FYI

[michigancat]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

Because they're stupid, that's why.

Is Texas Tech regretting the Knight hire?

Even with the way it's ended, does OSU regret hiring Sutton?

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

Bobby Knight isn't winning the same way he did in Indiana, and more importantly, Knight hasn't been as violent as he had at Indiana, and they certainly tolerated it a lot more than Tech does.

No, but Sutton is retiring anyway, and stopped coaching when he had a relapse.  So it's not going to matter.

Huggins won't get a long leash even if he's hired, and there are KSU Alumni out there with some pull who will make it clear, they'll want a clean guy.

Yeah, Knight isn't winning like he used to, but do they regret his hiring, which instantly brought them multiple ESPN appearances, and just created a weekly Texas Tech infomercial on ESPN?

Huggins is no worse than 80% of coaches in the country.

[mjrod]

Why Fox?  Are you saying you'd only be happy with who you want?

How many times are you happy with something you don't want?

 

If wins only matter, then it doesn't matter who's at the helm, so long as they win.  If the screw up and make the university look bad, does that mean they get a pass simply because they are winning?

You didn't even know who Bob Huggins was two weeks ago.

Fatass.

So?  Can you make a point, or do you just like being a ass?

[mjrod]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

Because they're stupid, that's why.

Is Texas Tech regretting the Knight hire?

Even with the way it's ended, does OSU regret hiring Sutton?

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

Bobby Knight isn't winning the same way he did in Indiana, and more importantly, Knight hasn't been as violent as he had at Indiana, and they certainly tolerated it a lot more than Tech does.

No, but Sutton is retiring anyway, and stopped coaching when he had a relapse.  So it's not going to matter.

Huggins won't get a long leash even if he's hired, and there are KSU Alumni out there with some pull who will make it clear, they'll want a clean guy.

Yeah, Knight isn't winning like he used to, but do they regret his hiring, which instantly brought them multiple ESPN appearances, and just created a weekly Texas Tech infomercial on ESPN?

Huggins is no worse than 80% of coaches in the country.

So now it's about appearing on ESPN?  I thought you guys wanted to win ball games?

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, it shows how clueless you are.

You didn't know who Bob Huggins was a few weeks ago.

Now you supposedly "know" that we won't even tough Huggins.

[mjrod]

Yes, it shows how clueless you are.

You didn't know who Bob Huggins was a few weeks ago.

Now you supposedly "know" that we won't even tough Huggins.

That's not a valid point.  You don't know anyone you hire at a business at all, but you know what that business is looking for and companies do background checks as well.

That's a pretty stupid statement you made.  You should go back to class and learn something.

[kougar24]

Rusty, you seem to regard TV appearances pretty heavily. More heavily than what they're actually saying about us around the nation if we have a coach with baggage? I'm not pulling one way or the other here, just playing devil's advocate.

[ksu_FAN]

Some more information here, relates to the original post.  I find it somewhat humorous what the majority of these majors are.

BEARCAT GRADUATES

Critics have dogged Huggins' graduation rate during his UC tenure. Here are the 27 players who played for Huggins who have earned degrees from UC.

Steve Sanders, BA communication arts, 1990

Anthony Buford, BA economics, 1992

Benjamin Ward, BS criminal justice, 1992

Michael Reicheneker, BS criminal justice, 1992

Andre Tate, BS criminal justice, 1992

Keith Starks, BS criminal justice, 1992

Jeff Scott, BS sociology, 1993

Erik Martin, BS criminal justice, 1993

Keith Gregor, BA health promotions, 1996

Levertis Robinson, BS criminology, 1997

Rodrick Monroe, BS criminal justice, 1997

Terry Nelson, BA liberal arts/social sciences, 1998

Terrence Davis, BS criminal justice, 1998

Jackson Julson, BA communications, 1999

Keith LeGree, BS criminal justice, 1999

Ryan Fletcher, BS criminal justice, 2000

Rodney Crawford, BS criminal justice, 2002

Leonard Stokes, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2002

Jimmy Hubbard, BS criminal justice, 2002; MA labor and employee relations, 2003

Donald Little, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2002

Rod Flowers, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2003

Derek Hollman, BS criminal justice, 2003

Taron Barker, BS criminal justice, 2003

Field Williams, BS criminal justice, 2004

Jason Maxiell, BS psychology, 2005

John Meeker, BA business marketing, 2005

Jamaal Lucas, BA liberal arts/social sciences, 2005

[michigancat]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

Because they're stupid, that's why.

Is Texas Tech regretting the Knight hire?

Even with the way it's ended, does OSU regret hiring Sutton?

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

Bobby Knight isn't winning the same way he did in Indiana, and more importantly, Knight hasn't been as violent as he had at Indiana, and they certainly tolerated it a lot more than Tech does.

No, but Sutton is retiring anyway, and stopped coaching when he had a relapse.  So it's not going to matter.

Huggins won't get a long leash even if he's hired, and there are KSU Alumni out there with some pull who will make it clear, they'll want a clean guy.

Yeah, Knight isn't winning like he used to, but do they regret his hiring, which instantly brought them multiple ESPN appearances, and just created a weekly Texas Tech infomercial on ESPN?

Huggins is no worse than 80% of coaches in the country.

So now it's about appearing on ESPN?  I thought you guys wanted to win ball games?

Does appearing on ESPN/increasing exposure help recruiting, which in turn helps you win games?  Yes.


Love,

Ron Prince

[michigancat]

Rusty, you seem to regard TV appearances pretty heavily. More heavily than what they're actually saying about us around the nation if we have a coach with baggage? I'm not pulling one way or the other here, just playing devil's advocate.

They'll say, "Wow.  Those guys are committed to winning at Men's Basketball.  What a great hire...very similar to OSU hiring Eddie Sutton in 1990."

Some more information here, relates to the original post. I find it somewhat humorous what the majority of these majors are.

BEARCAT GRADUATES

Critics have dogged Huggins' graduation rate during his UC tenure. Here are the 27 players who played for Huggins who have earned degrees from UC.

Steve Sanders, BA communication arts, 1990

Anthony Buford, BA economics, 1992

Benjamin Ward, BS criminal justice, 1992

Michael Reicheneker, BS criminal justice, 1992

Andre Tate, BS criminal justice, 1992

Keith Starks, BS criminal justice, 1992

Jeff Scott, BS sociology, 1993

Erik Martin, BS criminal justice, 1993

Keith Gregor, BA health promotions, 1996

Levertis Robinson, BS criminology, 1997

Rodrick Monroe, BS criminal justice, 1997

Terry Nelson, BA liberal arts/social sciences, 1998

Terrence Davis, BS criminal justice, 1998

Jackson Julson, BA communications, 1999

Keith LeGree, BS criminal justice, 1999

Ryan Fletcher, BS criminal justice, 2000

Rodney Crawford, BS criminal justice, 2002

Leonard Stokes, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2002

Jimmy Hubbard, BS criminal justice, 2002; MA labor and employee relations, 2003

Donald Little, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2002

Rod Flowers, BS liberal arts/social sciences, 2003

Derek Hollman, BS criminal justice, 2003

Taron Barker, BS criminal justice, 2003

Field Williams, BS criminal justice, 2004

Jason Maxiell, BS psychology, 2005

John Meeker, BA business marketing, 2005

Jamaal Lucas, BA liberal arts/social sciences, 2005

That is interesting.

Could you do the KSU football team next?

[fatty fat fat]

Yeah, because Bill Snyder REALLY helped the academic perception of KSU. 

But do we give a damn? no.

If you would have asked MU/ku fans if they'd take Bill Snyder during his run, most would say no because he "does things the wrong way"

You all are sounding like that regarding Huggins. Wake up.

[michigancat]

Yeah, because Bill Snyder REALLY helped the academic perception of KSU. 

But do we give a damn? no.

If you would have asked MU/ku fans if they'd take Bill Snyder during his run, most would say no because he "does things the wrong way"

You all are sounding like that regarding Huggins. Wake up.

Just so you know, what you just did is akin to printing a cartoon of the prophet.

Watch out.

[mjrod]

Does appearing on ESPN/increasing exposure help recruiting, which in turn helps you win games?  Yes.

Love,

Ron Prince

ESPN isn't covering the Spring Game.  - Tim Weiser.

I guess we'll just continue to suck in football AND basketball, even though we did pretty well without ESPN in Football, and in basketball before then.

[mjrod]

Rusty, you seem to regard TV appearances pretty heavily. More heavily than what they're actually saying about us around the nation if we have a coach with baggage? I'm not pulling one way or the other here, just playing devil's advocate.

They'll say, "Wow.  Those guys are committed to winning at Men's Basketball.  What a great hire...very similar to OSU hiring Eddie Sutton in 1990."

A lot of crap teams also appear on ESPN.   I don't see them saying the same thing.

[mjrod]

Yeah, because Bill Snyder REALLY helped the academic perception of KSU. 

But do we give a damn? no.

If you would have asked MU/ku fans if they'd take Bill Snyder during his run, most would say no because he "does things the wrong way"

You all are sounding like that regarding Huggins. Wake up.

Yeah, like we need to get approval from ku and MU fans when Snyder was 25-1 against them in the last 13 years.

Good job, retard.

[fatty fat fat]

Yeah, because Bill Snyder REALLY helped the academic perception of KSU. 

But do we give a damn? no.

If you would have asked MU/ku fans if they'd take Bill Snyder during his run, most would say no because he "does things the wrong way"

You all are sounding like that regarding Huggins. Wake up.

Yeah, like we need to get approval from ku and MU fans when Snyder was 25-1 against them in the last 13 years.

Good job, retard.

You missed the point.

From someone who still doesn't know who Bob Huggins is, this doesn't surprise me.

[michigancat]

Rusty, you seem to regard TV appearances pretty heavily. More heavily than what they're actually saying about us around the nation if we have a coach with baggage? I'm not pulling one way or the other here, just playing devil's advocate.

They'll say, "Wow.  Those guys are committed to winning at Men's Basketball.  What a great hire...very similar to OSU hiring Eddie Sutton in 1990."

A lot of S**T teams also appear on ESPN.   I don't see them saying the same thing.

Such as?

Does appearing on ESPN/increasing exposure help recruiting, which in turn helps you win games? Yes.

Love,

Ron Prince

ESPN isn't covering the Spring Game. - Tim Weiser.

I guess we'll just continue to suck in football AND basketball, even though we did pretty well without ESPN in Football, and in basketball before then.

Are you saying television exposure doesn't help a team recruit/win?  No one is saying television appearances are required for success, but to say they don't help is borderline retarded.

[mjrod]

Yeah, because Bill Snyder REALLY helped the academic perception of KSU. 

But do we give a damn? no.

If you would have asked MU/ku fans if they'd take Bill Snyder during his run, most would say no because he "does things the wrong way"

You all are sounding like that regarding Huggins. Wake up.

Yeah, like we need to get approval from ku and MU fans when Snyder was 25-1 against them in the last 13 years.

Good job, retard.

You missed the point.

From someone who still doesn't know who Bob Huggins is, this doesn't surprise me.

No the point is clear.   They didn't like Snyder because he killed them.  They'd have taken him in a heartbeat and you know it.

[fatty fat fat]

No, they said "We don't accept that kind of standards at MU/ku"

"His ways wouldn't work here"


It's the same with Huggins.

[mjrod]

No, they said "We don't accept that kind of standards at MU/ku"

"His ways wouldn't work here"


It's the same with Huggins.

What kind of standards did ku/MU have they wouldn't have wanted Snyder for?   Refresh my memory.

[ksu_FAN]

Don't know about our football.  Got it from the link to the article that's been going around highlighting the arrests/charges of Cinci players.  Its way at the bottom.  From the Cinci Enquirer I think.

[mjrod]

Rusty, you seem to regard TV appearances pretty heavily. More heavily than what they're actually saying about us around the nation if we have a coach with baggage? I'm not pulling one way or the other here, just playing devil's advocate.

They'll say, "Wow.  Those guys are committed to winning at Men's Basketball.  What a great hire...very similar to OSU hiring Eddie Sutton in 1990."

A lot of S**T teams also appear on ESPN.   I don't see them saying the same thing.

Such as?

Does appearing on ESPN/increasing exposure help recruiting, which in turn helps you win games? Yes.

Love,

Ron Prince

ESPN isn't covering the Spring Game. - Tim Weiser.

I guess we'll just continue to suck in football AND basketball, even though we did pretty well without ESPN in Football, and in basketball before then.

Are you saying television exposure doesn't help a team recruit/win?  No one is saying television appearances are required for success, but to say they don't help is borderline retarded.

Take a step back for a moment.   We hire Bob Huggins at KSU.  Does that mean KSU will get on TV immediately?   Does that mean people will say "KSU is trying to build a  winning program at a school just because we hire Huggins?"    You could say that, and the perception would ring true.   But in order for Huggins to gain that additional exposure, KSU would have to win.   We could win more games, but we might not win LOTS more games, or instead, we'll be in the news about something else.   But what does that say about our image as a school if we hire someone of questionable character?   Cincy had ALL of that when he was there, and they still let him go because he didn't project the IMAGE that CINCY wanted for an ACADEMIC school.  Do you think Wefald wants a guy who's just interested in winning or interested in winning AND make KSU look good?

crap program, like Texas Tech hired Bobby Knight.   He's a coaching legend and that's what is putting Tech in the limelight, but he's not exactly marching into the title games anywhere.   We still have to win.  I'd take Huggins BUT ONLY if Huggins understood the University's committment to academics and image.   Knight understood academics, he was just an asshole.   Huggins doesn't understand academics and the committment.  And a DUI means he's got some judgement issues to deal with.   KSU won't look at him.

[fatty fat fat]

What do you think Snyder did for the Academic perception of KSU?

[Dan Rydell]

 

[mjrod]

What do you think Snyder did for the Academic perception of KSU?

Go ahead fatty, what is the perception vs. reality?

[ksu_FAN]

K-State FB numbers, FYI.

Year and 4-class ave.
98-99 - 71%, 56%
97-98 - 64%, 61%
96-97 - 65%, 57%
95-96 - 44%, 51%
94-95 - 77%, 47%
93-94 - 47%, 44%

[michigancat]

Take a step back for a moment.   We hire Bob Huggins at KSU.  Does that mean KSU will get on TV immediately?   Does that mean people will say "KSU is trying to build a  winning program at a school just because we hire Huggins?"

   

Yes.

But in order for Huggins to gain that additional exposure, KSU would have to win.

Based on Huggins track record, that would happen in a big way immediately.

But what does that say about our image as a school if we hire someone of questionable character?   Cincy had ALL of that when he was there, and they still let him go because he didn't project the IMAGE that CINCY wanted for an ACADEMIC school. 

It doesn't matter.  Snyder already had us tabbed "Juco U".  How could our freaking academic reputation get any worse?  Do you honestly think of Cincinnati as a fine Academic Institution now that they're rid of Huggins?

Do you think Wefald wants a guy who's just interested in winning or interested in winning AND make KSU look good?

I don't Wefald invloved with hiring basketball coaches at all.

S**T program, like Texas Tech hired Bobby Knight.   He's a coaching legend and that's what is putting Tech in the limelight, but he's not exactly marching into the title games anywhere.

   
I would LOVE to be in the position Tech is in right now.

Huggins doesn't understand academics and the committment.

HTF do you know that?  BTW, 11 of his last 17 seniors graduated. 

 

KSU won't look at him.

Stupid.

[Cat Maniac]

The rules have changed regarding graduation rates.  Do you think Huggins is incapable of changing with them?

There once was no penalty for recruiting basketball players as mercenaries.  Was this the only reason Huggins was successful at Cincinnati?  Or maybe he was a damn successful and intelligent coach, who simply didn't focus on the "student athlete" angle as much as he should have, or (get this) could have!  Or maybe it was that academic bastion at the University of Cincinnati that didn't regard its athletes as students, regardless of what Huggins might have supported?

Why do you think that with the new rules in place, and with the educational support that KSU athletics currently has for its students, that Huggins will be incapable of elevating his graduation rates if he came here?  Can a tiger change his stripes?  After all, Knight stopped physically confronting referees, employees, players and chairs, didn't he?  Sutton was off the sauce for a while (enough to make OSU a basketball power).

Is it a non-starter to even consider?

[kougar24]

It's futile to hope Wefald won't have a say in this hiring, or any hiring of a football or basketball coach as long as he's there. To an extent, of course he should have veto power. It's his university. That's like saying the president of a company shouldn't have any say in the hiring of his CEO.

Now before you get all pissy, I agree that Wefald overstepped his bounds last year when he cut Weiser's legs completely from under him.

[mjrod]

Take a step back for a moment.   We hire Bob Huggins at KSU.  Does that mean KSU will get on TV immediately?   Does that mean people will say "KSU is trying to build a  winning program at a school just because we hire Huggins?"

   

Yes.

Prove it.

But in order for Huggins to gain that additional exposure, KSU would have to win.

Based on Huggins track record, that would happen in a big way immediately.

It worked at Cincinnati.  It might not work here.  Every coach you hire has the same chance to fail as they do to succeed.   You cannot guarantee that.  Odds favor you, but even those aren't insurmountable.

But what does that say about our image as a school if we hire someone of questionable character?   Cincy had ALL of that when he was there, and they still let him go because he didn't project the IMAGE that CINCY wanted for an ACADEMIC school. 

It doesn't matter.  Snyder already had us tabbed "Juco U".  How could our freaking academic reputation get any worse?  Do you honestly think of Cincinnati as a fine Academic Institution now that they're rid of Huggins?

I don't have to think Cincinnati is or isn't.  The administration, and the people of Ohio have to think that way.   They didn't consult anyone else when they fired him.   He knew what it was supposed to be, and either didn't accept it, or did something to affect the image.   Despite your attempt to minimize it, Universities have images they feel they must protect.

As far as Snyder and JucoU, you accept what other people say about KSU, and I say, who cares?  It's not the truth.  KSU is a great institution of learning and the academic successes of the university speak for itself.   Since I didn't go to KSU on an athletic scholarship, it's important to me and many alumni that the institution itself maintain it's focus on it's academic programs that make successful people.   If you think I give a rats ass about what anyone else thinks about KSU being a Juco U, you'd find most people have little room to talk.    Ask Nebraska.

Do you think Wefald wants a guy who's just interested in winning or interested in winning AND make KSU look good?

I don't Wefald invloved with hiring basketball coaches at all.

Sorry, that's not how the process works.   Wefald does and will have a say.

S**T program, like Texas Tech hired Bobby Knight.   He's a coaching legend and that's what is putting Tech in the limelight, but he's not exactly marching into the title games anywhere.

   
I would LOVE to be in the position Tech is in right now.

Good for you.  But it hasn't helped them much, other than to get more exposure, which hasnt' exactly translated into trophies or championships.  At least at Indiana, he had that.  He got fired because of image.  Image doesn't hurt Texas Tech because those bastards already are known as thugs.

Huggins doesn't understand academics and the committment.

HTF do you know that?  BTW, 11 of his last 17 seniors graduated. 

Because if you look at what the University President said, they were a university that wanted an image that focused on academics.   His last 11 of 17 seniors graduated is not his entire record, and the record speaks for itself overall.  If he makes the committment to academics, then why didn't he do so at Cincinnati?

KSU won't look at him.

Stupid.

Yes, I would agree with you that Huggins should get an interview.   There is no doubt that he could become a coach that would be good for KSU.  But it's not all about wins, and you seem to skip over the fact that other coaches might be able to do what he does to win AND are already committed to the academic image of the university.

[mjrod]

The rules have changed regarding graduation rates.  Do you think Huggins is incapable of changing with them?

There once was no penalty for recruiting basketball players as mercenaries.  Was this the only reason Huggins was successful at Cincinnati?  Or maybe he was a damn successful and intelligent coach, who simply didn't focus on the "student athlete" angle as much as he should have, or (get this) could have!  Or maybe it was that academic bastion at the University of Cincinnati that didn't regard its athletes as students, regardless of what Huggins might have supported?

Why do you think that with the new rules in place, and with the educational support that KSU athletics currently has for its students, that Huggins will be incapable of elevating his graduation rates if he came here?  Can a tiger change his stripes?  After all, Knight stopped physically confronting referees, employees, players and chairs, didn't he?  Sutton was off the sauce for a while (enough to make OSU a basketball power).

Is it a non-starter to even consider?

I've never said that Huggins couldn't change with the system.  But he had a chance at Cincy to prove it in all his years, and he didn't   That makes him behind the power curve.   Weiser will not consider him because of that and other personal issues.   He also has to be a good fit to get here.  It's not like he stands in a line of unemployed coaches and the first school to call gets the first one in line.   The school and the coach have to believe it's a good fit.  Otherwise, he won't get hired. 

There are plenty of other coaches who could do quite well here in all areas to make KSU respected in basketball and in academics.