kansas vs darwin

[Chingon]

 

The Big Bang was not an "explosion".  Scientific theories are not guesses and are never proven.   Science is not in the game of proving or disproving the existence of God (an impossible task).  Evolution is not abiogenesis. 
The temperature of the microwave background radiation is 2 Kelvin.

[Chingon]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.

I don't have to prove anything.  You don't have to believe.  If I saw some actual evidence of evolution, that would go along in proving that whole fantasy.

If you are completely honest, and really want to learn something about evolution and modern biology, start here:
CLICK ME.  I am again taking you at face value that you are willing to listen to evidence.

[cyclist]

Positive proof of global warning or positive proof of evolution ?

[steve dave]

chingon is intimidatingly smart d00ds.  I've witnessed it in meatworld 

[leroylulu]

Chingon, bringin a little rationality to the discussion.  Very nice sir.  To further your point a little bit.  Religion and Science get a very wrong and unfair wrap that they are antagonistic, and one has to choose one camp or the other.  Not true.  The big bang theory was actually developed by a Catholic Priest.  Many religious types I know, used to be very "scientific in thought" and have come to realize the need for a higher power once they realized Science could not possibly explain the universe.  

Science can only evaluate that which is categorizable, (ie, physical, tangible, etc.)  God is not "A BEING" in the universe.  He is the creator of existence, our "being" flows from his created hand.  Creation was not an event that happened at a precise point in the history of time, creation is still going on.  Big Bang and creation are just different terms for the same thing.  

Science can describe, learn, and categorize things in the world, but only the Divine can ground things to their deepest and most basic level.  Religion and Science are not competing on the same playing field.  The two are separate disciplines.  The only time the two converge is if there is an ethical reason, and science tries to manipulate the Divine which is always a bad idea.    

[Chingon]

Chingon, bringin a little rationality to the discussion.  Very nice sir.  To further your point a little bit.  Religion and Science get a very wrong and unfair wrap that they are antagonistic, and one has to choose one camp or the other.  Not true.  The big bang theory was actually developed by a Catholic Priest.  Many religious types I know, used to be very "scientific in thought" and have come to realize the need for a higher power once they realized Science could not possibly explain the universe.  

Science can only evaluate that which is categorizable, (ie, physical, tangible, etc.)  God is not "A BEING" in the universe.  He is the creator of existence, our "being" flows from his created hand.  Creation was not an event that happened at a precise point in the history of time, creation is still going on.  Big Bang and creation are just different terms for the same thing.  

Science can describe, learn, and categorize things in the world, but only the Divine can ground things to their deepest and most basic level.  Religion and Science are not competing on the same playing field.  The two are separate disciplines.  The only time the two converge is if there is an ethical reason, and science tries to manipulate the Divine which is always a bad idea.    

I mostly agree up to this point.  Religion has meddled in science since the beginning.  You even mention one example.

[PCR]

Religion is fine for people who are smart enough to tell the difference between myth and science.  The problem is that a vast vast majority of people think their religion is a valid way to explain the universe, and that no further investigation is necessary. 

[steve dave]

The problem is that a vast vast majority of people think their religion is a valid way to explain the universe, and that no further investigation is necessary. 

That's a very interesting take.

[leroylulu]

True, good point Chingon.  I respectfully retract that last statement. Typin away, didnt put a whole lot of thought into itl

[sys]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

[Chingon]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

its true!

Chingon = 

[mjrod]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

No one cares about your opinion.  That's really all that needs to be said.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore. 

There isn't evidence to support MACRO-evolution?  The actual transition from different spieces?  Where are the missing links?  Its to coincidental that there aren't more connecting dots.
Also, I have yet to see an evidence supported theory for the beginning of it all.  Chingon, I saw the word 'Probability' a lot on that link, that doesn't do a whole lot for me.  They gave a lot scientific explanations for why there isn't evidence, but in the end I see it requiring the leap of faith.

Show me some evidence, not explanations and not probabilities, evidence. 

[steve dave]

'sigh'

[McGrowlTowelZac]

'sigh'

dood, i'm asking for evidence. why is that hard?  seriously, show me some real, hardcore evidence. i'm not trying to be a jerk about this, i would love to see it.  maybe i missed something in chingon's link.  i will go back and check again.

didn't realize i was asking for so much

[jmlynch1]

1. Jump off your deck

2. Land on your Ass

3. Feel the pain in your tailbone

4. Look for you tail

[sys]

okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore. 

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.

[steve dave]

lol lynch and sys

[McGrowlTowelZac]

okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore. 

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.

its all good. we're all taking a leap of faith, good luck to all.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

"Science is the tool of the Western mind and with it more doors can be opened than with bare hands. It is part and parcel of our knowledge and obscures our insight only when it holds that the understanding given by it is the only kind there is."
-Carl Jung

[Kat Kid]

Hawking + Bertrand Russel = everyone stfu

[Oklahoma_Cat]

mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.

I'm not mexican, bra.  can't bunch us up like plantains.

[Rick Daris]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.

nice summary sys, but all the above has been widely known for a long time. not exactly breaking news here. 

[krazykat]

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

i like this theory, sign me up.

BTW keystone light evolved from coors light.

[dohminator]

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If Pascal's wager is the reason for you believing in God and going to church, you're going to hell anyway.  Don't you think God would see through your motive of believing in him/her/it only to cover your bases?  crap, if God fell for this, he/she/it wouldn't be very omniscient.  Actually a god that fell for this crap would be pretty damn stupid.  Do you think God is stupid? 

What if you bet on the wrong religion?  It's possible that the muslims were right.  Maybe the mormons have it all figured out.  You'd better start following all the religions to be sure because you don't want to mess up your chances at an afterlife. 

In conclusion, the use of pascal's wager makes you look bad. 

[Thin Blue Line]

thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

Fyp.

[Thin Blue Line]

okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore. 

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.

No, he hates me, mgtz. But, that's ok. Sys is kinda like the awkwardly slow younger cousin that you can't help but head rub. Kinda gives you the creeps, but you know it's the right thing to do.

[steve dave]

I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

[Thin Blue Line]

I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

That's what ladders (and tasers) are for. 

[jmlynch1]

I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

That's what ladders (and tasers) are for. 

Spoken like a true "protect" and to "server."