The excitement is building for the 2009 Pre-Season Big 12 North Champions . .

[BMWJhawk]

Another promising year . . . and Lew Perkins has to embark on yet another high dollar, viral ticket campaign to try and get tickets moving.

Only 51,000 seats to fill . . . 28,000 students, mere minutes from KC, 100,000 plus alumni within 2 hours . . . thousands of tickets of still available for the 2009 Big 12 North Preseason Champions.  

Don't worry about ku.  Worry about the fact that K-State ticket sales have been decreasing for five straight years, and that your AD is so desperate, they're selling single game tickets for $9 a pop.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  K-State football... fighting for 5th place in the North.  Come get your tickets while they're hot!

[Guscat]

Another promising year . . . and Lew Perkins has to embark on yet another high dollar, viral ticket campaign to try and get tickets moving.

Only 51,000 seats to fill . . . 28,000 students, mere minutes from KC, 100,000 plus alumni within 2 hours . . . thousands of tickets of still available for the 2009 Big 12 North Preseason Champions.  

Not to mention the intense internet marketing campaign (ever wonder about all those Jayhawk ads when viewing KC Star and Wichita Eagle online?).  Those ku guys are marketing fools, and you know they are successful.  Their own students and alumni believe ku to be an elite school!  How good a marketing campaign does that?  I'm jealous, because persuading a people that a mediocre school like ku is elite is quite a trick.

[MadCat]

Another promising year . . . and Lew Perkins has to embark on yet another high dollar, viral ticket campaign to try and get tickets moving.

Only 51,000 seats to fill . . . 28,000 students, mere minutes from KC, 100,000 plus alumni within 2 hours . . . thousands of tickets of still available for the 2009 Big 12 North Preseason Champions.  

Don't worry about ku.  Worry about the fact that K-State ticket sales have been decreasing for five straight years, and that your AD is so desperate, they're selling single game tickets for $9 a pop.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  K-State football... fighting for 5th place in the North.  Come get your tickets while they're hot!

The check is in the mail.  

[Guscat]

Thank God you think Phil Steele is an idiot, otherwise you might have to entertain the prospect that ku will finish behind the Wildcats in the Big 12 North.  You can trust I'll have a hardy laugh in December if that plays itself out.

[fatty fat fat]

at least our cheapies sold out in a mere hours.

[sonofdaxjones]

Another promising year . . . and Lew Perkins has to embark on yet another high dollar, viral ticket campaign to try and get tickets moving.

Only 51,000 seats to fill . . . 28,000 students, mere minutes from KC, 100,000 plus alumni within 2 hours . . . thousands of tickets of still available for the 2009 Big 12 North Preseason Champions.  

Don't worry about ku.  Worry about the fact that K-State ticket sales have been decreasing for five straight years, and that your AD is so desperate, they're selling single game tickets for $9 a pop.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  K-State football... fighting for 5th place in the North.  Come get your tickets while they're hot!

The worst seats in the stadium sold for $9 dollars, as opposed to handing out thousands of "complimentary" tickets?  Season ticket sales at K-State declined 11% over 5 years, that's a loss of 600 season tickets a year . . .that's hardly earth shattering.    

This isn't about K-State Ben, this is about ku supposedly on the verge of making history, and yet the AD has got to embark on a massive advertising campaign to try and get tickets moving.  

[BMWJhawk]

Thank God you think Phil Steele is an idiot, otherwise you might have to entertain the prospect that ku will finish behind the Wildcats in the Big 12 North.  You can trust I'll have a hardy laugh in December if that plays itself out.

I witnessed 52-21 in person and saw the 31-0 score at halftime.  ku has more talent and the best QB in the North.  Cling to Phil Steele's nut sack as long as you can, because when ku plays K-State in Manhattan it's going to get ugly. 

[fatty fat fat]

our team had quit by 52-21. bottom line is ku was a 7-5 team last year, ksu was 5-7.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah Ben, and it being 31 to nothing at half had nothing to do with idiot decisions made by Prince during the game, and K-State not playing 1 iota's worth of field position football.  

Sometimes I wonder if you know anything about the game at all.

But what that has to do with the fact that ku ad must engage in a massive media and advertising campaign (as per usual) to try and move tickets for the 2009 Big 12 North Pre-Season Champions I'll never know.

[BMWJhawk]

Another promising year . . . and Lew Perkins has to embark on yet another high dollar, viral ticket campaign to try and get tickets moving.

Only 51,000 seats to fill . . . 28,000 students, mere minutes from KC, 100,000 plus alumni within 2 hours . . . thousands of tickets of still available for the 2009 Big 12 North Preseason Champions.  

Don't worry about ku.  Worry about the fact that K-State ticket sales have been decreasing for five straight years, and that your AD is so desperate, they're selling single game tickets for $9 a pop.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.  K-State football... fighting for 5th place in the North.  Come get your tickets while they're hot!

The worst seats in the stadium sold for $9 dollars, as opposed to handing out thousands of "complimentary" tickets?  Season ticket sales at K-State declined 11% over 5 years, that's a loss of 600 season tickets a year . . .that's hardly earth shattering.    

This isn't about K-State Ben, this is about ku supposedly on the verge of making history, and yet the AD has got to embark on a massive advertising campaign to try and get tickets moving.  

1.  The "complimentary" tickets are only applicable to ku students.  Not everyone can use them.  LOL @ selling tickets for $9 a pop.  That just reeks of desperation.

2.  K-State's ticket sales have been decreasing five straight years, while ku just keeps breaking attendance records.  Every game at ku next season will be a sellout.  

3.  Concern noted.

[BMWJhawk]

Yeah Ben, and it being 31 to nothing at half had nothing to do with idiot decisions made by Prince during the game, and K-State not playing 1 iota's worth of field position football.  

Sometimes I wonder if you know anything about the game at all.

But what that has to do with the fact that ku ad must engage in a massive media and advertising campaign (as per usual) to try and move tickets for the 2009 Big 12 North Pre-Season Champions I'll never know.

It could have been a lot worse than 52-21.  Your team sucks.  You have no good players on offense aside from Brandon Banks.  Your o-line/d-line are a joke.  Blame coaching all you want, but the bottom line is that ku absolutely kicked the sh*t out of K-State last season.  ku will be even better next year, while K-State loses a top 20 NFL Draft pick at QB, Ian Campbell, Deon Murphy, etc, etc.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah Ben, and it being 31 to nothing at half had nothing to do with idiot decisions made by Prince during the game, and K-State not playing 1 iota's worth of field position football.  

Sometimes I wonder if you know anything about the game at all.

But what that has to do with the fact that ku ad must engage in a massive media and advertising campaign (as per usual) to try and move tickets for the 2009 Big 12 North Pre-Season Champions I'll never know.

It could have been a lot worse than 52-21.  Your team sucks.  You have no good players on offense aside from Brandon Banks.  Your o-line/d-line are a joke.  Blame coaching all you want, but the bottom line is that ku absolutely kicked the sh*t out of K-State last season.  ku will be even better next year, while K-State loses a top 20 NFL Draft pick at QB, Ian Campbell, Deon Murphy, etc, etc.

Who here said that ku didn't kick the $hit out of K-State?

But thanks for making my point, ku fans should be all gigged, ku beat K-State, ku beat mu, ku went 8-5 and hung with ou for awhile . . . ku fans have declared ku Pre-Season Big 12 North Champions, ku has already beat the $hit out of NU and OU in Lawrence, and won the game against MU in KC . . . why are there still 1000's of tickets still available . . . why does the ku ad need to spend all that money on advertising to get tickets moving to fill a 51,000 seat stadium??

Apathy about how great ku football is setting in already??

[fatty fat fat]

i don't see how ku will be better.

[BMWJhawk]

ku doesn't have 51,000 season ticket holders.  Thanks to K-State, ku has competition for ticket sales, unlike schools such as Mizzou and Nebraska.  Hopefully K-State will continue its descent into 1980's status and ku will continue winning over the bandwagon in-state fans.  Another ass whooping in Manhattan next season would really get the ball rolling.

[sonofdaxjones]

ku doesn't have 51,000 season ticket holders.  Thanks to K-State, ku has competition for ticket sales, unlike schools such as Mizzou and Nebraska.  Hopefully K-State will continue its descent into 1980's status and ku will continue winning over the bandwagon in-state fans.  Another ass whooping in Manhattan next season would really get the ball rolling.

But K-State isn't ku's rival right??  So why is beating K-State so important?? 

Plus I am not saying ku should have 51,000 season ticket holders, but given the amount of money Lew is clearly spending, its quite apparent there are literally thousands of season tickets still available.   

Wow, what apathy. 

[BMWJhawk]

i don't see how ku will be better.

Why, because they have to replace Holt, Rivera, and Mort?  News flash: none of those guys were NFL draft picks.  Holt was essentially a strong safety.  Mort and Rivera played banged up all year and were horrible in pass coverage.  The '08 class was Mangino's best recruiting class until the '09 class came along.  This is the most depth and quality talent that Mangino has had since he's been here.  

[DrJamesANaismith]

Why, because they have to replace Holt, Rivera, and Mort?  News flash: none of those guys were NFL draft picks.  Holt was essentially a strong safety.  Mort and Rivera played banged up all year and were horrible in pass coverage.  The '08 class was Mangino's best recruiting class until the '09 class came along.  This is the most depth and quality talent that Mangino has had since he's been here.  

this guy .... knows what he's talking about. You'd all be wise to learn from him.

This has been a public service announcement.

[fatty fat fat]

i don't see how ku will be better.

Why, because they have to replace Holt, Rivera, and Mort?  News flash: none of those guys were NFL draft picks.  Holt was essentially a strong safety.  Mort and Rivera played banged up all year and were horrible in pass coverage.  The '08 class was Mangino's best recruiting class until the '09 class came along.  This is the most depth and quality talent that Mangino has had since he's been here.  

Newsflash: you can't pick and choose your arguments. one year you are telling us mcanderson and james mcclinton were studs despite the fact the NFL didn't touch em, now it's the opposite? the nfl knows all?

[sonofdaxjones]

I get it . . . so ku will improve massively, but K-State has no prayer in the future despite the fact that the players will be getting vastly superior coaching, and K-State will at least recruit major D1 major conference talent . . . check got it.  

As I've been saying, ku still hasn't recruited well enough and brought in enough difference makers for there to be as big a gap between ku and k-state as squawk fans want to make themselves believe.  

But this doesn't have anything to do with the apathy and lack of ticket sales that have clearly set in over in Lawrence . . . who knew such relatively short term success would spoil a fanbase so much.    

As per usual Ben tries everything he can to change the subject . . . sad.

[BMWJhawk]

ku doesn't have 51,000 season ticket holders.  Thanks to K-State, ku has competition for ticket sales, unlike schools such as Mizzou and Nebraska.  Hopefully K-State will continue its descent into 1980's status and ku will continue winning over the bandwagon in-state fans.  Another ass whooping in Manhattan next season would really get the ball rolling.

But K-State isn't ku's rival right??  So why is beating K-State so important?? 

Plus I am not saying ku should have 51,000 season ticket holders, but given the amount of money Lew is clearly spending, its quite apparent there are literally thousands of season tickets still available.   

Wow, what apathy. 

ku and K-State aren't rivals?  WTF are you talking about?  As far as "apathy" goes, like I said, every game should be a sellout.  Move along now, 'Pad.


 

[BMWJhawk]

i don't see how ku will be better.

Why, because they have to replace Holt, Rivera, and Mort?  News flash: none of those guys were NFL draft picks.  Holt was essentially a strong safety.  Mort and Rivera played banged up all year and were horrible in pass coverage.  The '08 class was Mangino's best recruiting class until the '09 class came along.  This is the most depth and quality talent that Mangino has had since he's been here.  

Newsflash: you can't pick and choose your arguments. one year you are telling us mcanderson and james mcclinton were studs despite the fact the NFL didn't touch em, now it's the opposite? the nfl knows all?

James McClinton was Big 12 DPOY and a 2nd-team AA.  McAnderson was a 1,000+ yard rusher.  Rivera and Mort were solid in run defense, but were not very good at pass coverage.  Holt was a converted strong safety.  I'm just saying, it's not like they're impossible to replace.  ku has Arist Wright and Justin Springer coming back who are both solid.  Vernon Brooks, a Juco AA LB, had offers to Oklahoma and Tennessee.  Angus Quigley and Steven Johnson are both in the 6'3 240 mold and can really cover some ground.  Aside from that, the secondary returns everyone and adds depth.  The d-line returns everyone and adds depth.  ku will play more of a 4-2-5 defense anyways, so additional speed and pass coverage ability at LB should only help ku's cause defensively.

[sonofdaxjones]

Isn't that what most ku fans say . . . "K-State isn't our rival"??  

Every game might be a sellout, but its pretty apparent that the ku ad has to spend copious dollars on advertising to make that happen . . . apparently it takes a lot of prodding to get ku fans to move.  Just over a month before the season, the history making season, and thousands of tickets are still available throughout Memorial Stadium . . . I guess tickets for the Pre-Season Big 12 North Champions aren't as hot of a commodity as I thought they'd be.

FFF . . . come on, Ben is our resident Sybil, the argument is going to change by the minute.

[DrJamesANaismith]

Does the "apathy and lack of ticket sales" mystique come from your ability to request tickets online Daxitive?

**** 1,000 scout points to the poster that can straighten Pad out here and point him in the right direction ****

[sonofdaxjones]

Does the "apathy and lack of ticket sales" mystique come from your ability to request tickets online Daxitive?

**** 1,000 scout points to the poster that can straighten Pad out here and point him in the right direction ****

So when the ku ticket system assigns actual seats, and says they are "reserving" them, it's telling a lie??   When it says "We are RESERVING the best seats possible" . . . they aren't reserving those seats??  

So the ku ticket system says tickets are available . . . but they're really not available??  Fascinating.

Only Tardville could come up with that . . . LOL.

When the ku ticket system says "We are holding your reservation for X minutes" (or something like that). . . they're not really holding any reservations at all??

Great stuff Doc . . . seriously excellent.   

[BamBam83]

Mr. Guaranteed 2,000+ Yards Crawford is so excited that he is leaving the program!

[jeffy]

Good thing Ben didn't start this thread, otherwise it would be a major candidate for deletion. 

[jeffy]

Does the "apathy and lack of ticket sales" mystique come from your ability to request tickets online Daxitive?

**** 1,000 scout points to the poster that can straighten Pad out here and point him in the right direction ****

So when the ku ticket system assigns actual seats, and says they are "reserving" them, it's telling a lie??   When it says "We are RESERVING the best seats possible" . . . they aren't reserving those seats??  

So the ku ticket system says tickets are available . . . but they're really not available??  Fascinating.

Only Tardville could come up with that . . . LOL.

When the ku ticket system says "We are holding your reservation for X minutes" (or something like that). . . they're not really holding any reservations at all??

Great stuff Doc . . . seriously excellent.   

Just don't accidentally click ACCEPT when you do that, Dax.  (unless you have a secret buyout with Krause)

[BMWJhawk]

Mr. Guaranteed 2,000+ Yards Crawford is so excited that he is leaving the program!

The fact that a 3rd string running back is still in your head pretty much says it all. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Mr. Guaranteed 2,000+ Yards Crawford is so excited that he is leaving the program!

The fact that a 3rd string running back is still in your head pretty much says it all. 

It's good to keep an eye on felons.

[JTKSU]

Mr. Guaranteed 2,000+ Yards Crawford is so excited that he is leaving the program!

The fact that a 3rd string running back is still in your head pretty much says it all. 

He's certainly still in Ben Lueken's head.