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[JTKSU]

obvious comparo should be to this guy. i'll take the under.

"The No. 80 junior college player in the nation by Rivals."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243519

Besides them being similar size, what are you basing this comparison on?  Have you seen film of Davis?  Or is this just another example of what a giant pussy you are?  Is there a particular reason you feel the need to bitch about everything?  Maybe you should move to Michigan so that you and Rusty can keep a constant suicide watch on each other?  I think an obvious comparo to you would be a sweaty fat girl's vagina.

[steve dave]

does he have any bionic parts?  if so he should look into going pro in roller derby

I'm hoping it's a skateboarding team and not a roller skating team.  Actually, I'm happy with either now that I think about it.

[KSt8er]

So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet?  As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason?  You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?  

We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now.  Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?  

How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?  

And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?

History of signing them and then seeing great results?   Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?

Or maybe we should stop recruiting 4 year guys to go with no jucos.  Obviously these guys are wasting their time with coaching, why the frack not recruit and sign only top 100 FFS. 

[michigancat]

History of signing them and then seeing great results?   

What WR has snyder signed from a cali juco that has done better than Quarles?

Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?

I would have no problem w/ this (as long as Snyder is gone, too).  But it's a poor analogy when discussing juco wide receivers.

[Rick Daris]

obvious comparo should be to this guy. i'll take the under.

"The No. 80 junior college player in the nation by Rivals."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1243519

Besides them being similar size, what are you basing this comparison on?  Have you seen film of Davis?  Or is this just another example of what a giant pussy you are?  Is there a particular reason you feel the need to bitch about everything?  Maybe you should move to Michigan so that you and Rusty can keep a constant suicide watch on each other?  I think an obvious comparo to you would be a sweaty fat girl's vagina.

there goes jtksu with his complaining again. jtksu should go on suicide watch maybe, no?

[KSt8er]

History of signing them and then seeing great results?  

What WR has snyder signed from a cali juco that has done better than Quarles?

Our offensive line is struggling, any reason to not fire the OL coach today since he has done nothing to improve them, and he has some 4 year guys he's working with?

I would have no problem w/ this (as long as Snyder is gone, too).  But it's a poor analogy when discussing juco wide receivers.

What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco?  Has he ever?  Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players.  Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one. 

So it basically comes back to you don't have Patterson still?  

[chum1]

How many stud receivers do when need when you know the old man is going to run the ball every chance he gets?  Besides, it's not like everyone can put up godlike numbers like Lamark can.

[kougar24]

So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet?  As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason?  You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?  

We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now.  Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?  

How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?  

And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?

 

[Fedor]

So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet?  As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason?  You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?  

We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now.  Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?  

How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?  

And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?

Quarles is hurt and Snipes actually leads the team in yards and TD's.  Of course his stats are pretty terrible but he has Coffman throwing to him for chrissakes.  Which Juco players are you remembering that instantly tore it up?  Bishop (arguably the best juco we have ever had) pretty much stunk for his first year.  
Your quest to be constantly bitchy tends to lead you into making stupid statements and taking rather indefensible stands.

[JTKSU]

So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet?  As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason?  You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?  

We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now.  Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?  

How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?  

And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?

Quarles is hurt and Snipes actually leads the team in yards and TD's.  Of course his stats are pretty terrible but he has Coffman throwing to him for chrissakes.  Which Juco players are you remembering that instantly tore it up?  Bishop (arguably the best juco we have ever had) pretty much stunk for his first year.  
Your quest to be constantly bitchy tends to lead you into making stupid statements and taking rather indefensible stands.

Dude, you lost all credibility by making that statement.

1997 (junior): Second-team All-Big 12 pick by league coaches... Big 12 Newcomer of the Year by the Associated Press... Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year by the Big 12 coaches, Kansas City Star , Waco Tribune and Ft. Worth Star-Telegram ... FX-TV K-State Player of the Game against Nebraska ... Big 12 TV Player of the Game against Missouri ... ABC Chevrolet Player of the Game against Texas A&M... ABC Chevrolet Player of the Game against Colorado ... Named Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Offensive MVP... College Sports News National Newcomer-of-the-Year ... K-State Offensive Most Valuable Player... Compiled a 35-1 as a starting collegiate quarterback (24-0 at Blinn CC and 11-1 at K-State) after guiding the Wildcats to a 11-1 record in 1997 (only loss coming to Nebraska)... Best performance of his career came in 35-18 win over Syracuse in Tostitos Fiesta Bowl when he completed 14-of-23 passes for career-high 317 yards and four touchdowns, while rushing for 73 yards and another touchdown, to earn Offensive Player of the Game honors... Set the single season quarterback rushing record at K-State... Ranks No. 4 in career rushing by a quarterback as well with 556 total yards on 147 carries... Set K-State season record for quarterbacks with nine rushing touchdowns... Averaged 19.5 yards per completion... Ranks fourth in the Big 12 in passing efficiency (128.5) and No. 5 (193.0) in total offense... Set a Kansas State and Big 12 quarterback rushing record with 196 yards on 14 carries against Missouri ... Rushed for two touchdowns and threw for another in the 41-11 victory... Became only the fifth Kansas State quarterback to rush for over 100 yards in a game... Had 26 rushes for 10 or more yards while 40 of his attempts resulted in first downs... Debuted with a five-touchdown performance on the road at Northern Illinois ... Rushed for a 43-yard touchdown and threw for four more (18, 8, 37, 65) in 47-7 victory over the Huskies... His four touchdown strikes tied a K-State record for touchdown passes in a game... His single-game passing efficiency of 274.22 in that game also set a school record... Rushed for 98 yards while completing 8-of-13 passes for 172 yards with no picks... Rushed for 98 yards and two scores in win over Iowa State ... Came to K-State with a 24-0 record as the starter at Blinn ( Texas ) Junior College ... Player of the Game choice during four K-State televised games... Threw a football 93 yards during preseason workout ... K-State Offensive Player-of-the-Game as chosen by the coaches in games against Northern Illinois and Kansas .

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3069&SPID=212&DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=810304

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't see anything wrong with K-State taking this kid.  They need receivers . . . while the video wasn't the best, my first thought was James Terry.

But . . . until we find a QB who can, well, dare I say it, actually perform well in the role of a passer . . . lets just stick Fullback types out there and let them block.

[mjrod]

So the lack of production from Quarles and Snipes can be laid at this staff's feet?  As well as every Juco non-provider we've had since, what, '04, is not a reflection RP and staff much more than any other reason?  You are suggesting that coaching has no influence on juco recruit production?  

We are getting nothing out of Quarles and Snipes now.  Assuming this guy is similarly ranked, why should we expect Snyder to get anything out of him next year?  

How long should it take for bill to wave his fU*king magic wand and turn these jucos into productive football players?  

And if he can't turn Quarles and Snipes into productive football players in spring practice and fall camp, why the f*ck is he signing jucos?

I'm curious as to how many JUCO players Snyder has signed and how many of those were "productive football players with one spring practice and one fall camp?"

Any idea?

[~WabashRoll~]

I'll be happy if the new guy is as good as this guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taco_Wallace

[purpleblooded]

He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."

 
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I hope nobody tells him that Manhattan doesn't have a skating rink.   

[Fedor]

Bish completed 43% of his passes for the entire year and turned over the ball a ton the whole first half of the season.  His big play ability made up for alot of the mistakes but he was not the Bishop we all remember from '98 early in his career.  And yet now the standard is that juco's must instantly perform at a high standard.  Why is that?  

Most people who have followed the team a while will probably remember the Snyder M.O. when breaking in juco players.  The depth chart at the beginning of the season was always dotted with 4A Kansas try hard type players people would say” oh noes we will suck if ____ is starting, then as the conference season approached they would be supplanted by the juco’s and away we would go for another 11 win season.  

[michigancat]

What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco?  Has he ever?  Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players.  Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one. 

When did I say this guy would be a failure?  I just said he's nothing to get excited about - he's meh.  I just get sick of this notion that Snyder has some sort of magic touch with recruiting or coaching or something that frankly hasn't been evident in his last 5 or so recruiting classes and last 3 seasons on the field.

Reread my post that sent you in a tizzy:

daris was just being daris.  This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit.  Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's.  I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles?  Still, he could be pretty decent.  There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.

[cireksu]

I'd take another quarels that's healthy.

[steve dave]

What wide receiver has Snyder signed from a Cali juco?  Has he ever?  Just sayin, you are taking one guy's results after a few weeks of coaching under Snyder, in a new system, and expounding that into quite a concept of failure for all future similar position players.  Not sure you are objectively evaluating this one. 

When did I say this guy would be a failure?  I just said he's nothing to get excited about - he's meh.  I just get sick of this notion that Snyder has some sort of magic touch with recruiting or coaching or something that frankly hasn't been evident in his last 5 or so recruiting classes and last 3 seasons on the field.

Reread my post that sent you in a tizzy:

daris was just being daris.  This guy is the very definition of a meh recruit.  Sure the offers are there, but even Prince beat out other decent schools for juco's.  I mean, other than a third year, what separates him from Aubrey Quarles?  Still, he could be pretty decent.  There's just no way to tell w/ cali jucos especially.

MICat's analysis on this is as middle of the road as it comes.  Anyone who gets upset by it is either a powertard or super emo.

[catzacker]

i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not.  would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference?  not really.  get me a qb, snyds.

[michigancat]

i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not.  would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference?  not really.  get me a qb, snyds.

Agree 100%.

[Bhyaaaaa!]

This whole thread is just a bunch of people saying "duh" back and forth to each other.

[JTKSU]

i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not.  would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference?  not really.  get me a qb, snyds.

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.  Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to.  Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.

[michigancat]

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.

One, small, but significant correction.  This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.

[Rick Daris]

i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not.  would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference?  not really.  get me a qb, snyds.

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.  Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to.  Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.

he's a thirty year old juco wide receiver from california who was a two star out of highschool and apparently isn't smart enough to avoid automobile accidents or athletic enough to avoid injuries. he's had both hamstrings torn and now has a sprained ac joint. NEXT!

[Skydog]

i think it's a "meh" recruit because who gives a f about a juco wr, good or not.  would dez bryant on this team make a sh*t of difference?  not really.  get me a qb, snyds.

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.  Even if we do bring in a top talent at QB, he's still going to need targets or we'll just be saying next year that he was unproductive because he had no one to throw to.  Obviously, QB needs to be our main focus but you don't stop recruiting every other position until you sign a QB.

he's a thirty year old juco wide receiver from california who was a two star out of highschool and apparently isn't smart enough to avoid automobile accidents or athletic enough to avoid injuries. he's had both hamstrings torn and now has a sprained ac joint. NEXT!

I know you say these things just to be stupid but still... 

[KSt8er]

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.

One, small, but significant correction.  This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.

Again, you are directly correlating the results from guys on this team against future results by a new guy, that is now under a new coach in Snyder.  And more importantly the guys on the team now in this comparison came through the RP system.  There is no comparison.  
The only that you should make is Snyder's results with Juco guys.  Or if you like better, his results with wide receivers over 6'2" tall.  

On paper, this guy's measureables are more than meh.

Is Snyder a miracle worker, one could argue yes.  Will whomever he brings in get better and achieve their potential, yes, if they are willing to work and learn, then yes.  What more can you ask of a HC? 

[michigancat]

Again, you are directly correlating the results from guys on this team against future results by a new guy, that is now under a new coach in Snyder.  And more importantly the guys on the team now in this comparison came through the RP system.  There is no comparison. 

We're going in circles, but you're apparently still confused. 

The guys on the team now are under Snyder who look virtually identical to Kenny Davis based on things like stats and measurables and recruiting interest.  The only thing you can point out that separates Davis from recruits on the roster is the fact that a different man recruited them.  You think that fact will make a significant difference in this player's production.

That is mind boggling to anyone with an ounce of sanity.

[sonofdaxjones]

There is still the whole matter of needing talent at basically every position.  This announcement isn't as exciting as, say, that of a Cam Newton but it's still adding talent to a largely untalented team.

One, small, but significant correction.  This recruit replaces talent more than he adds.

You watch a lot of film on this kid cRusty??

So schools like Tenn (you know where 4 and 5 star recruits line up like cord wood) supposedly offer this kid, and they're just looking for him to "replace" somebody??  Implying that they didn't really have any other choices??

[KSt8er]

The only thing you can point out that separates Davis from recruits on the roster is the fact that a different man recruited them.  You think that fact will make a significant difference in this player's production.

Do I think the coaches here now have a better ability to spot talent, probably but RP was not without that imho, he just couldn't land them.  And again, I'm not implying it's the recruiter making the difference, I'm implying it's the coaching they will receive, in this case 3 frakin years of it here.  Are all receivers in Cali jucos identical in your mind, none with more talent, none with more upside, size, speed, and year mean nothing?    

I don't think we are that far apart on this guy, I just think his size and speed along with 3 years, and the ever important list of who else gave offers, ads up to more than a meh.

[ednksu]

He is part of a skate team called the "Certified Rollers."

 

I hope nobody tells him that Manhattan doesn't have a skating rink.   
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atleast we have a skate park.