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March 02, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
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http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-6-0/Why-would-Pats-turn-down-12th-pick-for-Cassel-.html

Circumstances surrounding the Matt Cassel trade keep getting curiouser and curiouser.

The more we learn, the more inexplicable it gets.

The New England Patriots sent Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 34th overall selection in this year's draft, compensation that seemed a little weak on the surface.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen has since reported there was a much better offer on the table, that the Patriots passed on the 12th overall pick in a three-way trade that would've sent Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The Patriots did business with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who for the previous nine years worked closely with Bill Belichick in the Patriots' front office. It must be noted new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels was Belichick's offensive coordinator in New England.

Mort and I have exchanged a few e-mails on the subject. Here is how he broke down the proposed three-way deal:

    This one defies logic, but a source I really trust tells me it's true: The Broncos were willing to offer their own first-round pick (12th overall) to the Patriots for Cassel. Obviously, it was conditional upon Cutler being traded and Tampa Bay was the most likely destination, the Bucs willing to part with their first- and third-round picks.

    But Belichick never embraced a trade with the Broncos, even though it was a head-scratcher on the value part (second-rounder versus a first-rounder). It suggests two or three speculative thoughts:

       1. Belichick has always valued second-round picks (he now has three) and didn't want to be stuck at No. 12 financially for whatever reason;
       2. Belichick had an agreement with Pioli all along and wouldn't break his word;
       3. Belichick isn't about to help another former assistant.

    The Broncos sensed resistance all along, which is why they held the Bucs, Lions, Vikings, etc., at arm's length and allows McDaniels his plausible deniability on trading Cutler (and logic supports his denial).

    However, despite intense efforts to keep this run at Cassel under wraps, enough damage has been done that Cutler may now be on the block.

    The Broncos/Cutler aspect of the trade was reported by the Boston Globe. A Patriots' leak? Why? To mess with McDaniels?

Mort is correct. The information is astounding.

Several citizens of Patriot Nation have written into my AFC East mailbag and left notes in the comments section that Belichick didn't want a first-round pick for Cassel, that a second-rounder is more financially palatable.

Ridiculous, I say. The Patriots had the No. 10 pick last year and were highly successful with it, selecting defensive rookie of the year Jerod Mayo, a franchise player who could anchor their defense for the next decade.

The No. 12 pick is a commodity. The Patriots might've traded it for additional picks, dangling it on draft day to a team that has the hots for, say, quarterback Mark Sanchez, and doesn't want him to get away.

Mort left me with one last thought:

    It is also interesting that Pioli made the trade without doing a deal with Cassel. This puts a lot of leverage on Cassel's side going forward. Then again, Pioli probably sensed Cassel would have preferred McDaniels and the Broncos for all the obvious reasons, which may have influenced negotiations in Cassel's favor anyway. AFC West rivalry revived here.

That's a lot to think about.



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March 02, 2009, 12:33:42 PM
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don't wanna read it but it def. seems like a sweetheart deal to me.

kinda like alot of the Royals Braves deals after Moore came to KC.. :kugayfight:

March 02, 2009, 01:40:35 PM
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Belichick is such a turd...unless he's on your side...then he's a franking godsend.

March 02, 2009, 04:16:43 PM
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I read the article by Jay Mariotti earlier and I think he makes a ridiculous claim that there is something illegal going on and that the commish needs to step in and check out whats going on between KC and NE... wanted to puke while I was readin the article.

March 02, 2009, 04:21:44 PM
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I read the article by Jay Mariotti earlier and I think he makes a ridiculous claim that there is something illegal going on and that the commish needs to step in and check out whats going on between KC and NE... wanted to puke while I was readin the article.

Mariotti and ridiculous go hand in hand
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March 02, 2009, 04:26:04 PM
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Just watched Mariotti spew the same crap on Around the Horn.  The other 3 laughed at him.

March 02, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
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March 02, 2009, 04:33:54 PM
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?&articleid=1155427&format=&page=1&listingType=sco#articleFull

Ron Borges of the Boston Herald seems to think that we got bamboozled

:ohno:

I am going to laugh when people are proven wrong with all of this Scott Mitchell comparisons.

March 02, 2009, 05:05:12 PM
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don't wanna read it but it def. seems like a sweetheart deal to me.

kinda like alot of the Royals Braves deals after Moore came to KC.. :kugayfight:
Ya that TPJ trade did wonders for the Royals. :jerkoff:





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March 02, 2009, 05:38:19 PM
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don't wanna read it but it def. seems like a sweetheart deal to me.

kinda like alot of the Royals Braves deals after Moore came to KC.. :kugayfight:
Ya that TPJ trade did wonders for the Royals. :jerkoff:

yup and Kyle Davies etc.

gonna pan out big just like Cassel and Vragina

March 02, 2009, 06:06:51 PM
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don't wanna read it but it def. seems like a sweetheart deal to me.

kinda like alot of the Royals Braves deals after Moore came to KC.. :kugayfight:
Ya that TPJ trade did wonders for the Royals. :jerkoff:

yup and Kyle Davies etc.

gonna pan out big just like Cassel and Vragina
LOL what a dork.





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March 02, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
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Michael Smith was saying earlier that the 12th pick may not have ever been offered to NE, only part of the 3 team trade, in which NE ends up getting 2nd rounder anyway
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March 02, 2009, 10:22:50 PM
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    Wait...what?
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?&articleid=1155427&format=&page=1&listingType=sco#articleFull

Ron Borges of the Boston Herald seems to think that we got bamboozled

:ohno:

Ron Borges' angle is that he thinks Pioli was Belichek's lap-dog.  He was the only person interviewed on 810 while the Chiefs' GM search was going on who said that the Chiefs would be dumb to hire Pioli.  Ultimately, he may be right, but it's helpful to know that his official position is that Pioli is a stooge when considering what he has to say about Cassel.

His approach doesn't explain why Belichek would turn down the Broncos' deal for the Chiefs' offer.  If Pioli is really as dumb as Borges thinks, then why would Belichek pass up an opportunity for a 1st round pick to pawn off a dud on a team that was much closer to playoff contention than the Chiefs were last year?