Kietz: KSU would be 5-0 under Bill Snyder

[Dan Rydell]

Says that Snyder would have scheduled LA Tech instead of Louisville, Snyder's offense would have allowed them to win vs. Baylor.

I think Stan originally made the argument to Kietz.

I'd agree, but so what.  Snyder's not our coach anymore.

[sonofdaxjones]

Ah yes ... that good old hindsight.

[TheShocker]

Ah yes ... that good old hindsight.

Using hindsight, who would have you guys  liked to see hired to replace Snyder? Hawkins was a popular name in the off-season but he's not looking so hot now. No one knew who Prince was and now we know why. So who would you have picked?

[greasd up deaf guy]

I wanted Leavitt. Word is, however, Leavitt didn't want KSU.

[Dan Rydell]

Jim Leavitt.  

I'm not so hot on Gary Patterson after some things I've seen/heard.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't what "who we should've hired" has to do with speculating as to what Bill Snyder would've done this year.

 

[TheShocker]

I don't what "who we should've hired" has to do with speculating as to what Bill Snyder would've done this year.

 

I'll put you down as a "I have no f%cking clue". I'm just curious dude, don't be so sensitive.

[greasd up deaf guy]

I don't what "who we should've hired" has to do with speculating as to what Bill Snyder would've done this year.

 

Using hindsight, who would have you guys  liked to see hired to replace Snyder? Hawkins was a popular name in the off-season but he's not looking so hot now. No one knew who Prince was and now we know why. So who would you have picked?

[opcat]

KK said this team would have beaten Baylor but how ?

Is this team really better than last years ?  Oline ? Worse with Clary gone. Still can't run worth sh**. Pass blocking hasn't improved alot. Defense ? Under Elliot ? skeptical.

I think we would be 4-1 under Snyder ,subbing Louis. for North Eastern South Dakota.

[Legore]

If Snyder were coach the o-line would be much more comfortable in the system and guys would be in different spots.  Wafford would be at right tackle Boss and Hafferty at the guards Bedore or Schmidt at center and probably Freison at left tackle.  Those guys played better last year the last couple of games then what we've seen at anytime this year and they only would have improved with more time in the system.  Also the run game would be much more diverse and much more difficult to defend then outside zone right and outside zone left like we've seen this year.   Evridge would be QB and he'd provide both a running and throwing threat.   Teams wouldn't be able to pin their ears back and take free shots at the qb all day.  If they played 8 man fronts against us the QB run game would allow us to have a chance to block them and still pick up yards on the ground.  We scored 3 freaking points against Baylor we never had an offensive peformance that bad last year and we played many defenses far better then what Baylor  has.  So I'm pretty confident with more experience this year Snyder could have managed to score enough to win that Baylor game. 

As for the D it would be iimproved under Elliot and a pretty good unit.  Though I doubt it would have shown the type of improvement that it has shown under Morris.  He really has done a good job along with the other defensive coaches.  Forwhatever reason they've really connected with the players and made a difference while the offensive coaches have not.  The biggest difference between Snyder and Prince offensively is that Snyder had a tried and true system and he knew exactly what he wanted to do.  I don't think Prince really knows what he wants to do.  He had his system in Virginia but I think a lot of what he did there was dictated by Al Groh.  Now he comes to KSU and I'm sure he has his own ideas and then you have James Franklin who has never been a cordinator and probably has his own ideas and what you have is a hodge podge of things with no clear cut direction or identity. 

[michigancat]

I don't think it's a given that Snyder marches into Baylor and wins...yeah, our offense would be better, but our Bobby Elliott and Chris Cosh-led defense would have been soft.  I guess it's hard for me to give a team with one B12 road win in two seasons any "sure things".


And Butch Davis.

[michigancat]

We scored 3 freaking points against Baylor we never had an offensive peformance that bad last year and we played many defenses far better then what Baylor  has. 

To be fair, we've only had one defensive performance the last 16 Big XII games, too.

The biggest difference between Snyder and Prince offensively is that Snyder had a tried and true system and he knew exactly what he wanted to do.  I don't think Prince really knows what he wants to do.  He had his system in Virginia but I think a lot of what he did there was dictated by Al Groh.  Now he comes to KSU and I'm sure he has his own ideas and then you have James Franklin who has never been a cordinator and probably has his own ideas and what you have is a hodge podge of things with no clear cut direction or identity. 

I agree with that 100%.  I was hoping Franklin would bring some Friedgen magic along with him.  Either he hasn't or Prince hasn't let him use it.

[The_Cheat]

I love the purple koolaid.  That koolaid dude could be a serious offensive lineman.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't what "who we should've hired" has to do with speculating as to what Bill Snyder would've done this year.

 

I'll put you down as a "I have no f%cking clue". I'm just curious dude, don't be so sensitive.

I have plenty of clues ... I just don't know what it has to do with the original post concerning the statement made by Keitzman.

This post should keep you occupied for hours.

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Fact:  If Snyder were still coaching we'd still have the same douche bag D Coordinator and we would have had 50 hung on us by Baylor and just about everybody else.  Kietz is an f'ing moron.

[TheShocker]

I have plenty of clues ... I just don't know what it has to do with the original post concerning the statement made by Keitzman.

This post should keep you occupied for hours.

Dude, I'll admit that your grammar and spelling are pretty good for a highly functioning retard. This thread was about a hypothetical situation where Snyder still coached at KSU, instead of Prince. All I asked is who you guys would have liked to see coaching at KSU, instead of Prince.
My post wasn't precisely on topic with the original post of this thread but if you can't see how the two are related then I guess you aren't highly functioning after all.

Damn daxjones, you're such a pissy little girl sometimes.

[BrotherDDay]

Fact:  If Snyder were still coaching we'd still have the same douche bag D Coordinator and we would have had 50 hung on us by Baylor and just about everybody else.  Kietz is an f'ing moron.

Exactly.  That game last Saturday would've been a shootout / track meet, and in K-State road fashion, they would have found a way to lose in the 4th Quarter.   Elliott's never met a spead offense he knew how to defend.  Bell would've thrown for 500 yards, give or take, and put at least a 40 spot on the board.  K-State would have wilted trying to play keep-up in the Waco/Koresh-laden heat for 4+ hours, and, likely wouldn't have had their legs entirely back for the Cowboys this Saturday.

[sonofdaxjones]

I have plenty of clues ... I just don't know what it has to do with the original post concerning the statement made by Keitzman.

This post should keep you occupied for hours.

Dude, I'll admit that your grammar and spelling are pretty good for a highly functioning retard. This thread was about a hypothetical situation where Snyder still coached at KSU, instead of Prince. All I asked is who you guys would have liked to see coaching at KSU, instead of Prince.
My post wasn't precisely on topic with the original post of this thread but if you can't see how the two are related then I guess you aren't highly functioning after all.

Damn daxjones, you're such a pissy little girl sometimes.

Chief ... re-read your posts and tell me again who is pissy??


Geezus ... it's like picking on a short bus kid.

[TheShocker]

Geezus ... it's like picking on a short bus kid.

You would know. Still embarrassed of the days when the other neighborhoods got to ride the big bus while you had to wait for the little one with the ramp?
sonofdaxjones: "I'm not handicapped, I'm handicapable!"

[Wildcat Jack]

With Snyder we'd have lost to Illinois State....I also think the team was re-energized (don't know if they still are) and the defense and special teams showed it against ISU, FAU and MU....which in and of itself won those games

We wouldn't have scheduled Louisville (and that is a mistake, don't like Prince's sched philosophy) giving us another potential to win.

I'm not convinced we'd be any better off with Snyder.  We needed an assistant coach housecleaning and I think we are still suffering from some bad habits and attitudes that are perpetuating.

However, that said, I'd like to see Snyder leading this group of assistants....it's the kind of energy and enthusiasm we used to see.

[sonofdaxjones]

Geezus ... it's like picking on a short bus kid.

You would know. Still embarrassed of the days when the other neighborhoods got to ride the big bus while you had to wait for the little one with the ramp?
sonofdaxjones: "I'm not handicapped, I'm handicapable!"

That's just sad Shocker ... seriously.  Take a ride in the Impala and think about it and come back when you can do better.

[TheShocker]

Dude, your game is weak. You basically have two responses: "Sad" and "You're angry". I guess it's tough to come up with new replies when you're busy following the circus freak show that is KSU football and stalking the AD at the same time.
Poor dax, you're just sad. 

[Legore]

Yup Baylor would have hung 50 on us with Elliot they do that to big 12 teams all the time.  So I guess the logic here is when the offense sucks this year it's all because of the talent and coaching has nothing to do with success or failure. But the defense is good only because of coaching and the talent has nothing to do with success or failure.  

[StayOutOfTrees]

Hell knows no furry of a sonofdax scorned, over, and over, and over.... again.

Never give up Dax! You are correct! Never let the masses tell you otherwise!

[sonofdaxjones]

Dude, your game is weak. You basically have two responses: "Sad" and "You're angry". I guess it's tough to come up with new replies when you're busy following the circus freak show that is KSU football and stalking the AD at the same time.
Poor dax, you're just sad. 

More Hillside High Education on display ... 

[Nascat]

I've seen enough.  We've lost our last two games which is enough to show me that Prince cannot coach and we are doomed!  We're never going to win another game.  What's the use.  The world is coming to an end anyway.