You guys are all welcome.

[Pett]

[Pete]

Nice work Pett.

[Winters]

[Pike]

These are just current coaches right?

[Pett]

These are just current coaches right?

Fact.

[FUKU]

d00d, this was posted like a long time ago on some blog. Hence Dana Dimel still being a coordinator at Arizona.

[Perry]

Why don't we ever see Iowa fans going around telling use that we're welcome for Bill? Just seems odd that we shove the "our coach coached your coach" thing into everyone's faces, but Iowa goes back another generation in this ladder of coach mentoring.

[SuperG]

Why don't we ever see Iowa fans going around telling use that we're welcome for Bill? Just seems odd that we shove the "our coach coached your coach" thing into everyone's faces, but Iowa goes back another generation in this ladder of coach mentoring.

If you don't ever see it, perhaps you're not looking in the right place... IOWA. 

They do enjoy their past and do refer their former head coach and his legacy often. Not that I blame them for that. I would too if I gave a gave a frank about Iowa.

[cireksu]

where is dell miller?

[steve dave]

I think panjadrum made that. 

[KITNfury]

Just think what that will look like when our current young buck assistant coaches have a chance to grow under Snyds and spread their wings!

[steve dave]

Just think what that will look like when our current young buck assistant coaches have a chance to grow under Snyds and spread their wings!

It's kinda like some of them failed the class the first time and had to re-take their senior year to bring their GPA up.

[sonofdaxjones]

Iowa fans continuously remind any K-State person that Snyder came from there . . . hang out with one for about 2 minutes.

[catzacker]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

[jthutch]

Iowa fans continuously remind any K-State person that Snyder came from there . . . hang out with one for about 2 minutes.

No thanks  .  Seem kinda smelly.

[yoga-lika_abana]

taking credit for others work.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/318657-a-look-at-bill-snyders-impact-on-bob-stoops-and-urban-meyer

[Thin Blue Line]

Iowa fans continuously remind any K-State person that Snyder came from there . . . hang out with one for about 2 minutes.

I used to work for a guy with a Hawkeye banner on his Explorerer. I feel the pain.

[Bookcat]

Snyder credits Hayden Frye all the time....


Mangino on the other hand....is a fat ass ripoff artist that basically steals from the Snyder "how to turn around a program" handbook on a daily basis.

If his career was a thesis paper, he'd be thrown out by committee.

[LesMiserables]

Update: Latina was fired at ND...currently unemployed.

[JTKSU]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

That's kinda like saying if they hadn't won so many games, they wouldn't be as famous.  You really don't think that Snyder had anything to do with the future success of those coaches?  Did they just ignore everything he said and learned how to be good coaches on their own?  Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore? 

[KSUTOMMY]

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[catzacker]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

That's kinda like saying if they hadn't won so many games, they wouldn't be as famous.  You really don't think that Snyder had anything to do with the future success of those coaches?  Did they just ignore everything he said and learned how to be good coaches on their own?  Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore? 

don't be retarded.  never said snyds wasn't a good coach...he had good assistants, I'm sure their goodness was influenced by snyds, but how much is overblown.  it's like giving all the credit for beasley to frank martin.  Those 2 bad seasons didn't just happen overnight.  It was years of terrible recruiting by a core of Snyder's assistants (a staff, mind you, whose core is eerily similar to the guys snyds has now).  where was bill's magic pixie dust then?  or does it only work on the ones that turn out to be successful?

[jmlynch1]

taking credit for others work.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/318657-a-look-at-bill-snyders-impact-on-bob-stoops-and-urban-meyer

I think his 'you're welcome' was directed to all the other schools. Hater.

[yoga-lika_abana]

Nice work Pett.

taking credit for others work.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/318657-a-look-at-bill-snyders-impact-on-bob-stoops-and-urban-meyer

I think his 'you're welcome' was directed to all the other schools. Hater.

I think panjadrum made that. 

I don't believe so. Not a hater just don't think someone should act like they made something they didn't

[JTKSU]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

That's kinda like saying if they hadn't won so many games, they wouldn't be as famous.  You really don't think that Snyder had anything to do with the future success of those coaches?  Did they just ignore everything he said and learned how to be good coaches on their own?  Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore? 

don't be retarded.  never said snyds wasn't a good coach...he had good assistants, I'm sure their goodness was influenced by snyds, but how much is overblown.  it's like giving all the credit for beasley to frank martin.  Those 2 bad seasons didn't just happen overnight.  It was years of terrible recruiting by a core of Snyder's assistants (a staff, mind you, whose core is eerily similar to the guys snyds has now).  where was bill's magic pixie dust then?  or does it only work on the ones that turn out to be successful?

Those two bad years came on the heels of our only conference championship.  We graduated numerous key dudes, and didn't have anyone really step up and fill those holes.  Even traditionally rich programs go through down years, or even multiple down years in a row.  You miss on key recruits, recruits you do sign end up busts, etc.  These things happen.  Were Penn State fans calling Joe Pa (the coach, not BMW's favorite sports writer) a bad coach after a few down years?  How did that end up for them?  And really, most of this isn't even about your post, I just get a little tired of it being the "cool thing" on this board to belittle the career that Snyder had.  Sorry if I was an asshole.

[CrushNasty]

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That's a good point, but I think Raheem actually taught Prince more over the course of their time together.  More importantly, does Prince count as part of Raheem's coaching tree?  I'm sure he hopes it doesn't. 

*edit-  Actually, I think that made me feel a little bit better about KSU's relevancy in college football today.  If this program is still able to lure a Raheem Morris type of coordinator, maybe we're not so bad off after all.   

[BigCat]

Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore?

Something like that, yeah.

[catzacker]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

That's kinda like saying if they hadn't won so many games, they wouldn't be as famous.  You really don't think that Snyder had anything to do with the future success of those coaches?  Did they just ignore everything he said and learned how to be good coaches on their own?  Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore? 

don't be retarded.  never said snyds wasn't a good coach...he had good assistants, I'm sure their goodness was influenced by snyds, but how much is overblown.  it's like giving all the credit for beasley to frank martin.  Those 2 bad seasons didn't just happen overnight.  It was years of terrible recruiting by a core of Snyder's assistants (a staff, mind you, whose core is eerily similar to the guys snyds has now).  where was bill's magic pixie dust then?  or does it only work on the ones that turn out to be successful?

Those two bad years came on the heels of our only conference championship.   We graduated numerous key dudes, and didn't have anyone really step up and fill those holes.  Even traditionally rich programs go through down years, or even multiple down years in a row.  You miss on key recruits, recruits you do sign end up busts, etc.  These things happen.  Were Penn State fans calling Joe Pa (the coach, not BMW's favorite sports writer) a bad coach after a few down years?  How did that end up for them?  And really, most of this isn't even about your post, I just get a little tired of it being the "cool thing" on this board to belittle the career that Snyder had.  Sorry if I was an asshole.

that makes those 2 years worse, btw.  it also came on the heels of winning 11 games 6 of 7 years. snyder did great things, he did terrible things.... you aren't a terrible ksu fan if you recognize both.

[JTKSU]

If that diagram proves anything it's that Hayden and Bill owe a lot of if not most of their success to their assistants, rather than some magical pixie dust that only they have.  And when they didn't have those assistants, they sucked.

That's kinda like saying if they hadn't won so many games, they wouldn't be as famous.  You really don't think that Snyder had anything to do with the future success of those coaches?  Did they just ignore everything he said and learned how to be good coaches on their own?  Dude had two bad seasons and now, all of a sudden, he isn't a good coach anymore? 

don't be retarded.  never said snyds wasn't a good coach...he had good assistants, I'm sure their goodness was influenced by snyds, but how much is overblown.  it's like giving all the credit for beasley to frank martin.  Those 2 bad seasons didn't just happen overnight.  It was years of terrible recruiting by a core of Snyder's assistants (a staff, mind you, whose core is eerily similar to the guys snyds has now).  where was bill's magic pixie dust then?  or does it only work on the ones that turn out to be successful?

Those two bad years came on the heels of our only conference championship.   We graduated numerous key dudes, and didn't have anyone really step up and fill those holes.  Even traditionally rich programs go through down years, or even multiple down years in a row.  You miss on key recruits, recruits you do sign end up busts, etc.  These things happen.  Were Penn State fans calling Joe Pa (the coach, not BMW's favorite sports writer) a bad coach after a few down years?  How did that end up for them?  And really, most of this isn't even about your post, I just get a little tired of it being the "cool thing" on this board to belittle the career that Snyder had.  Sorry if I was an asshole.

that makes those 2 years worse, btw.  it also came on the heels of winning 11 games 6 of 7 years. snyder did great things, he did terrible things.... you aren't a terrible ksu fan if you recognize both.

Never said that made you a terrible fan.  But saying things simply for the sake of running with the pack does make you a simpleton.  Recognizing that even the truly elite teams have had two bad years in a row doesn't make you a terrible college football fan either.  Pretty ironic that every sports writer in the country has Snyder as one of the greatest coaches of all time, yet fans of his teams seem to think (because he had two bad years) that he is overrated, not all that good to begin with, and rode on the coattails of his assistants.