FYI

[ksu_FAN]

Huggins Grad rates:

05 Report: 98-99 class - 33%, 4-class ave. - 40%
04 Report: 97-98 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 25%
03 Report: Took the "Ferpa won't allow us to report" route.
02 Report: 95-96 class - 100%, 4-class ave. - 17%
01 Report: 94-95 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%
00 Report: 93-94 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%

[fatty fat fat]

big &@#%ing deal.

[ksu_FAN]

Fatty, it makes a bit of a difference with the new NCAA rules.  We can lose scholarships and worse if we don't show progress graduating players.

Plus, I don't think that is a complete knock.  It shows the rates were actually improving a bit his last few years.

This is not to say don't hire or hire for sure, just some facts about those rates since they've never been posted.

[michigancat]

The reality is that most of the players who entered Huggins program were significantly better off for having done so. Many -- including 11 of the last 17 seniors who played for him -- left with degrees they might not have dreamed of attaining otherwise. Nearly all left as significantly better players. Some became extremely wealthy competing in the NBA or European leagues.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=11131


Huggins can graduate players if he has to, hence the change late in his tenure at Cincy.

[fatty fat fat]

notice it's the hard-core woolites (nation, zcatmandu, chitowncat, wichitacat) that don't want huggins.

[sonofdaxjones]

With the new NCAA rules, it will be harder to have a low graduation rate.   The biggest thing is, we need to have kids at least leave KSU in good academic standing.  But if they're not going to the NBA (and I want to have a ton of those) then I would like to see them graduate.

As long as Huggins does everything he can to see that-that happens ... I've got no problem with him.

[michigancat]

Huggins Grad rates:

05 Report: 98-99 class - 33%, 4-class ave. - 40%
04 Report: 97-98 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 25%
03 Report: Took the "Ferpa won't allow us to report" route.
02 Report: 95-96 class - 100%, 4-class ave. - 17%
01 Report: 94-95 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%
00 Report: 93-94 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%

Where did you get this?

I'd like to make some comparisons.

[sys]

notice it's the hard-core woolites (nation, zcatmandu, chitowncat, wichitacat) that don't want huggins.

not completely true... i was a hard core woolite until it became obvious that it was mathematically impossible (ok, technically statistically completely improbable) that wooldridge would be retained.  and i'm all for huggins.

[ksu_FAN]

http://www.ncaa.org/grad_rates/

Last year's report and archives going back several years.  

[mjrod]

KSU will not consider Huggins at all.

[fatty fat fat]

KSU will not consider Huggins at all.

You don't know.

[michigancat]

Huggins Grad rates:

05 Report: 98-99 class - 33%, 4-class ave. - 40%
04 Report: 97-98 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 25%
03 Report: Took the "Ferpa won't allow us to report" route.
02 Report: 95-96 class - 100%, 4-class ave. - 17%
01 Report: 94-95 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%
00 Report: 93-94 class - 0%, 4-class ave. - 8%

"Good guy" Eddie Sutton's numbers at OSU:

05:  98-99 class - 100%, 4 class avg. - 25%
04:  97-98 class - 0%, 4 class avg. - 9%
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02:  95-96 class - 100%, 4 class avg - 43%
01:  94-95 class - 0%, 4 class avg - 9%
00:  93-94 class - 33%, 4 class avg - 18%

Please pass this info along.

[sys]

graduating players is fool's gold.

[ksu_FAN]

K-State's numbers, FWIW.

Year class, 4-class ave.
98-99 0%, 33%
97-98 0%, 44%
96-97 Ferpa, 50%
95-96 50%, 43%
94-95 33%, 43%
93-94 NA, 60%

Doesn't give the whole picture on Wooly's numbers, just as the other doesn't/won't show Huggins final picture until a couple more years.  Granted, some distortion b/c some of his kids left.  Stats are stats.

[Dan Rydell]

Granted, some distortion b/c some of his kids left.

There's always distortion.  Huggins' are distorted b/c of NBA and other pro players.  Majerus' are distorted b/c of Mormons who went on missions and took 6 years to graduate before they went to med school.  Yet, according to the NCAA, they didn't graduate.

DeCourcy was the guy on the Border Patrol this morning that brought Huggy up, I think.

[mjrod]

KSU will not consider Huggins at all.

You don't know.

Yes I do.   We will not hire a coach with an image problem.   You're just fooling yourselves if you think he will be considered.

[Dan Rydell]

Yes I do.   We will not hire a coach with an image problem.   You're just fooling yourselves if you think he will be considered.

Then Tim Weiser should be fired. 

[mjrod]

Yes I do.   We will not hire a coach with an image problem.   You're just fooling yourselves if you think he will be considered.

Then Tim Weiser should be fired. 

Wefald will be the one making the say.   You don't want a guy with personal baggage.   If you do, you're assuming that you can't win without it, and that's not the case.

[Dan Rydell]

Fine.  Then he'd better hire Fox.

[mjrod]

Why Fox?  Are you saying you'd only be happy with who you want?

[fatty fat fat]

KSU will not consider Huggins at all.

You don't know.

Yes I do.   We will not hire a coach with an image problem.   You're just fooling yourselves if you think he will be considered.

No, you don't.

[Dan Rydell]

Why Fox?  Are you saying you'd only be happy with who you want?

How many times are you happy with something you don't want?

 

[michigancat]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

[mjrod]

KSU will not consider Huggins at all.

You don't know.

Yes I do.   We will not hire a coach with an image problem.   You're just fooling yourselves if you think he will be considered.

No, you don't.

Yes, I do.

[mjrod]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

[mjrod]

Why Fox?  Are you saying you'd only be happy with who you want?

How many times are you happy with something you don't want?

 

If wins only matter, then it doesn't matter who's at the helm, so long as they win.  If the screw up and make the university look bad, does that mean they get a pass simply because they are winning?

[michigancat]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

Because they're stupid, that's why.

Is Texas Tech regretting the Knight hire?

Even with the way it's ended, does OSU regret hiring Sutton?

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

[mjrod]

"You don't want a guy with personal baggage." - Steve Miller, 1990

Wefald needs to stay the f away from basketball hires, and Weiser needs to step up and hire Huggins.

If image is the most important criterion, we should honestly keep Wooldridge.

Personal Baggage reflects on the University.  Why did Cincinnati cut Huggins?

Because they're stupid, that's why.

Is Texas Tech regretting the Knight hire?

Even with the way it's ended, does OSU regret hiring Sutton?

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

Bobby Knight isn't winning the same way he did in Indiana, and more importantly, Knight hasn't been as violent as he had at Indiana, and they certainly tolerated it a lot more than Tech does.

No, but Sutton is retiring anyway, and stopped coaching when he had a relapse.  So it's not going to matter.

Huggins won't get a long leash even if he's hired, and there are KSU Alumni out there with some pull who will make it clear, they'll want a clean guy.

[Dan Rydell]

I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".

Tech is guaranteed Big Monday every year that Bobby stays there.  One ku game a year is probably also guaranteed.  Probably one more, as well...Texas, OSU, or OU.  That's 3 more Big Monday games than we got this year.

[fatty fat fat]

Why Fox?  Are you saying you'd only be happy with who you want?

How many times are you happy with something you don't want?

 

If wins only matter, then it doesn't matter who's at the helm, so long as they win.  If the screw up and make the university look bad, does that mean they get a pass simply because they are winning?

You didn't even know who Bob Huggins was two weeks ago.

Fatass.