Oh Christ.....more trouble in AD office

[BeaumontCat1%]

or not.  we need new "non contaminated by the old regime" blood.  mcguffin has been sucking the teets of the AD for years and has the same BS instilled in him as the guys who taught him the game.  no thanks.

Gonna have to go with clams here.  

Disagree with both of you.

State your case then.

I'm with CaptainCrap on this one.  I don't think McGuffin agreed with a lot of stuff that was going on, and I doubt he was involved with any of the crap that Krause pulled.  He did seem to be working really hard on fund raising from what I have heard.  I'm not sure how successful he has been, but he was/is at least trying to get $$$ from someone not named Vanier.  McGuffin is young enough that with competent leadership in the department, he could still grow into a pretty decent administrator.   
 

[kougar24]

Jim Epps . . . empty suit yes man, who should have retired 8 years ago.

Yup. kurt McGuffin should get his job.

or not.  we need new "non contaminated by the old regime" blood.  mcguffin has been sucking the teets of the AD for years and has the same BS instilled in him as the guys who taught him the game.  no thanks.

I would agree with you in principle, but in reality, I'd really like McGuffin to stick around. So, 

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay . . . McGuffin stays .  . . next . . .

[pissclams]

or not.  we need new "non contaminated by the old regime" blood.  mcguffin has been sucking the teets of the AD for years and has the same BS instilled in him as the guys who taught him the game.  no thanks.

Gonna have to go with clams here.  

Disagree with both of you.

State your case then.

I'm with CaptainCrap on this one.  I don't think McGuffin agreed with a lot of stuff that was going on, and I doubt he was involved with any of the crap that Krause pulled.  He did seem to be working really hard on fund raising from what I have heard.  I'm not sure how successful he has been, but he was/is at least trying to get $$$ from someone not named Vanier.  McGuffin is young enough that with competent leadership in the department, he could still grow into a pretty decent administrator.   
 

he works hard so he should stay, are you fracking kidding me? GMAFB with this weak crape.

he's part of the AD's old guard and with the shape that things are in, he needs to go- along with a bunch of others.  the dude hasn't left MHK since Altman was in town.

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay . . . McGuffin has to go!!

[CaptainCrap]

he's part of the AD's old guard

Just because someone has worked there for more than 5 years doesn't make them "old guard". I know plenty of people that have worked there for that long, if not significantly longer, that were quite pleased with Wednesday's turn of events, as they were no fans of Krause and friends.

I would say that in the upper admin, the old guard has been removed. There are some good people left up there, and may finally be getting the chance to have their good, hard, EMAWing work actually be able to amount to something, instead of their work being sabotaged at every turn by the incompetence above them.

[sonofdaxjones]

he's part of the AD's old guard

Just because someone has worked there for more than 5 years doesn't make them "old guard". I know plenty of people that have worked there for that long, if not significantly longer, that were quite pleased with Wednesday's turn of events, as they were no fans of Krause and friends.

I would say that in the upper admin, the old guard has been removed. There are some good people left up there, and may finally be getting the chance to have their good, hard, EMAWing work actually be able to amount to something, instead of their work being sabotaged at every turn by the incompetence above them.

Tend to agree .  . .  McGuffin Stays.

[BeaumontCat1%]

he works hard so he should stay, are you fracking kidding me? GMAFB with this weak crape.

he's part of the AD's old guard and with the shape that things are in, he needs to go- along with a bunch of others.  the dude hasn't left MHK since Altman was in town.

Actually, his bio says he's been at U of Idaho and Eastern Washington.  That's not USC or Florida by any stretch, but it's not much different than the types of places a lot athletic admins start their careers.

I wonder..... just maybe......if some of McGuffin's hard work has been related to some potential donors that have been waiting to see what the economy is going to do, and how badly the Democrats are going to ass-frank them, before making any large commitments to KSU.  It just might be a good idea to keep someone with those connections in the department, don't ya think?  But Currie doesn't seem to be the type to care much about fund-raising, so I can't imagine why McGuffin wasn't already put on admin leave with Cavello and Epps.  Currie probably just hasn't gotten around to evaluating McGuffin's value to the department.

Speaking of "weak crape", all you've offered in opposition is that he was a member of the athletic department at the same time as Krause, et al.  What makes you think that McGuffin agreed with the way the department was being run?  McGuffin also worked under Weiser, and the disagreements between Weiser and Weef/Krause are well documented.  I'm certainly not here to give any compliments to TW, but it's just as likely that McGuffin disagreed with Weef/Krause as much as TW did.

 

[ew2x4]

WhoTF is McGuffin and which way should I vote?

[Wabash]

Sorry, McGuffin should go. If you ain't a big-time donor, kurt McGuffin won't even say hello to you. Seriously, I've seen the guy move to another part of the room so he wouldn't have to act like he gave a damn about the donors who weren't "big" enough to waste his time. Either that, or he does the best anti-social impersonation of anyone I've ever seen.

It's fine to have people focused on big money, but if you're standing in the Legends Room or near a basketball loge, and you literally turn the other way when moderate-level donors are around, something is wrong with you. They need more of those donors, not less, and Currie gets it. McGuffin does not.

OUTTA HERE!

[BeaumontCat1%]

Sorry, McGuffin should go. If you ain't a big-time donor, kurt McGuffin won't even say hello to you. Seriously, I've seen the guy move to another part of the room so he wouldn't have to act like he gave a damn about the donors who weren't "big" enough to waste his time. Either that, or he does the best anti-social impersonation of anyone I've ever seen.

It's fine to have people focused on big money, but if you're standing in the Legends Room or near a basketball loge, and you literally turn the other way when moderate-level donors are around, something is wrong with you. They need more of those donors, not less, and Currie gets it. McGuffin does not.

OUTTA HERE!

Have you actually seen the amount of money that Currie raised at Tenn?  Trust me, he didn't get it from a bunch of yahoos that were willing to chip in an extra $500 to get better seats and wanted to get a slap on the back from Ernie Barrett in the Legends Room.  But you're probably right; Currie just hasn't had time to decide if McGuffin is worth keeping around.

 

[Wabash]

Nope, Currie got big bucks from big donors. But at least the guy appears to know how to play the game -- which is to not piss on moderate-level donors or even the yahoos who give 50 bucks and think they own the football program. K-State has fewer big-ass donors than most schools and must rely on moderate donors who someday may turn into bigger donors. That doesn't mean K-State should focus all their attention there; just don't have people on staff who act like they'e too good to talk to everyone whose last name isn't Vanier.

If someone in development is too stupid to know how to do that, than they shouldn't be there. I've just never been impressed with McGuffin.

[steve dave]

Nope, Currie got big bucks from big donors. But at least the guy appears to know how to play the game -- which is to not piss on moderate-level donors or even the yahoos who give 50 bucks and think they own the football program. K-State has fewer big-ass donors than most schools and must rely on moderate donors who someday may turn into bigger donors. That doesn't mean K-State should focus all their attention there; just don't have people on staff who act like they'e too good to talk to everyone whose last name isn't Vanier.

If someone in development is too stupid to know how to do that, than they shouldn't be there. I've just never been impressed with McGuffin.

good stuff

[TAFNA Dude]

I'll submit my resume.  I don't have any athletics management experience whatsoever, but my emaw is through the roof and I'm a big proponent of doing whatever it takes to win and keeping the shady stuff a secret.

[pissclams]

he works hard so he should stay, are you fracking kidding me? GMAFB with this weak crape.

he's part of the AD's old guard and with the shape that things are in, he needs to go- along with a bunch of others.  the dude hasn't left MHK since Altman was in town.

Actually, his bio says he's been at U of Idaho and Eastern Washington.  That's not USC or Florida by any stretch, but it's not much different than the types of places a lot athletic admins start their careers.

I wonder..... just maybe......if some of McGuffin's hard work has been related to some potential donors that have been waiting to see what the economy is going to do, and how badly the Democrats are going to ass-frank them, before making any large commitments to KSU.  It just might be a good idea to keep someone with those connections in the department, don't ya think?  But Currie doesn't seem to be the type to care much about fund-raising, so I can't imagine why McGuffin wasn't already put on admin leave with Cavello and Epps.  Currie probably just hasn't gotten around to evaluating McGuffin's value to the department.

Speaking of "weak crape", all you've offered in opposition is that he was a member of the athletic department at the same time as Krause, et al.  What makes you think that McGuffin agreed with the way the department was being run?  McGuffin also worked under Weiser, and the disagreements between Weiser and Weef/Krause are well documented.  I'm certainly not here to give any compliments to TW, but it's just as likely that McGuffin disagreed with Weef/Krause as much as TW did.

 

mcguffin liked krause and wefald well enough to rub their jocks any chance he got, and oh btw, wabash is spot on.

[NEKS-Cat]

I'll submit my resume.  I don't have any athletics management experience whatsoever, but my emaw is through the roof and I'm a big proponent of doing whatever it takes to win and keeping the shady stuff a secret.

 

[fatty fat fat]

fantastic thread. sheesh.

[sonofdaxjones]

Fully on the McGuffin has to go wagon now.

[BeaumontCat1%]

Fully on the McGuffin has to go wagon now.

I can see why.  He's obviously guilty of slighting a bunch of tools in the Legends Room, and be puts waaaayyy too much effort in to getting real money while those great folks with their Ben Franklins (one each) weren't shown the proper respect.  JFC.


 

[sonofdaxjones]

Fully on the McGuffin has to go wagon now.

I can see why.  He's obviously guilty of slighting a bunch of tools in the Legends Room, and be puts waaaayyy too much effort in to getting real money while those great folks with their Ben Franklins (one each) weren't shown the proper respect.  JFC.


 

Okay I am convinced . . . McGuffin has to stay.

[catzacker]

if you're only working the "big money"...at ksu...you really must have a lot of free time.  what is there?  like 3-4 people in the whole EMAW nation with any real coin?  how f'ing hard is it to get Jack Vanier a drink every saturday?

[cyclist]

Fully on the McGuffin has to go wagon now.

I can see why.  He's obviously guilty of slighting a bunch of tools in the Legends Room, and be puts waaaayyy too much effort in to getting real money while those great folks with their Ben Franklins (one each) weren't shown the proper respect.  JFC.


 

Okay I am convinced . . . McGuffin has to stay.

Hey Dax,

You're now ing on us !

[sonofdaxjones]

if you're only working the "big money"...at ksu...you really must have a lot of free time.  what is there?  like 3-4 people in the whole EMAW nation with any real coin?  how f'ing hard is it to get Jack Vanier a drink every saturday?

There's a lot more than 3 or 4, but getting them to contribute large 6 and 7 figure checks to athletics, that's a different story.   It would be interesting to know if they even try.   Some of the articles I've read about K-State alums who have given millions to other parts of KSU lead me to believe they're not the biggest sports fans.   

[cyclist]

if you're only working the "big money"...at ksu...you really must have a lot of free time.  what is there?  like 3-4 people in the whole EMAW nation with any real coin?  how f'ing hard is it to get Jack Vanier a drink every saturday?

There's a lot more than 3 or 4, but getting them to contribute large 6 and 7 figure checks to athletics, that's a different story.   It would be interesting to know if they even try.   Some of the articles I've read about K-State alums who have given millions to other parts of KSU lead me to believe they're not the biggest sports fans.   

Not that I'm a big donor or anything, but I contribute to the College of Engineering, not the KSU sports programs.

I'm sure this would seem to be anti-EMAW...

[kougar24]

Sorry, McGuffin should go. If you ain't a big-time donor, kurt McGuffin won't even say hello to you. Seriously, I've seen the guy move to another part of the room so he wouldn't have to act like he gave a damn about the donors who weren't "big" enough to waste his time. Either that, or he does the best anti-social impersonation of anyone I've ever seen.

It's fine to have people focused on big money, but if you're standing in the Legends Room or near a basketball loge, and you literally turn the other way when moderate-level donors are around, something is wrong with you. They need more of those donors, not less, and Currie gets it. McGuffin does not.

OUTTA HERE!

Good. Mcguffin should focus on the major donors...that's his job. And he's pretty decent at it. Don't be childish just because you aren't important enough for him to talk to.

[BeaumontCat1%]

if you're only working the "big money"...at ksu...you really must have a lot of free time.  what is there?  like 3-4 people in the whole EMAW nation with any real coin?  how f'ing hard is it to get Jack Vanier a drink every saturday?

There's a lot more than 3 or 4, but getting them to contribute large 6 and 7 figure checks to athletics, that's a different story.   It would be interesting to know if they even try.   Some of the articles I've read about K-State alums who have given millions to other parts of KSU lead me to believe they're not the biggest sports fans.   

Dax, you seem to know more about this stuff than I do, but from what I have heard there are attempts being made, and you have identified the exact problem.  If McGuffin has been cultivating relationships with folks who can write checks with commas and lots of zeros, it would be pretty stupid to fire him because he doesn't lick every pair of sh*t-stained ropers that enters the Legends Room.
 

[sonofdaxjones]

When Krause exited the AD's office, he claimed they have multiple $5-$10 million dollars "asks" on the table.   That may have been to satisfy his/Weefer's secret $10 million dollar buyout of Deb Patterson's contract. 

[Wabash]

IT'S FRACKIN' kuRT MCGUFFIN, PEOPLE. And there's a reason no one knows him. Do you pissants really think it's been kurt McGuffin driving major fundraising at K-State? Ah, no. That would have been the guy who has a statue of himself outside of Bramlage: Ernie Barrett. Oh, and that guy named Snyder who ran off 11 straight bowl seasons. And the athletic directors who seem to be coming and going through a revolving door lately.

Barrett's been retired for how many years, and there isn't anyone close to being able to raise the jack he did. All McGuffin ever did was shuffle along after Barrett, Wefald and "name the AD," cleaning cheese off of plates, taking drink orders and acting like he was part of the inner circle.

Too bad he didn't really know how to mimic the inner circle. Do you honestly think he's the magical link between the major donors and K-State? Yeah, right. kurt McGuffin. I'm betting Sweet Lou Perkins is beating down his door right now trying to steal this fundraising god away from us. Big donors don't care any more about McGuffin than those "tools" in the Legends Room. Believe me, Jack Vanier ain't calling McGuffin up when he wants to talk cash. And who do you think those "tools" in the Legends Room are? They give a MINIMUM of $5,000 year for the privilege of standing in some crapty room for 20 minutes at halftime of basketball games, standing at a crapty little table eating crapty food and watching Mr. God's Gift to Fundraising (yeah, right) chase after Wefald.

By the way, those in that room typically give $10,000, $25,000, $50,000 and more. And Ernie Barrett and everyone else in the department who had any common sense was glad-handing every one. There's a reason Ernie Barrett had influence with both those who gave millions to K-State and with those who gave hundreds. The guy could sell ice to an Eskimo. While he was dipping into the pockets of a Fred Bramlage, he also was shaking (and breaking) the hands of students, Catbacker groups and anyone who understood what EMAW was. We all know he was focused on landing big money. But he could at least pretend to give a shat about someone other than the owner of Brogden Jeep. And he knew better than anyone that the reason so many people give thousands to the academic side of the house and not athletics is because they've been ignored for so many years. As Dax said, there's lots of money out there; too bad we don't have real fundraisers capable of getting it. Enter John Currie.

But, by all means, pretend that McGuffin is the fundraising genuis that makes K-State's financial engine sing. I mean, it must be so exhausting to pretend you actually give a shat about someone who gives less than a million a year, all the while pretending you're the reason the guy who gave a million actually did it.

I'm surprised we didn't name McGuffin AD. He's that good.

[steve dave]

IT'S FRACKIN' kuRT MCGUFFIN, PEOPLE. And there's a reason no one knows him. Do you pissants really think it's been kurt McGuffin driving major fundraising at K-State? Ah, no. That would have been the guy who has a statue of himself outside of Bramlage: Ernie Barrett. Oh, and that guy named Snyder who ran off 11 straight bowl seasons. And the athletic directors who seem to be coming and going through a revolving door lately.

Barrett's been retired for how many years, and there isn't anyone close to being able to raise the jack he did. All McGuffin ever did was shuffle along after Barrett, Wefald and "name the AD," cleaning cheese off of plates, taking drink orders and acting like he was part of the inner circle.

Too bad he didn't really know how to mimic the inner circle. Do you honestly think he's the magical link between the major donors and K-State? Yeah, right. kurt McGuffin. I'm betting Sweet Lou Perkins is beating down his door right now trying to steal this fundraising god away from us. Big donors don't care any more about McGuffin than those "tools" in the Legends Room. Believe me, Jack Vanier ain't calling McGuffin up when he wants to talk cash. And who do you think those "tools" in the Legends Room are? They give a MINIMUM of $5,000 year for the privilege of standing in some crapty room for 20 minutes at halftime of basketball games, standing at a crapty little table eating crapty food and watching Mr. God's Gift to Fundraising (yeah, right) chase after Wefald.

By the way, those in that room typically give $10,000, $25,000, $50,000 and more. And Ernie Barrett and everyone else in the department who had any common sense was glad-handing every one. There's a reason Ernie Barrett had influence with both those who gave millions to K-State and with those who gave hundreds. The guy could sell ice to an Eskimo. While he was dipping into the pockets of a Fred Bramlage, he also was shaking (and breaking) the hands of students, Catbacker groups and anyone who understood what EMAW was. We all know he was focused on landing big money. But he could at least pretend to give a shat about someone other than the owner of Brogden Jeep. And he knew better than anyone that the reason so many people give thousands to the academic side of the house and not athletics is because they've been ignored for so many years. As Dax said, there's lots of money out there; too bad we don't have real fundraisers capable of getting it. Enter John Currie.

But, by all means, pretend that McGuffin is the fundraising genuis that makes K-State's financial engine sing. I mean, it must be so exhausting to pretend you actually give a shat about someone who gives less than a million a year, all the while pretending you're the reason the guy who gave a million actually did it.

I'm surprised we didn't name McGuffin AD. He's that good.

I'm not gonna lie.....I like this Wabash guy

[billyzabka]

IT'S FRACKIN' kuRT MCGUFFIN, PEOPLE. And there's a reason no one knows him. Do you pissants really think it's been kurt McGuffin driving major fundraising at K-State? Ah, no. That would have been the guy who has a statue of himself outside of Bramlage: Ernie Barrett. Oh, and that guy named Snyder who ran off 11 straight bowl seasons. And the athletic directors who seem to be coming and going through a revolving door lately.

Barrett's been retired for how many years, and there isn't anyone close to being able to raise the jack he did. All McGuffin ever did was shuffle along after Barrett, Wefald and "name the AD," cleaning cheese off of plates, taking drink orders and acting like he was part of the inner circle.

Too bad he didn't really know how to mimic the inner circle. Do you honestly think he's the magical link between the major donors and K-State? Yeah, right. kurt McGuffin. I'm betting Sweet Lou Perkins is beating down his door right now trying to steal this fundraising god away from us. Big donors don't care any more about McGuffin than those "tools" in the Legends Room. Believe me, Jack Vanier ain't calling McGuffin up when he wants to talk cash. And who do you think those "tools" in the Legends Room are? They give a MINIMUM of $5,000 year for the privilege of standing in some crapty room for 20 minutes at halftime of basketball games, standing at a crapty little table eating crapty food and watching Mr. God's Gift to Fundraising (yeah, right) chase after Wefald.

By the way, those in that room typically give $10,000, $25,000, $50,000 and more. And Ernie Barrett and everyone else in the department who had any common sense was glad-handing every one. There's a reason Ernie Barrett had influence with both those who gave millions to K-State and with those who gave hundreds. The guy could sell ice to an Eskimo. While he was dipping into the pockets of a Fred Bramlage, he also was shaking (and breaking) the hands of students, Catbacker groups and anyone who understood what EMAW was. We all know he was focused on landing big money. But he could at least pretend to give a shat about someone other than the owner of Brogden Jeep. And he knew better than anyone that the reason so many people give thousands to the academic side of the house and not athletics is because they've been ignored for so many years. As Dax said, there's lots of money out there; too bad we don't have real fundraisers capable of getting it. Enter John Currie.

But, by all means, pretend that McGuffin is the fundraising genuis that makes K-State's financial engine sing. I mean, it must be so exhausting to pretend you actually give a shat about someone who gives less than a million a year, all the while pretending you're the reason the guy who gave a million actually did it.

I'm surprised we didn't name McGuffin AD. He's that good.

fracking amazing post