I hate to even think about this....

[ksu_FAN]

lol at thinking 5 or 6 wins is optimistic.  if snyder can't win 5 or 6 games next year it'll be a spectacular failure.

What do you base this on?  Seriously.

[FelixRex]

lol at thinking 5 or 6 wins is optimistic.  if snyder can't win 5 or 6 games next year it'll be a spectacular failure.

What do you base this on?  Seriously.

QFT

He inherited a low-talent team that won 10 games in two years and just lost its best player.

[steve dave]

6 wins would be a miracle imo. 

[mcmwcat]

How many wins are you expecting?  Which games?  Seriously.

3 non cons.  isu,cu,a&m

[ksu_FAN]

How many wins are you expecting?  Which games?  Seriously.

3 non cons.  isu,cu,a&m

I don't think that's completely out of wack.  But I will say CU and aTm will have a "head start" on progress in their programs.  You'd hope we could manage wins in those with being in Manhattan, but who knows.

I think we'll have a little better feel after this saturday, but spring games only say so much.  Plus we will be counting on help at several positions with new arrivals in the fall. 

Really, looking at what I suspect we have in place and the rebuilding Snyder is trying to do, only the two 1-AAs and perhaps one of the 3 Big 12 home games I would count as "sure wins" at this point.  I'd even put at La-La as a game we could possibly lose.  I just think its hard to say where we are and where Snyder can take us with what we have in place.  And if things go bad in those early games; say a loss to La-La and or to ISU, then things get pretty sketchy.  Snyder could easily lose some of the Prince holdovers if things don't work out well.

[steve dave]

If we go 3-1 in non-con I will be really 

[Joker]

Winning all six of those games would be quite the accomplishment.The days of assuming we'll win our games against the poor/mediocre teams are over.  I think it's far more likely that we win 2 non con, and 2 conference.

[ltrain37]

lol at thinking 5 or 6 wins is optimistic.  if snyder can't win 5 or 6 games next year it'll be a spectacular failure.

What do you base this on?  Seriously.

QFT

He inherited a low-talent team that won 10 games in two years and just lost its best player.

 x2

26 points/game   <------ thats how many points we lost by (on average) to Tech, OU, uk, MU and nubb last year.  We were a bad bad team last year - don't ever forget that.  Thats A LOT of fundamentals to teach/coach up. 

[mcmwcat]

If we go 3-1 in non-con I will be really 

prince beat la-laf right?  the worst coach in the nation can do it but the greatest coach in the history of the game can't do it?  wow.  expectations lowering is being pushed to new limits around here.  same worst coach in the history of the game smashed a&m in college station and almost beat the buffs in Boulder w/ an easy W over ISU.

am i hearing those feats can't be bettered by the greatest coach in the history of the game?

[mcmwcat]

How many wins are you expecting?  Which games?  Seriously.

3 non cons.  isu,cu,a&m

I don't think that's completely out of wack.  But I will say CU and aTm will have a "head start" on progress in their programs.  You'd hope we could manage wins in those with being in Manhattan, but who knows.

I think we'll have a little better feel after this saturday, but spring games only say so much.  Plus we will be counting on help at several positions with new arrivals in the fall. 

Really, looking at what I suspect we have in place and the rebuilding Snyder is trying to do, only the two 1-AAs and perhaps one of the 3 Big 12 home games I would count as "sure wins" at this point.  I'd even put at La-La as a game we could possibly lose.  I just think its hard to say where we are and where Snyder can take us with what we have in place.  And if things go bad in those early games; say a loss to La-La and or to ISU, then things get pretty sketchy.  Snyder could easily lose some of the Prince holdovers if things don't work out well.

if snyder loses to the clones he should be fired immediately

and spring games tell us nothing

[ksu_FAN]

If we go 3-1 in non-con I will be really 

prince beat la-laf right?  the worst coach in the nation can do it but the greatest coach in the history of the game can't do it?  wow.  expectations lowering is being pushed to new limits around here.  same worst coach in the history of the game smashed a&m in college station and almost beat the buffs in Boulder w/ an easy W over ISU.

am i hearing those feats can't be bettered by the greatest coach in the history of the game?

Barely.  And you go on the road to a place like that having one of the biggest games at home in their history and weird things can happen.

[steve dave]

If we go 3-1 in non-con I will be really 

prince beat la-laf right?  the worst coach in the nation can do it but the greatest coach in the history of the game can't do it?  wow.  expectations lowering is being pushed to new limits around here.  same worst coach in the history of the game smashed a&m in college station and almost beat the buffs in Boulder w/ an easy W over ISU.

am i hearing those feats can't be bettered by the greatest coach in the history of the game?

Barely.  And you go on the road to a place like that having one of the biggest games at home in their history and weird things can happen.

We also had more talent last year than this year.  I will be extremely  if we pull it off.  Ceveland State'esque imo.

[jrod06]

Wow, you guys are horrible. I'm no sunshine pumper but maybe I'm just used to being around people who are excited about next season. i just figured I would come over here to post some info about the team and talk about football.

[ksu_FAN]

Wow, you guys are horrible. I'm no sunshine pumper but maybe I'm just used to being around people who are excited about next season. i just figured I would come over here to post some info about the team and talk about football.

Who said some of us aren't excited about the season?  Yeah, there is plenty of sarcastic pessimism here, but I'm still ready to see what happens and look forward to the season.  I just think there are lots of things to overcome and am trying to go into next year with realistic expectations.

[steve dave]

Opening line for KSU @ LaLa?  I'm guessing it opens a push and early money moves it to -1.5 for LaLa. 

[fatty fat fat]

Opening line for KSU @ LaLa?  I'm guessing it opens a push and early money moves it to -1.5 for LaLa. 

chat room should be amazing for that game.

[steve dave]

Opening line for KSU @ LaLa?  I'm guessing it opens a push and early money moves it to -1.5 for LaLa. 

chat room should be amazing for that game.

agreed

[Joker]

I'm always excited for football, and would love for the team to drastically improve.  But, like FAN, you have to be realistic.  A turd is a turd, no matter how much OB'z spit shines it.

[Pett]

I don't see us just dumping Snyder off before the end of the five year contract after all he has done for us.

And how loyal he has been.

[mcmwcat]

reality is we are paying a legendary coach $1.8 million.  he should be able to beat the la-laf's and isu's of the world ... easily

[mcmwcat]

I don't see us just dumping Snyder off before the end of the five year contract after all he has done for us.

And how loyal he has been.

loyal to who?  the program or his assistant coaches?  he dumped the program on its ass w no warning 4 years ago.

[FelixRex]

Wow, you guys are horrible. I'm no sunshine pumper but maybe I'm just used to being around people who are excited about next season. i just figured I would come over here to post some info about the team and talk about football.

I think most of us outside GPC are expressing as much optimism about next season as HOFCWCBS. There's a difference between looking forward to the season and being optimistic about the season.

[cireksu]

I'm looking forward to the tard reaction when we get slaughtered by ku and mu and lose to mizzou.

[steve dave]

I'm looking forward to the tard reaction when we get slaughtered by ku and mu and lose to mizzou.

and then we'll get slaughtered by UCLA and lose to UCLA

[cireksu]

nu, typo.  good catch.