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[Leyton]

pretty sure if you watched college bball final last night you woulda heard it straight from the horses mouth (gottleib) that he sat in with a few of the selection committee members about how they go about the selection process, evaluating teams, etc...  

In this scenario, wouldn't Gottlieb be more like a fly on rotting food sediment near the horse's mouth rather than the horse's mouth itself?  Maybe I misunderstood - is he a member of the selection committee?

[MOKSUAZ]

pretty sure if you watched college bball final last night you woulda heard it straight from the horses mouth (gottleib) that he sat in with a few of the selection committee members about how they go about the selection process, evaluating teams, etc...  

In this scenario, wouldn't Gottlieb be more like a fly on rotting food sediment near the horse's mouth rather than the horse's mouth itself?  Maybe I misunderstood - is he a member of the selection committee?

maybe re-read my post and it just might become clear bro

[Bullfn33]

Okie lite and UT both have much better RPIs.  It's that simple.

UT deserves in, Okie State..not so much. They've done a nice job of manipulating the RPI.

OSU had this crazy thing called an "out of conference" schedule worth a damn. Check it out sometime F^3.

wow. that's cute. who did they beat, you dumbfrank?

go pray ksu goes to the NIT somewhere.

They got blasted by 3 decent teams, fats (MSU, UW-Seattle, and Gonzaga).  That should count for something.

no it shouldn't.  it should only count if they win.  so we could have lined up and played uconn, marquette, and Louisville....lost...and now we're a "good" team?

I came to this realization today..pretty much all there is to it. It's the magic formula.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=38078.msg516026#msg516026

[Cat Maniac]

Sports media are stupid.  All they do is parrot what's been spoon-fed to them by the respective school sports information departments.

UNC pimps Hansblow behind-the-scenes to all their ESPN buddies, and lo and behold, every ESPN anchorman talks up how Hansblow is the best player in the country on the air...over and over and over again.

UT has one of the best marketing/PR based athletic departments in the country.  Dare I say KSU's is one of the worst/most small-time?  We don't play "the game".  And it kills us every year.

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.  Don't you think we've got a good selling line that even the dunderheads at ESPN can understand for why we should get in the tourney?

But the problem lies with us and how we market ourselves.  It's pathetic.

[mcmwcat]

You people are aware that "baracketology" and "bubble watch" are from ESPN and not the actual selection committee? It's also worth noting that Lunardi's bracket amazingly has some drastic shifts about 30-45 minutes before the selections are announced.

 

where do you think the espn folk get their info from?  even gottleib shed some light on the process last night and no where has KSU been mentioned since the ukjr loss.  pretty much all tourney hopes (IMO) hinged on that game.  if we beat MU wednesday i could see us getting back into the tourney talks, but we'll still have to beat NU and OSU.  some huge games over the next week and a half.

why would there be talk about a 6-5 conf team w/ no notable non con wins on their schedule?  however, a win over mizzou or osu puts us right back in the discussion.

[fatty fat fat]

Sports media are stupid.  All they do is parrot what's been spoon-fed to them by the respective school sports information departments.

UNC pimps Hansblow behind-the-scenes to all their ESPN buddies, and lo and behold, every ESPN anchorman talks up how Hansblow is the best player in the country on the air...over and over and over again.

UT has one of the best marketing/PR based athletic departments in the country.  Dare I say KSU's is one of the worst/most small-time?  We don't play "the game".  And it kills us every year.

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.  Don't you think we've got a good selling line that even the dunderheads at ESPN can understand for why we should get in the tourney?

But the problem lies with us and how we market ourselves.  It's pathetic.

plz post more. JFC.

[ksu_FAN]

Lot of folks setting themselves up for disappointment.  

If we don't win in Columbia, I'd say it will take playing on Sunday (not necessarily winning) in OKC to get in, even with a win vs OSU.  Sure, the selection committee always applies criteria inconsistently, but its part of the game.  Our crappy OOC SOS and not beating the teams we should've sticks out a bunch and it won't go unnoticed.  The loss at home to Baylor is also coming back to bite us.  Losses to OU, ku twice, and NU in Lincoln (and MU in Columbia) are probably forgivable.  Unfortunatley losses to Iowa and Oregon are not along with the aformentioned Baylor loss.  Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.  We will have a strong road record (especially with a win in Stillwater) and a very good record in our last 12 games, but I don't think it will be enough to get us in without one more great win (Saturday in OKC) to add to our resume.

[fatty fat fat]

Lot of folks setting themselves up for disappointment.  

If we don't win in Columbia, I'd say it will take playing on Sunday (not necessarily winning) in OKC to get in, even with a win vs OSU.  Sure, the selection committee always applies criteria inconsistently, but its part of the game.  Our crappy OOC SOS and not beating the teams we should've sticks out a bunch and it won't go unnoticed.  The loss at home to Baylor is also coming back to bite us.  Losses to OU, ku twice, and NU in Lincoln (and MU in Columbia) are probably forgivable.  Unfortunatley losses to Iowa and Oregon are not along with the aformentioned Baylor loss.  Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.  We will have a strong road record (especially with a win in Stillwater) and a very good record in our last 12 games, but I don't think it will be enough to get us in without one more great win (Saturday in OKC) to add to our resume.

good f*cking lord. STFU already. The tournament doesn't even go to sunday this year. Are you just f*cking with me or something? If we beat OSU and go 10-6, we are in. You act like other bubble teams have these great resumes..lol, they are filled w/holes.

[ksu_FAN]

Lot of folks setting themselves up for disappointment.  

If we don't win in Columbia, I'd say it will take playing on Sunday (not necessarily winning) in OKC to get in, even with a win vs OSU.  Sure, the selection committee always applies criteria inconsistently, but its part of the game.  Our crappy OOC SOS and not beating the teams we should've sticks out a bunch and it won't go unnoticed.  The loss at home to Baylor is also coming back to bite us.  Losses to OU, ku twice, and NU in Lincoln (and MU in Columbia) are probably forgivable.  Unfortunatley losses to Iowa and Oregon are not along with the aformentioned Baylor loss.  Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.  We will have a strong road record (especially with a win in Stillwater) and a very good record in our last 12 games, but I don't think it will be enough to get us in without one more great win (Saturday in OKC) to add to our resume.

good f*cking lord. STFU already. The tournament doesn't even go to sunday this year. Are you just f*cking with me or something? If we beat OSU and go 10-6, we are in. You act like other bubble teams have these great resumes..lol, they are filled w/holes.

fatty, I beg you, don't do this to yourself.  Don't.

[michigancat]

Lot of folks setting themselves up for disappointment.  

If we don't win in Columbia, I'd say it will take playing on Sunday (not necessarily winning) in OKC to get in, even with a win vs OSU.  Sure, the selection committee always applies criteria inconsistently, but its part of the game.  Our crappy OOC SOS and not beating the teams we should've sticks out a bunch and it won't go unnoticed.  The loss at home to Baylor is also coming back to bite us.  Losses to OU, ku twice, and NU in Lincoln (and MU in Columbia) are probably forgivable.  Unfortunatley losses to Iowa and Oregon are not along with the aformentioned Baylor loss.  Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.  We will have a strong road record (especially with a win in Stillwater) and a very good record in our last 12 games, but I don't think it will be enough to get us in without one more great win (Saturday in OKC) to add to our resume.

An easier (and funner) way to set prepare yourself for disappointment is the "one game at a time" approach.  Just predict an effing loss every game, and then be thrilled when they win.

[fatty fat fat]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

[michigancat]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

why?  We didn't deserve a bid in 07.  And we're going 8-8, so kiss that 10-6 dream good bye.

[fatty fat fat]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

why?  We didn't deserve a bid in 07.  And we're going 8-8, so kiss that 10-6 dream good bye.

All that's missing is the clever NIT reference, ksufanstard.

[1albatross]

Everyone needs to just relax and let the next 2 and a half weeks play out.  

Beating MU is essential for our tourney chances.  If we can't beat MU, we will need to win the next 3 and make the finals of the B12 tourney (pretty much what fan said).  If we only beat NU and CU, the only way we will get in is winning the B12 tourney.

Don't over-react to everything the "experts" say.  The facts are that Texas has several good wins in their ooc, and we don't...and we lost to the 3 BCS scools we played ooc and 2 of them ended up being terrible.

Let's just win Wednesday and then we can start to complain when people start to say MU apparently isn't very good.

[michigancat]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

why?  We didn't deserve a bid in 07.  And we're going 8-8, so kiss that 10-6 dream good bye.

All that's missing is the clever NIT reference, ksufanstard.

I just think the absolutes get old.  There are no absolutes.

[ksu_FAN]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

Never said that wasn't true and it would really suck.  We were burned in 07 and am prepping for the same burn again.

Win out at home and we'll have matched our Big 12 win total from the previous 7 seasons.  

[fatty fat fat]

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.

this makes me ill. 30 big 12 wins...one little dinky 11 seed.

why?  We didn't deserve a bid in 07.  And we're going 8-8, so kiss that 10-6 dream good bye.

All that's missing is the clever NIT reference, ksufanstard.

I just think the absolutes get old.  There are no absolutes.

so is the blatant disregard of the current bracket projections. people whine about ksu being disrespected, well...we are disrespecting our own team. Why should I expect outsiders to respect us?

JFC!

[1albatross]

Win out at home and we'll have matched our Big 12 win total from the previous 7 seasons.  

WOW!  How pathetic were we.  Blecth!

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Sports media are stupid.  All they do is parrot what's been spoon-fed to them by the respective school sports information departments.

UNC pimps Hansblow behind-the-scenes to all their ESPN buddies, and lo and behold, every ESPN anchorman talks up how Hansblow is the best player in the country on the air...over and over and over again.

UT has one of the best marketing/PR based athletic departments in the country.  Dare I say KSU's is one of the worst/most small-time?  We don't play "the game".  And it kills us every year.

If KSU beats Okie State and wins out at home, we'll be 10-6 for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  We'll be in the Top 4 or better for the third consecutive year in the Big 12.  But that only warrants one trip to the NCAA--as an 11 seed?  We've become one of the most consistently good (but not great) teams in the conference, and get treated as an also-ran as if we were CU or Iowa State.  Don't you think we've got a good selling line that even the dunderheads at ESPN can understand for why we should get in the tourney?

But the problem lies with us and how we market ourselves. It's pathetic.

The problem lies with us and how we sucked out loud for the first half of the season.  Until 5 games into the Big 12 schedule we lost to crapty teams (Oregon has 20 losses!) and didn't beat anyone good (except Cleveland State).  That's all there is to it.

[michigancat]

so is the blatant disregard of the current bracket projections. people whine about ksu being disrespected, well...we are disrespecting our own team. Why should I expect outsiders to respect us?

JFC!

Who the f*ck is disrespecting us?  you're just being stupid.  It's not about marketing or any conspiracy bullsh*t.  shutup.

[1albatross]

The problem lies with us and how we sucked out loud for the first half of the season.  Until 5 games into the Big 12 schedule we lost to crapty teams (Oregon has 20 losses!) and didn't beat anyone good (except Cleveland State).  That's all there is to it.

True and hanging your NCAA tourney hat on a win against Cleveland State doesn't exactly scream  "Let me in".

[fatty fat fat]

so is the blatant disregard of the current bracket projections. people whine about ksu being disrespected, well...we are disrespecting our own team. Why should I expect outsiders to respect us?

JFC!

Who the f*ck is disrespecting us?  you're just being stupid.  It's not about marketing or any conspiracy bullsh*t.  shutup.

1)Don't tell me to shutup!!!!

2)The idiots here that act like we need to f*cking win out to make the tournament. We are a fringe #12 seed now, just imagine how we'll look at 10-6 w/wins over nebraska and oklahoma state. our chances will be at 80% or so, and we won't need to win that 4/5 game.

[michigancat]

so is the blatant disregard of the current bracket projections. people whine about ksu being disrespected, well...we are disrespecting our own team. Why should I expect outsiders to respect us?

JFC!

Who the f*ck is disrespecting us?  you're just being stupid.  It's not about marketing or any conspiracy bullsh*t.  shutup.

1)Don't tell me to shutup!!!!

2)The idiots here that act like we need to f*cking win out to make the tournament. We are a fringe #12 seed now, just imagine how we'll look at 10-6 w/wins over nebraska and oklahoma state. our chances will be at 80% or so, and we won't need to win that 4/5 game.

Oh, I agree. 

[sys]

Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.

i don't think so fan.  if anything, it will be the opposite, with the ability to point to 4 games against rpi top 20 (top 10?) teams against ku and mu.

maybe will need mu to finish strong against ut and ou for that to happen.

[sys]

for trips:


10% chance ksu wins @ mu - in
10% chance ksu loses @ mu and wins the other 3 + 1st rounder - in
10% chance ksu loses @ mu and wins the other 3 + loses 1st rounder - 50% chance in

so, ca 25% ksu goes to the tourney.   that's &@#%ing amazing w. this team.

[ksu_FAN]

Also, while the unbalanced schedule discussion won't carry as much weight as it did in 07, it still will a little b/c on paper the North has 2 dreadful teams as opposed to just 1 for the south.

i don't think so fan.  if anything, it will be the opposite, with the ability to point to 4 games against rpi top 20 (top 10?) teams against ku and mu.

maybe will need mu to finish strong against ut and ou for that to happen.

True.  I probably downplay the MU win b/c I still haven't matched my perception with where they actually are right now.  Of course they have a tough schedule from here on out and could fall back to just a Top 25 team before the end of the year. 

[1albatross]

for trips:


10% chance ksu wins @ mu - in
10% chance ksu loses @ mu and wins the other 3 + 1st rounder - in
10% chance ksu loses @ mu and wins the other 3 + loses 1st rounder - 50% chance in

so, ca 25% ksu goes to the tourney.   that's franking amazing w. this team.

Not bad, but I feel we have a better than 10% chance of beating MU, of course I could still see us losing to OSU.

I do agree with the second point though, but would feel a lot safer if we won 2.

As far as your 3rd point goes, I would probably drop that down to 25% chance of getting in.

[114hickory]

Who the f*ck is disrespecting us?  you're just being stupid.  It's not about marketing or any conspiracy bullsh*t.  shutup.

Some "bubble" teams need to prove they belong in the tournament every year.  Some need to prove they don't.  K-State is one of the former.  Texas is one of the latter.  It may not necessarily be marketing but there is some relationship to the school's recent history regarding the tournament, I believe.  K-State is still seen by many people to be new to the game.  Therefore, there is no benefit of the doubt when we're even close to the "bubble" on either side. 

What bothers me about the process is that it seems so arbitrary every year with the same criteria being used different ways from one year to the next or from one team to the next.  The selection committee is the BCS Championship of basketball when it comes to the "bubble."

[michigancat]

Who the f*ck is disrespecting us?  you're just being stupid.  It's not about marketing or any conspiracy bullsh*t.  shutup.

Some "bubble" teams need to prove they belong in the tournament every year.  Some need to prove they don't.  K-State is one of the former.  Texas is one of the latter.  It may not necessarily be marketing but there is some relationship to the school's recent history regarding the tournament, I believe.  K-State is still seen by many people to be new to the game.  Therefore, there is no benefit of the doubt when we're even close to the "bubble" on either side. 

Oh, bullsh*t.  Texas isn't a bubble team this year, and they really haven't been since Rick Barnes got there.  You can't compare our resume to UT's...they destroy us w/ all their quality wins and absence of bad losses.

What bothers me about the process is that it seems so arbitrary every year with the same criteria being used different ways from one year to the next or from one team to the next.  The selection committee is the BCS Championship of basketball when it comes to the "bubble."

I agree that it is too arbitrary.  That is nothing like the BCS, though.  The BCS tells you exactly what makes up their ranking formula before the season.  NCAA selection is nothing like that.

[1albatross]

My biggest problem with the whole selection process is letting teams in with sub-500 conference records.

If you can't win half of your conference games, you don't deserve to be in the big tournament.

Martin also said something on his show last night that I hadn't thought of.

He said that the B12 has more ooc wins (not sure if he said quality wins) than every conference with the exception of the Big East this year and they have 4 more teams to get those wins.