budding superstar in mhk yet? sure think he's gonna be a great one.

 

lol

[Bookcat]

excellent bump