Updated Big 12 COTY as of 3.2 (this is a pole)

[pissclams]

Started this so as to not hijack _fan's RSCI thread.

My pick is Masta Seff.

[PCR]

Nice pole.   

[pissclams]

that's fine if you want to felatiate Anderson, but you've got to ask yourself who has the better team.  I really don't think MU is very good, and ku, on a good night, has the ability to take down OU.

[TAFNA Dude]

easy for me.  going off facts and not opinions: anderson has 1(one) top 100 rsci player and is in the top 10 nationally.

[michigancat]

easy for me.  going off facts and not opinions: anderson has 1(one) top 100 rsci player and is in the top 10 nationally.

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[KCcat28]

Anderson has turned that program around... I give him the slight nod over Self and Capel in 3rd Martin 4th unless K-State makes the tournament then I would jump him up to the top 2, maybe even 1.

[ksu_FAN]

Took down mine; I went ahead and rated 1 through 12 roughly based on where they are compared to preseason expectations.

Anderson
Self
Capel
Sadler
Martin
Ford
Turgeon
McDermott
Knight
Bz
Barnes
Drew

[TAFNA Dude]

What about Turgeon?

[michigancat]

Anderson has turned that program around...

Whoa, back the f*ck up, kemosabe.  He's having a nice season, but loses his two (three?) best players and hasn't recruited dick to replace them.

[catdude33]

I voted for Frank Martin because he is the coach for my favorite team; KSU.

[Skycat]

Barnes but no Sadler?   

[PCR]

I vote for massa seff.  He doesn't have the best player in the country (like Capel) and let's face it KSU's start was awful.  MU has a decent record, but doesn't strike me as a team thats "going places."  

[steve dave]

6-11 basically interchangeable.  

Anderson
Capel
Self
Martin
Sadler
Ford
McDermott
Turgeon
Knight
Bz
Drew
Barnes

[ksu_FAN]

Anderson has turned that program around...

Whoa, back the f*ck up, kemosabe.  He's having a nice season, but loses his two (three?) best players and hasn't recruited dick to replace them.

Top 3 scores, top 2 rebounders, best 3 point shooter.  MU will take a hit next year and Anderson isn't bringing in Top 100 talent by any means.

[KCcat28]

Anderson has turned that program around...

Whoa, back the f*ck up, kemosabe.  He's having a nice season, but loses his two (three?) best players and hasn't recruited dick to replace them.

Sorry I didn't mean to say that Mizzou is a team to beat for several years to come I am just saying he has done a lot better than I think everyone thought he would do and he will be around in Mizzou for awhile now with this year he has had...

[ksu_FAN]

6-11 basically interchangeable.  

Anderson
Capel
Self
Martin
Sadler
Ford
McDermott
Turgeon
Knight
Bz
Drew
Barnes

Pretty much.  I give Barnes the nod over Drew b/c Barnes arguably lost more talent from last year's team.  McDermott, Knight, and Bz pretty much didn't have anywhere to go besides up, so hard to compare them really to Ford/Turgeon until the season is done.   Ford Turgeon at least look to have postseason teams.  I suppose McDermott could be below Knight/Bz b/c he does at least have an NBA talent on his roster.

[pissclams]

easy for me.  going off facts and not opinions: anderson has 1(one) top 100 rsci player and is in the top 10 nationally.

do you not know the difference between facts and opinions?   

[pissclams]

Question for you Andersonites- which team will go further in the B12 tourney? Which will go further in the NCAA's? Should the answers of either question influence your vote?

[TAFNA Dude]

easy for me.  going off facts and not opinions: anderson has 1(one) top 100 rsci player and is in the top 10 nationally.

do you not know the difference between facts and opinions?   

what are you getting at?  that the rsci and AP rankings are opinions?

if so, then sure.  i'm going off opinion.

Question for you Andersonites- which team will go further in the B12 tourney? Which will go further in the NCAA's? Should the answers of either question influence your vote?

OU, then ku, then MU.

It doesn't influence my vote because that's what I think will happen in the future, while my vote for COY right now is based on what has already happened.

at the end of conference play we could be having a completely different discussion.  if mizzou finishes 3rd or below in big xii standings, then i'd give the nod to the coach of the team that wins the conference (either self or capel.)

but right now i'll say anderson has been the most impressive.  doing very well(big xii standings, top 10 ap) with mostly crap talent(per rsci.)

[ksu_FAN]

Question for you Andersonites- which team will go further in the B12 tourney? Which will go further in the NCAA's? Should the answers of either question influence your vote?

Big 12 COTY as of 2.17 (this is a pole)

Dude.  Its your thread and you said "as of 2.17".  So as of "2.17", I'd say Anderson has done a better job IMO, partically b/c Tigers beat Hawks.  By 4.17 or whatever the order could change.

[steve dave]

Anderson
Self
Capel
Sadler
Martin
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No name sucky coaches
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Barnes
Drew

Good one

[Lamesauce]

I think I'll have to go w/ Capel. He has the national player of the year in Blake Griffin. But that team does nothing but win. I have watched a number of their games. Haven't been too impressed by them at times, but dammit, they keep winning. That's what good coaches do. Win games. I guess he's just good enough of a coach for them not to lose games.

[pissclams]

Big 12 COTY as of 2.17 (this is a pole)

Dude.  Its your thread and you said "as of 2.17".  So as of "2.17", I'd say Anderson has done a better job IMO, partically b/c Tigers beat Hawks.  By 4.17 or whatever the order could change.

Ya I can see how that can be confusing.  I'm was trying to weed out the "if Martin wins the next 5" guys from voting for Frank. 

Tough for me to accept that Anderson gets the nod based upon beating ku on his own court.  I'm trying to look at the entire season.  When you look at the entire picture through 2/17 Anderson has the 86th SoS comparted to Seff's 33rd.  As Dax would say, smoke and mirrors.  It seems like a lot of you are giving props to Anderson based upon him having less talent.  The reality is that he's doing less, with less.  Winning any amount of games w/ the 86th ranked SoS shouldn't be rewarded with COTY imo.

[yosh]

Anderson
Self
Capel
Sadler
Martin
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No name sucky coaches
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Barnes
Drew

Good one

Thanks, but I deleted it because I couldn't separate the recruiting work done by each respective coach.  Brings Anderson and Sadler back to the pack and elevates Drew and Barnes up.  With that in mind:

Self
Capel
Martin
Barnes
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Everyone else

[pissclams]

easy for me.  going off facts and not opinions: anderson has 1(one) top 100 rsci player and is in the top 10 nationally.

do you not know the difference between facts and opinions?   

what are you getting at?  that the rsci and AP rankings are opinions?

if so, then sure.  i'm going off opinion.

yes, indeed they are.

but right now i'll say anderson has been the most impressive.  doing very well(big xii standings, top 10 ap) with mostly crap talent(per rsci.)

why ignore that he's done very well against crap talent?

[Rick Daris]

Question for you Andersonites- which team will go further in the B12 tourney? Which will go further in the NCAA's? Should the answers of either question influence your vote?

Wait...are we voting for "coach of the year" or "coach who will go further in the b12 tourney"

[The42Yardstick]

Gonna have to go with Capel. Having one loss at this point, especially with some of the teams they played in their OOC and a better-than-normal Big 12 North, is extremely impressive.

[pissclams]

Question for you Andersonites- which team will go further in the B12 tourney? Which will go further in the NCAA's? Should the answers of either question influence your vote?

Wait...are we voting for "coach of the year" or "coach who will go further in the b12 tourney"

if past results are any indicator, the answer is both

[TAFNA Dude]

but right now i'll say anderson has been the most impressive.  doing very well(big xii standings, top 10 ap) with mostly crap talent(per rsci.)

why ignore that he's done very well against crap talent?

That might be a good argument if you're talking about his noncon, but in conference he's beaten ku (8 top 100 RSCI players) , NU (1), ISU twice(1), UT(9), Baylor(6), OSU(4).  All of those teams have equal or better talent(if you believe rsci.)

[steve dave]

If I could change my vote I would go back and vote for Barnes.  Is upcoming recruiting classes make up for this throw away season.