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1. Key Position Battles

TE - Brad Cottam, Tony Curtis and Sean Ryan (got a bad case of the drops all over the offense)
S - Mike Brown, Bernard Pollard, Jarrad Page
C - Rudy Niswanger and Eric Ghiaciuc

2. The switch from the 4-3 to a 3-4 defense

There will be problems at the DE position. Glenn Dorsey really isn't a DE and Tyson Jackson is a rookie. Can Mike Vrabel turn back the clock and has Tamba Hali discovered speed (the natural kind) in the offseason? Hopefully we can find a pass rush or CB's Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr are going to be very busy this season.

Apparently Hali is having a great camp so far

3. Offensive Line?

Branden Albert did a nice job playing an unnatural position last season.....Too bad he got FAT during the offseason. Damion McIntosh has been a disappointment since coming over from Miami two seasons ago. Is Brian Waters going to be happy playing with the Chiefs? Mike Goff struggled last year with San Diego.

Bottom Line.....

Don't expect a miracle because Pioli and Haley have a BIG mess to clean up. Interestingly enough it could be a good year to draft Chiefs offensive players and Chiefs opponents players on your fantasy team because this team is going to have to throw the ball alot to catch up in games.

On the agenda for the first day of training camp.....

Each player will have to run three 300-yard shuttles and complete them in an assigned time. Times vary by position.

Some signings of note.....

Alex Magee, a third-round defensive lineman from Purdue, and Quinten Lawrence, a sixth-round wide receiver from McNeese State, will be with the Chiefs today when they head to training camp in Wisconsin. According to the KC Star, Magee has spoken with Jackson and a deal shouldn't be too far off.
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July 30, 2009, 08:12:57 PM
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July 30, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
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Mike Vick

I wouldn't be against it but Vick needs a franchise with stable and established leadership at the top and, although I believe we will have that, we're not there yet.
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July 31, 2009, 01:14:02 PM
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July 31, 2009, 01:18:01 PM
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What player on another team should we injure this year to become relevant in some sort of conversation?

July 31, 2009, 01:57:43 PM
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This is kinda Chiefs related and kinda not. If Jackson gets signed soon he'll be the 14th of 32 First Round picks to sign (44%) either before or right at the beginning of Training Camp. It always baffles me that it takes so long to even start the process of signing guys, I mean the Draft was in April, and that there is always a big rush before Training Camps start. Also, there are always alot of guys with lengthy holdouts. That doesn't seem like it's going to be the case this year. Anybody know why?

Got three more today I believe
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July 31, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test.  Watters refuses to comment on his.   :suicideispainless:

July 31, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test.  Watters refuses to comment on his.   :suicideispainless:

Gonna be an exciting season  :excited:
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August 03, 2009, 10:05:14 AM
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test.  Watters refuses to comment on his.   :suicideispainless:

OG's Brian Waters and Mike Goff and NT Ron Edwards have finally passed. My first post in this thread has been updated yet again.
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August 03, 2009, 10:49:40 AM
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Dorsey failed the conditioning test.  Watters refuses to comment on his.   :suicideispainless:
My first post in this thread has been updated yet again.
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August 04, 2009, 12:49:22 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

August 04, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
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August 04, 2009, 01:39:09 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.

he would be a possession receiver at best... he isn't as explosive as he used to be so I don't see him making any big plays like Bowe can do...

August 04, 2009, 01:49:21 PM
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If you've been reading about the performances of our WR's in camp so far a possession receiver is what we're looking for. We need someone who can actually possess the football.
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August 04, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
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A 1-year deal for Toomer is fine. Nothing to get upset about, to be sure. Might increase Bowe's production greatly.

August 04, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
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Im not upset about the pickup I am just sayin I think we can do better and go for the slam dunk young pickup... I know it's way too late in the offseason to do that I am just hoping they maybe draft a WR or make a pickup or trade for one next offseason.

August 05, 2009, 03:10:59 PM
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12018399

"I keep reminding him," Haley said, "that this isn't Year 9 with the Patriots; this is Year 1 with the Chiefs. He's an excitable, enthusiastic guy with a lot of confidence. He wants to get it all done [in a hurry], but I told him, 'Calm down. You can't do everything you want to do or I want to do right now. This is a process.'"
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August 05, 2009, 05:13:42 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress:  35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.


August 05, 2009, 05:17:45 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress:  35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.



How's Denver looking this year?  :lol:

August 05, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress:  35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.



How's Denver looking this year?  :lol:

Bad! Why do you ask?
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August 06, 2009, 01:23:14 PM
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August 06, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
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Chiefs continuing to sign old past their prime vets...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4376493

I'm not sure if "past his prime" is a fair statement. He had 48 catches for 580 yards (12.1 yards/catch) last season which was good for second on a team that also had Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Kevin Boss and Sinorice Moss. I think it's safe to say that he was productive as recently as last season.

He'll be coming to a team that, other than Dwayne Bowe, has a mediocre at best receiving corps. Plus I don't think the Chiefs are expecting Toomer to come in and be "the guy". They're going to want him to come in and provide a veteran leadership for the team.
Delusional. . .
Burress:  35 receptions - (must've stolen all of Toomer's)
all the other receivers that you mentioned suck.
Toomer is definitely past his prime.
But that fact that I've seen him actually catch a pass before is saying more than most of your receivers can't be a bad thing for you Chiefs fans.



How's Denver looking this year?  :lol:
I'd say denver goes 6-8--8-8
KC will go 4-12--6-10

BTW, I never said Denver was going to be good, nor do I think that a old/past his prime wr is going to help us.  Also, I never even mentioned Denver in this thread.  I thought this thread was about KC.  Why do you always have to bring up Denver?  Obesessed?  If you want to talk about Denver's training camp you can start a new thread.  We are talking about KC in this thread.

August 06, 2009, 06:07:23 PM
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!

:cheers:

Details.....

Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!

More Details.....

5 years $57 million with $31 million guaranteed according to 810
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August 06, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!

:cheers:

Details.....

Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!

The highest paid Chiefs player ever? Are you kidding me? He wasn't even worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft. My guess is he will be a bust.

August 06, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
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I don't have the details yet but Tyson Jackson is signed!

:cheers:

Details.....

Channel 13 just reported that the deal is 5 years and that Jackson is now the highest payed Chiefs player EVER! Wow!

The highest paid Chiefs player ever? Are you kidding me? He wasn't even worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft. My guess is he will be a bust.
Gonna LOL when he gets like 13 tackles all season

August 06, 2009, 09:07:40 PM
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I still can't believe they passed on a "sure thing" LB with Curry to get a borderline top 15 pick. . .with the 3rd pick.  Especially just 1 year removed from getting a bust DE with a top 5 pick.

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I still can't believe they passed on a "sure thing" LB with Curry to get a borderline top 15 pick. . .with the 3rd pick.  Especially just 1 year removed from getting a bust DE with a top 5 pick.

Dorsey at the time was a DT which was in the old system. He is being converted to DE this year. Tyson Jackson is a true DE in a 3-4 style defense. He fits in perfectly with what the Chiefs want to do. Whether he will be good or not is yet to be seen...

August 07, 2009, 09:46:39 AM
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On ESPN.com's Front Page there's an NFL Rumor Central with the headline "Vick to possibly back up Cassel" but when you click on it it doesn't mention it anywhere in the story so I don't know what to tell you.
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On ESPN.com's Front Page there's an NFL Rumor Central with the headline "Vick to possibly back up Cassel" but when you click on it it doesn't mention it anywhere in the story so I don't know what to tell you.

I love the idea of having an athlete like Vick backing up Cassel but I just don't see Pioli taking a risk like this, this early in his stint as GM for KC...

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4385892

John Clayton's Camp Observations -

1. Focus on Matt Cassel: The Chiefs' new QB resembles a taller, sturdier version of Trent Green. That thought should put Chiefs fans at ease.

Green played quarterback like a point guard in basketball, quickly getting the ball to others. In his 15 starts for the Patriots last season, Cassel handled the job basically the same way. An accurate passer (63.4 percent completion rate in '08), Cassel is also surprisingly mobile at 6-foot-4 and 230 pounds. He was one of the league's best running quarterbacks, rushing for 270 yards last season -- something you wouldn't expect for his tall frame.

With the Patriots, coaches asked Cassel to dump short passes to Wes Welker, Randy Moss and others and didn't require him to make long throws. The Patriots hoped to win with yards after the catch and not with Cassel's arm, so it's hard to tell whether he can successfully work the long passing game. Haley said Cassel can make all of the throws, including long ones.

Receiver Dwayne Bowe and other players on offense love how well Cassel leads the huddle. Years of being Tom Brady's understudy helped him become a leader. Once Cassel gets to the huddle, he quickly puts his 10 other players at ease by explaining the situations and delivering the assignments.

2. Let's get in shape, fellas: Apparently, the Chiefs went 2-14 during the regular season and lost a postseason battle with the Kansas City "Chefs."

Haley believed he inherited a lot of players with midsections a little too big. Left tackle Brandon Albert checked into the offseason program at around 340 pounds. Defensive lineman Glenn Dorsey was also around 340. Bowe was around 238. To improve the team's athleticism, Haley ordered some players to go on diets. By his latest count, the Chiefs have collectively lost about 800 pounds.

The weight loss was so dramatic that a few players struggled in the first few days of camp. Albert, for example, felt too light moving around at 35 pounds less. Bowe said he also felt different running around weighing less than 210 pounds. One week into camp, however, players have adjusted to their new weights. The lighter offensive linemen should move quicker on zone blocks and traps. Bowe feels quicker after worrying he might not be as physical against cornerbacks in press coverage. Haley believes the lost weight means the Chiefs won't fade in the final months of the season.

3. What kind of offense will the Chiefs run?  Haley can't answer that because it is clearly a work in progress. On Friday, Haley looked at a four-receiver package out of the shotgun, but there are clear weaknesses at receiver. Bowe is a star at split end who can break tackles and make big plays. After that, Haley and the Chiefs don't know what they have. In fact, they will hit the waiver wire for the next few months to find players who fit.

Receivers Mark Bradley and Devard Darling are holdovers from last season, but don't be surprised if they are eventually replaced. Bobby Engram, 36, was signed to work the slot and looks good. Flanker Amani Toomer, formerly of the New York Giants, was signed last week. It's pretty clear that Cassel doesn't have many run-after-catch options except for Bowe and perhaps Engram out of the slot. Receivers on the team believe Kansas City will use more three-receiver sets, but figuring out who the receivers will be is the toughest part.

4. Lots of Larry Johnson? With the passing offense in flux, don't be surprised if Haley goes with a running attack led by Johnson. Haley doesn't mind running the ball 35 or more times a game if he must.

After a horrible 2008 season, Johnson has done everything possible to persuade the organization he can be a workhorse again. Following Haley's weight-loss edict, Johnson now weighs in the 220s and is running with authority. This is a critical season for Johnson, who turns 30 in November. That's an age at which most backs begin to decline.

Johnson averaged 4.5 yards a carry last year but had only had 193 attempts in an offense that had only three basic running plays. Haley has added traps and numerous other running plays to the playbook.

5. Those old linebackers: Watching practice, I now know why Scott Pioli acquired 30-something linebackers Mike Vrabel, Zach Thomas and Monty Beisel. Switching to a 3-4 defense, Pioli needed players who knew the scheme. It may be a tough transition for a defense that has played the 4-3 for years.

Tank Tyler is adjusting well at nose tackle. Former defensive linemen Tamba Hali and Turk McBride are projects as they make the switch to outside linebacker. Hali will start on the outside even though he's not perfect in coverage. You wonder if McBride, a former second-round choice, will make the team. He's being juggled between the second and third team and might be a trade option for teams looking for a defensive lineman.

Derrick Johnson, a fluid weakside linebacker in the 4-3, should be able to run around and make plays at inside linebacker. Dorsey may need time to feel comfortable moving from defensive tackle in a 4-3 to end in a 3-4. It will help having former LSU teammate Tyson Jackson with him at end. I also like what I see from Alex Magee, a 298-pound third-round choice who is playing end.
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